Permajutting results

[Mastermind]

I started permajutting by impulsive-compulsive habit way back in 2018 to "fix" my disgusting overbite/short face syndrome (SFS) truecel condition.
After almost 5 years of forcefully sticking my mandible forward, I can report nothing but success.

• My mandible has been naturally "glued" forward.
• My relaxed resting pose is now unrecessed, I even keep it subconsciously while sleeping.
• Improved my overall posture, I no longer push my neck forward like I used to do as a child.
• Never experienced TMD/TJDs except maybe two weeks since I started doing this.
• Finally, I gained 2 PSL points by doing this alone.

Be aware I have SFS meaning my lower and upper maxilla are NOT recessed
You can tell you suffer from this condition if jutting your jaw forward doesn't give you prognathism but rather makes you look normal
Read more on my old thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-short-face-syndrome-sfs-bundle.263197/

 

[Deleted member 23804]

How old are you?

 

[Mastermind]

How old are you?

21

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I experienced the same but not that much progress, it made my profile more normal because my ramus lowered from the pressure on masseters and on tilting the teeth upward a bit, can u mind showing me an before and after?

 

[Deleted member 28904]

I started permajutting by impulsive-compulsive habit way back in 2018 to "fix" my disgusting overbite/short face syndrome (SFS) truecel condition.
After almost 5 years of forcefully sticking my mandible forward, I can report nothing but success.

• My mandible has been naturally "glued" forward.
• My relaxed resting pose is now unrecessed, I even keep it subconsciously while sleeping.
• Improved my overall posture, I no longer push my neck forward like I used to do as a child.
• Never experienced TMD/TJDs except maybe two weeks since I started doing this.
• Finally, I gained 2 PSL points by doing this alone.

Be aware I have SFS meaning my lower and upper maxilla are NOT recessed
You can tell you suffer from this condition if jutting your jaw forward doesn't give you prognathism but rather makes you look normal
Read more on my old thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-short-face-syndrome-sfs-bundle.263197/

Was only your lower jaw recessed or both upper and under?

 

[Mastermind]

Was only your lower jaw recessed or both upper and under?

SFS is lower jaw only by definition

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I’m getting vertical genio to fix my sfs

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Also if u are sfscel u need cw rotation, ur head probably looks like a cube like mine

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Also if u are sfscel u need cw rotation, ur head probably looks like a cube like mine

Not always the case, sometimes it’s just your lower jaw that’s fucked.

 

[Mastermind]

Also if u are sfscel u need cw rotation, ur head probably looks like a cube like mine

I'm lucky on that one, my gonial when jutting is a perfect 120°

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Not always the case, sometimes it’s just your lower jaw that’s fucked.

i actually have sfs because i chewed alot and it made my back teeth on the mandible intrude on the alveolar, currently fixing it with braces and elastics (extrusion of the molars not retractive)
what do u think?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

The difference between my jutting-frauded face and my face with teeth together is so fucking disgusting. Atleast SFS is relatively easy to fix with surgery living with it though is so fucking brutal

 

[Mastermind]

The difference between my jutting-frauded face and my face with teeth together is so fucking disgusting. Atleast SFS is relatively easy to fix with surgery living with it though is so fucking brutal

Same
Reason why I started permajutting
At some point, maybe around 2 years after doing it compulsively every single day, my mandible fixed itself

 

[Deleted member 20631]

i actually have sfs because i chewed alot and it made my back teeth on the mandible intrude on the alveolar, currently fixing it with braces and elastics (extrusion of the molars not retractive)
what do u think?

I’m not well-versed on using orthodontics to fix it but it should help. I’m pretty sure I suffer from the same shit since I used to grind in my sleep and I had a bad habit of biting down on my teeth

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I'm lucky on that one, my gonial when jutting is a perfect 120°

We’re like the polar opposite of people with downward grown jaws, I’m getting jaw surgery with jaw widening and vertical genio and my gonial angle is somehow going to end up even lower JFL.

