Potential cycle for both height and framemaxx m17

[dopercoper]

M17, starting a cycle of anavar, letrozole.
Already using cjc 1295 dac 2mg weekly, 25mg mk677 and hyperzine a. Following mpmd guide to increasing igf-1 basically.
Planning on taking 5mg of anavar twice daily and 2.5mg of letrozole eod for potentially a year. Will switch out letrozole for exemestane when it is available from my source.

Reasoning behind cycle:
- I am a pathetic 5’8.5 that frauds 5’10 with insoles and air maxes, looking to get to atleast 5’11 so I can fraud 6’0 and then planning on limb lengthening in future regardless of cycle results unless extreme height gain is achieved.
-frame is ok however must be improved obvs.
-letrozole was the only ai currently available, anavar has been shown to increase height velocity.
-no test as I cannot afford it and the rest of my stack so deem it less efficacious for my case.
- anavar in the dose I will be using will reduce test by like 30% and letrozole has been shown to increase test by 60% so no test is technically needed.
- Also heavily supplementing vits and mins, may start some ancillaries if needed.

Other info/ questions I have:
-planning on doing a blood panel in the summer to check that none of my numbers are too out of wack.
Should I use topical ru to prevent any hairloss?
Already have mild acne so should I hop on low dose accutane or is it counterintuitive to heightmaxxing?
will post results (not pictures) once I’ve been on for at least 3 months by which results should be visible.
Would using semaglutide to leanmaxx also be counterproductive?

Open to criticism and suggestions.

 

[MA_ascender]

test + var instead of var only and that's all

 

[elemanzelvadre]

Mini Test base+anavar/rimo/masteron +hgh or ghrp+ ai maybe if u gigamanlet

 

[dopercoper]

test + var instead of var only and that's all

Do I really need it for such a low dose?
Can barely hide the shit I already have so an extra needle every day is gonna be a bit impossible, also I can only source €40 of anabolics a month as the uk has shitty crypto laws.
I figured that the letrozole would be enough and possibly some semi-cope shit like ashwaghanda or something.

Thanks for quick reply though

 

[dopercoper]

Do I really need it for such a low dose?
Can barely hide the shit I already have so an extra needle every day is gonna be a bit impossible, also I can only source €40 of anabolics a month as the uk has shitty crypto laws.
I figured that the letrozole would be enough and possibly some semi-cope shit like ashwaghanda or something.

Thanks for quick reply though

Crypto reason is also why I can’t just blast hgh.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Do I really need it for such a low dose?
Can barely hide the shit I already have so an extra needle every day is gonna be a bit impossible, also I can only source €40 of anabolics a month as the uk has shitty crypto laws.
I figured that the letrozole would be enough and possibly some semi-cope shit like ashwaghanda or something.

Thanks for quick reply though

go to chiltonlabs.ws Not the biggest fan of there anabolics, but it's decent. Also that letrozole dose seems low, maybe double it, or take 2.5mg every day? not sure though

 

[dopercoper]

go to chiltonlabs.ws Not the biggest fan of there anabolics, but it's decent. Also that letrozole dose seems low, maybe double it, or take 2.5mg every day? not sure though

Do they ship to uk? And also I might up the does of let if I don’t think that it’s large enough I just figured that the estrogen decrease would also be higher as the ai causes more lh so more test which then eventually aromatises to increase estrogen levels back to normal however with the anavar the test increase would be less so less would aromatise hence a lower dose needed if that makes sense

 

[gofortheeyes]

Do they ship to uk? And also I might up the does of let if I don’t think that it’s large enough I just figured that the estrogen decrease would also be higher as the ai causes more lh so more test which then eventually aromatises to increase estrogen levels back to normal however with the anavar the test increase would be less so less would aromatise hence a lower dose needed if that makes sense

They only ship to UK now They're from UK orignially i think

 

[dopercoper]

They only ship to UK now They're from UK orignially i think

I’ll have a look then cheers

 

[gofortheeyes]

Do they ship to uk? And also I might up the does of let if I don’t think that it’s large enough I just figured that the estrogen decrease would also be higher as the ai causes more lh so more test which then eventually aromatises to increase estrogen levels back to normal however with the anavar the test increase would be less so less would aromatise hence a lower dose needed if that makes sense

I can see you have done a fair amount of research very nice. (not a lot of people have a correct understanding of HPTA) You're thinking is correct, however 5mg most likely is not enough to cause sufficient surpression to actualize your theory in practice. You'd most likely need between 20-40 mg for it to actually matter.