Don’t think it’s bad though in my case since my face needs masculinization.

 

[ripcordgod1]

no it just means u have a misaligned bite this doesn't do shit

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I’m not well-versed on using orthodontics to fix it but it should help. I’m pretty sure I suffer from the same shit since I used to grind in my sleep and I had a bad habit of biting down on my teeth

I suffer the same when i wake up i feel my teeth so sore because i clench in sleep, it gave me hope the orthodontics method because I have a fkin deep curve of spee like this

some people actually have good bites but they have skeletally deep bite which is harder to treat because either ur maxilla is to ccw rotated or you have a small mandible
also the same when i bite my normal bite it doesn t feel good i get some sore in my TMJ it feels not good but when i jut i releave the pressure and i look better

 

[ripcordgod1]

99% of ppl here have weak chins and set back mandibles from thumbsucking as toddlers, i am one of them but i fixed my bite though my mandible is slightly recessed still

 

[Deleted member 21863]

Bro are you me?

 

[Constantin Denis]

op:

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

op:
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misto denise)

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I'm lucky on that one, my gonial when jutting is a perfect 120°

yo bro can u measure mine? i can pm u, i think i measured it wrong because i got 115° gonial angle

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I suffer the same when i wake up i feel my teeth so sore because i clench in sleep, it gave me hope the orthodontics method because I have a fkin deep curve of spee like this View attachment 2196377
some people actually have good bites but they have skeletally deep bite which is harder to treat because either ur maxilla is to ccw rotated or you have a small mandible
also the same when i bite my normal bite it doesn t feel good i get some sore in my TMJ it feels not good but when i jut i releave the pressure and i look better

Thanks for sharing this with me, my old dentist wanted to treat this by using bonding on all my molars so they have more height but I’m happy to hear that it can be treated with orthodontics.

yo bro can u measure mine? i can pm u, i think i measured it wrong because i got 115° gonial angle

PM me and I can measure it, a low gonial angle is common for SFS cases so 115 isn’t very surprising

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

How does chewing work?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

@ripcordgod1 nigga why JFL react

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Thanks for sharing this with me, my old dentist wanted to treat this by using bonding on all my molars so they have more height but I’m happy to hear that it can be treated with orthodontics.

These are treating the symptoms not the actual problem, having taller molars indeed it will produce the effect of a taller lower third but not forwardly if u also have an overjet, same with orthodontics if u get ur molars extruded after some time it will intrude back if u dont fix ur night habits(clenching)
I got braces because i had class 2 div 2 where my teeth were inclined like this

but I also wanted to have straight teeth
If I wasn t a poor 18yocel i would ve get surgeries

 

[Deleted member 28904]

SFS is lower jaw only by definition

Do you have any before and after pictures? You can pm if you don't wanna post here.

 

[ripcordgod1]

@ripcordgod1 nigga why JFL react

low gonial angle doesnt cause "SFS" its caused by recessed mandible and chin probably also coupled with recessed maxilla (this is death)

retards would say he has SFS but he's just a chink with brachycephaly, still look good anyways due to harmony
his chin and mandible are well developed

here is a mesocephalic example
this nigga has the lowest gonial angle possible where is his SFS?

stop coping with muh gonial angle, u just have other shit features in addition to ur recessed mandible and chin

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

low gonial angle doesnt cause "SFS" its caused by recessed mandible and chin probably also coupled with recessed maxilla (this is death)

View attachment 2196417
retards would say he has SFS but he's just a chink with brachycephaly, still look good anyways due to harmony
his chin and mandible are well developed

View attachment 2196406

here is a mesocephalic example
this nigga has the lowest gonial angle possible where is his SFS?

stop coping with muh gonial angle, u just have other shit features in addition to ur recessed mandible and chin

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This is true i have a setback mandible but it s long enought also i have some downward growth as my mandible looks fkin ogre(kinda like josh mcgregors but less less wide and not that taller)

 

[Deleted member 20631]

low gonial angle doesnt cause "SFS" its caused by recessed mandible and chin probably also coupled with recessed maxilla (this is death)

View attachment 2196417
retards would say he has SFS but he's just a chink with brachycephaly, still look good anyways due to harmony
his chin and mandible are well developed

View attachment 2196406

here is a mesocephalic example
this nigga has the lowest gonial angle possible where is his SFS?

stop coping with muh gonial angle, u just have other shit features in addition to ur recessed mandible and chin

View attachment 2196402

You misunderstood me, I didn’t mean a low gonial angle cause SFS.
I meant to say that in people with SFS a low gonial angle is common.

And I don’t understand how I’m coping with gonial angle.

 

[BrownEyesWD]

low gonial angle doesnt cause "SFS" its caused by recessed mandible and chin probably also coupled with recessed maxilla (this is death)

View attachment 2196417
retards would say he has SFS but he's just a chink with brachycephaly, still look good anyways due to harmony
his chin and mandible are well developed

View attachment 2196406

here is a mesocephalic example
this nigga has the lowest gonial angle possible where is his SFS?

stop coping with muh gonial angle, u just have other shit features in addition to ur recessed mandible and chin

View attachment 2196402

I’ve got SFS, consulted with several surgeons and they all said my jaw/chin is strong and protrusive. This simply doesn’t cause SFS. My main issue is the maxilla.

When you have SFS it causes a lot of other features that attractive people can still have, but having one unattractive feature isn’t bad - it’s when it’s bundled together or an extreme case.

 

[ripcordgod1]

You misunderstood me, I didn’t mean a low gonial angle cause SFS.
I meant to say that in people with SFS a low gonial angle is common.

And I don’t understand how I’m coping with gonial angle.

low gonial makes it look worse but not the cause of it i agree

i think OP thinks 120 degree gonial angle is ideal JFL

 

[Deleted member 20631]

low gonial makes it look worse but not the cause of it i agree

i think OP thinks 120 degree gonial angle is ideal JFL

What is the ideal gonial angle in your opinion? I think 120 isn’t bad.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I’ve got SFS, consulted with several surgeons and they all said my jaw/chin is strong and protrusive. This simply doesn’t cause SFS. My main issue is the maxilla.

When you have SFS it causes a lot of other features that attractive people can still have, but having one unattractive feature isn’t bad - it’s when it’s bundled together or an extreme case.

Personally I’d rather have SFS than some shit like a downward grown jaw or long midface.

SFS is very fixable surgically and one of the best bimax ascensions I’ve ever seen was a SFS case.

 

[ripcordgod1]

I’ve got SFS, consulted with several surgeons and they all said my jaw/chin is strong and protrusive. This simply doesn’t cause SFS. My main issue is the maxilla.

When you have SFS it causes a lot of other features that attractive people can still have, but having one unattractive feature isn’t bad - it’s when it’s bundled together or an extreme case.

u probably have a very recessed maxilla
if a maxilla is too compact somehow too

 

[ripcordgod1]

What is the ideal gonial angle in your opinion? I think 120 isn’t bad.

this looks the best, around 90 for both men and women
men having a stronger gonion and set back ramus while women have a sloped and forward ramus, but the mandible is aligned in Frankfurt plane

 

[Deleted member 20631]

this looks the best, around 90 for both men and women
men having a stronger gonion and set back ramus while women have a sloped and forward ramus, but the mandible is aligned in Frankfurt plane

View attachment 2196488

How are you measuring gonial angle?
Chicos angle seems to be 105-110, you can correct me if I’m wrong but a gonial angle of 90 seems minecraft-tier.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

I started permajutting by impulsive-compulsive habit way back in 2018 to "fix" my disgusting overbite/short face syndrome (SFS) truecel condition.
After almost 5 years of forcefully sticking my mandible forward, I can report nothing but success.