 

[gofortheeyes]

I’ll have a look then cheers

They close sometimes, probably cuz the orders get backlogged, but this is on the homepage:

UK Domestic only (EU/international not available currently)

 

[dopercoper]

I can see you have done a fair amount of research very nice. (not a lot of people have a correct understanding of HPTA) You're thinking is correct, however 5mg most likely is not enough to cause sufficient surpression to actualize your theory in practice. You'd most likely need between 20-40 mg for it to actually matter.

Ok the var I’m planning to do 5mg x2 daily because of half life and I’ll probably switch to aromasin when I can so what dose would be best for that if you know

 

[gofortheeyes]

Ok the var I’m planning to do 5mg x2 daily because of half life and I’ll probably switch to aromasin when I can so what dose would be best for that if you know

It seems like 5mg every day seems a pretty decent dosage.

 

[dopercoper]

It seems like 5mg every day seems a pretty decent dosage.

Would 5mg x2 daily not be better? Also the pills are 10mg each so jw

 

[gofortheeyes]

Would 5mg x2 daily not be better? Also the pills are 10mg each so jw

You could start at 10mg per day, But if they side effects become untolerable: (lethargic, no erections, painful joints, no energy to do anything) you can lower it to 5 mg everyday. This is also how bodybuilders tune their dose.

 

[dopercoper]

You could start at 10mg per day, But if they side effects become untolerable: (lethargic, no erections, painful joints, no energy to do anything) you can lower it to 5 mg everyday. This is also how bodybuilders tune their dose.

I thought a typical anavar dose would be like 20-40 for a cycle so 10mg sounds conservative?

 

[gofortheeyes]

I thought a typical anavar dose would be like 20-40 for a cycle so 10mg sounds conservative?

i meant aromasin 10 mg per day, you can take anavar 20mg per day probably. But then again i do think you should combine it with test injections though. When childeren are to short for their age, they get test and hgh, Height is a sexually dimorphic feature, I'm geussing the more androgens the more height (along with a list of other factors of course)

 

[dopercoper]

i meant aromasin 10 mg per day, you can take anavar 20mg per day probably. But then again i do think you should combine it with test injections though. When childeren are to short for their age, they get test and hgh, Height is a sexually dimorphic feature, I'm geussing the more androgens the more height (along with a list of other factors of course)

Oh my bad aromasin makes more sense, I’ll probably just stick at 10mg as I’m trying to run it for a year or so.
I’ll probably get an xray of a few growth plates once I’m 18 and moved out and then I’m free to blast test and whatever else.
Also for the aromasin would 25mg eod be equally as effective as the pills are that so it’d be easier than splitting the dose into 10mg ed. Thanks for your helpful replies btw

 

[gofortheeyes]

Oh my bad aromasin makes more sense, I’ll probably just stick at 10mg as I’m trying to run it for a year or so.
I’ll probably get an xray of a few growth plates once I’m 18 and moved out and then I’m free to blast test and whatever else.
Also for the aromasin would 25mg eod be equally as effective as the pills are that so it’d be easier than splitting the dose into 10mg ed. Thanks for your helpful replies btw

Yeah, you could try the 25mg eod, just make sure to be well read into low estrogen side effects. Also monitor your side effects. if it's too much you might need to switch to E3D 25mg. Also you can break them up, you know that right? if they don't have a line, look into 'pill cutter' on google. or use a knife or something

 

[dopercoper]

Yeah, you could try the 25mg eod, just make sure to be well read into low estrogen side effects. Also monitor your side effects. if it's too much you might need to switch to E3D 25mg. Also you can break them up, you know that right? if they don't have a line, look into 'pill cutter' on google. or use a knife or something

I’ll try 25mg eod and then switch to e3d if I do get sides like you said
Also I know people on here always preach about genetic height limits however if my growth was stunted by a medical condition for a few of my teenage years then does that limit stay fixed? Or is my potential lower now regardless of exogenous supplements?

 

[gofortheeyes]

I’ll try 25mg eod and then switch to e3d if I do get sides like you said
Also I know people on here always preach about genetic height limits however if my growth was stunted by a medical condition for a few of my teenage years then does that limit stay fixed? Or is my potential lower now regardless of exogenous supplements?

I have no clue, depends on the condition i suppose. I'm geussing that as long as growth plates are opened and you keep them opened longer by surpressing E2, i think you can grow. I'm not knowledgable enough on this.

 

[dopercoper]

I have no clue, depends on the condition i suppose. I'm geussing that as long as growth plates are opened and you keep them opened longer by surpressing E2, i think you can grow. I'm not knowledgable enough on this.

ok cheers yeah it was just an autoimmune/skin disorder that caused a lot of inflammation -> more cortisol -> less test and major sleep disturbance -> lack of gh and other stuff etc etc

 

[Intel.Imperative]

I give up

 

[dopercoper]

I give up

?

 

[Intel.Imperative]

?

Incels using AI to "Heightmaxx". I've explained it a 1000 times as someone who actually knows anything about exogenous androgen administration. This trend to use AIs for height is Incel-bro-psuedoscience. Its like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day because it increases testosterone a little.

 

[dopercoper]

Incels using AI to "Heightmaxx". I've explained it a 1000 times as someone who actually knows anything about exogenous androgen administration. This trend to use AIs for height is Incel-bro-psuedoscience. It’s like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day because it increases testosterone a little.

If estrogen facilitates epiphyseal plate closure then less estrogen means slower plate closure. Ai’s themselves don’t increase height velocity which is why hgh is usually administered. What part of the studies done on teens given all these supplements constitutes pseudoscience. Show me your vast knowledge on the subject and I’ll change my mind.

 

[Intel.Imperative]

If estrogen facilitates epiphyseal plate closure then less estrogen means slower plate closure. Ai’s themselves don’t increase height velocity which is why hgh is usually administered. What part of the studies done on teens given all these supplements constitutes pseudoscience. Show me your vast knowledge on the subject and I’ll change my mind.

Bro there are many primary utilisations of estrogen in the human body other than facilitating growth plate closure. And there are many factors that affect growth plate closure not just estrogen.

 

[ogrepilled]

Mini Test base+anavar/rimo/masteron +hgh or ghrp+ ai maybe if u gigamanlet

chill

 

[elemanzelvadre]

chill

Para versene

 

[ogrepilled]

Para versene

yok ki

 

[ogrepilled]

Para versene

sende varsa bana ver elemanzelzele

 

[dopercoper]

Bro there are many primary utilisations of estrogen in the human body other than facilitating growth plate closure. And there are many factors that affect growth plate closure not just estrogen.

estrogen is still the primary facilitator of plate closure else all the studies on ai treated kids wouldn’t have significant evidence otherwise.
And yeah estrogen is necessary for humans and I’m not trying to get to 0 estrogen just the lowest normal range.

 

[Intel.Imperative]

estrogen is still the primary facilitator of plate closure else all the studies on ai treated kids wouldn’t have significant evidence otherwise.
And yeah estrogen is necessary for humans and I’m not trying to get to 0 estrogen just the lowest normal range.

Uh huh

Imagine fucking with your endocrine system for 0.25 of an inch

 

[dopercoper]

Uh huh

Imagine fucking with your endocrine system for 0.25 of an inch

if you aren’t willing to do a stack like this then why are you on this forum

 

[Intel.Imperative]

if you aren’t willing to do a stack like this then why are you on this forum

Cause this stack is retarded. I'm just chilling on this forum teachers people how to actually use exogenous androgens properly.

 

[elemanzelvadre]

yok ki

sende varsa bana ver elemanzelzele

1 rimoluk var sal

 

[20/04/2008]

M17, starting a cycle of anavar, letrozole.
Already using cjc 1295 dac 2mg weekly, 25mg mk677 and hyperzine a. Following mpmd guide to increasing igf-1 basically.
Planning on taking 5mg of anavar twice daily and 2.5mg of letrozole eod for potentially a year. Will switch out letrozole for exemestane when it is available from my source.