• My mandible has been naturally "glued" forward.
• My relaxed resting pose is now unrecessed, I even keep it subconsciously while sleeping.
• Improved my overall posture, I no longer push my neck forward like I used to do as a child.
• Never experienced TMD/TJDs except maybe two weeks since I started doing this.
• Finally, I gained 2 PSL points by doing this alone.

Be aware I have SFS meaning my lower and upper maxilla are NOT recessed
You can tell you suffer from this condition if jutting your jaw forward doesn't give you prognathism but rather makes you look normal
Read more on my old thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-short-face-syndrome-sfs-bundle.263197/

TMJmaxxing.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

When you say a gonial angle of 90 this is shit I think of JFL

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I started permajutting by impulsive-compulsive habit way back in 2018 to "fix" my disgusting overbite/short face syndrome (SFS) truecel condition.
After almost 5 years of forcefully sticking my mandible forward, I can report nothing but success.

• My mandible has been naturally "glued" forward.
• My relaxed resting pose is now unrecessed, I even keep it subconsciously while sleeping.
• Improved my overall posture, I no longer push my neck forward like I used to do as a child.
• Never experienced TMD/TJDs except maybe two weeks since I started doing this.
• Finally, I gained 2 PSL points by doing this alone.

Be aware I have SFS meaning my lower and upper maxilla are NOT recessed
You can tell you suffer from this condition if jutting your jaw forward doesn't give you prognathism but rather makes you look normal
Read more on my old thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-short-face-syndrome-sfs-bundle.263197/

any pics?

how much did you jutt? All the way out like underbite or enough to look normal?

 

[Mastermind]

any pics?

how much did you jutt? All the way out like underbite or enough to look normal?

Enough to look normal

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

Enough to look normal

have you ever seen any videos on YouTube mentioning this like how they do with mewing? Or jutting as a way to solve sfs is only ever done by us here?

cuz I'm afraid of doing it.......mewers say that jutting can corrupt your structure

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

have you ever seen any videos on YouTube mentioning this like how they do with mewing? Or jutting as a way to solve sfs is only ever done by us here?

cuz I'm afraid of doing it.......mewers say that jutting can corrupt your structure

Mewers should rope thinking they can correct their facial structure with tongue LMAO
Jutting is a mask to look good it doesn t do much maybe better masseters but that s it

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

this looks the best, around 90 for both men and women
men having a stronger gonion and set back ramus while women have a sloped and forward ramus, but the mandible is aligned in Frankfurt plane

View attachment 2196488

Chico doesn t have a 90 degress gonial angle but it s good enough to look masc

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I’ve got SFS, consulted with several surgeons and they all said my jaw/chin is strong and protrusive. This simply doesn’t cause SFS. My main issue is the maxilla.

When you have SFS it causes a lot of other features that attractive people can still have, but having one unattractive feature isn’t bad - it’s when it’s bundled together or an extreme case.

U need cw if u have deep bite(short face)

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Do you keep your incisors on top of each other.

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Do you keep your incisors on top of each other.

why the ugh reaction ?

 

[Deleted member 21044]

why the ugh reaction ?

Extremely jewish to tell him to get cwr. Sfs doesn't even exist.

 

[ripcordgod1]

How are you measuring gonial angle?
Chicos angle seems to be 105-110, you can correct me if I’m wrong but a gonial angle of 90 seems minecraft-tier.

his would look better if it was 90 its very rare to find 90

matt lemond and the other guy i sent has 90 or very close i think
niggas who look like Minecraft steve with it have other failos like zygos 404 chin 404, etc

 

[Deleted member 21044]

How are you measuring gonial angle?
Chicos angle seems to be 105-110, you can correct me if I’m wrong but a gonial angle of 90 seems minecraft-tier.

Chico is higher yea. 90 is like matt lemond.