Reasoning behind cycle:
- I am a pathetic 5’8.5 that frauds 5’10 with insoles and air maxes, looking to get to atleast 5’11 so I can fraud 6’0 and then planning on limb lengthening in future regardless of cycle results unless extreme height gain is achieved.
-frame is ok however must be improved obvs.
-letrozole was the only ai currently available, anavar has been shown to increase height velocity.
-no test as I cannot afford it and the rest of my stack so deem it less efficacious for my case.
- anavar in the dose I will be using will reduce test by like 30% and letrozole has been shown to increase test by 60% so no test is technically needed.
- Also heavily supplementing vits and mins, may start some ancillaries if needed.

Other info/ questions I have:
-planning on doing a blood panel in the summer to check that none of my numbers are too out of wack.
Should I use topical ru to prevent any hairloss?
Already have mild acne so should I hop on low dose accutane or is it counterintuitive to heightmaxxing?
will post results (not pictures) once I’ve been on for at least 3 months by which results should be visible.
Would using semaglutide to leanmaxx also be counterproductive?

Open to criticism and suggestions.

Mpmd said to use 1.6 iu of hgh morning and evening

 

[dopercoper]

Mpmd said to use 1.6 iu of hgh morning and evening

This article:

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[dopercoper]

Cause this stack is retarded. I'm just chilling on this forum teachers people how to actually use exogenous androgens properly.

Well you haven’t taught me anything just said things without any evidence to back your ideas up, if everyone were to abandon all the research that they’ve done because one person on the forum said that they need to change something then nobody would do anything here. Either provide evidence proving that my stack is pointless or show me a stack that can achieve the results I’m after in a better way.

 

[Intel.Imperative]

Well you haven’t taught me anything just said things without any evidence to back your ideas up, if everyone were to abandon all the research that they’ve done because one person on the forum said that they need to change something then nobody would do anything here. Either provide evidence proving that my stack is pointless or show me a stack that can achieve the results I’m after in a better way.

Im not gonna do all the work for you. Go onto a bodybuilding forum where people actually know about AAS and PEDs and tell them you are using AIs for height and you'll have 50 people confirming what i'm saying. Go ahead, do ur retarded stack. I got nothing to lose. Its your life not mine.

 

[keonxmogs]

M17, starting a cycle of anavar, letrozole.
Already using cjc 1295 dac 2mg weekly, 25mg mk677 and hyperzine a. Following mpmd guide to increasing igf-1 basically.
Planning on taking 5mg of anavar twice daily and 2.5mg of letrozole eod for potentially a year. Will switch out letrozole for exemestane when it is available from my source.

Reasoning behind cycle:
- I am a pathetic 5’8.5 that frauds 5’10 with insoles and air maxes, looking to get to atleast 5’11 so I can fraud 6’0 and then planning on limb lengthening in future regardless of cycle results unless extreme height gain is achieved.
-frame is ok however must be improved obvs.
-letrozole was the only ai currently available, anavar has been shown to increase height velocity.
-no test as I cannot afford it and the rest of my stack so deem it less efficacious for my case.
- anavar in the dose I will be using will reduce test by like 30% and letrozole has been shown to increase test by 60% so no test is technically needed.
- Also heavily supplementing vits and mins, may start some ancillaries if needed.

Other info/ questions I have:
-planning on doing a blood panel in the summer to check that none of my numbers are too out of wack.
Should I use topical ru to prevent any hairloss?
Already have mild acne so should I hop on low dose accutane or is it counterintuitive to heightmaxxing?
will post results (not pictures) once I’ve been on for at least 3 months by which results should be visible.
Would using semaglutide to leanmaxx also be counterproductive?

Open to criticism and suggestions.

Few questions I would really thank you for if you answered. 1. How tall were you at 15? 2.How long have you been on this cycle and have you noticed any results? 3. Mk or cjc for height maxing alone ? Which one would be better to do alone ?

 

[dopercoper]

Few questions I would really thank you for if you answered. 1. How tall were you at 15? 2.How long have you been on this cycle and have you noticed any results? 3. Mk or cjc for height maxing alone ? Which one would be better to do alone ?

1. At 15 I was 5’7 pretty sure, 2. I have been using the cjc and mk677 for just under a month now and I have noticed better sleep and skin for sure but height wise I think it’s too early to declare any results due to the difference being maybe 1cm by now so I can’t say for sure. MK and cjc dac work synergistically in a kind of 1+1=3 sort of thing as they both increase gh in different ways, mk is definitely easier to take however I don’t think it’s particularly effective by itself, cjc dac is injectable so if you’re too high inhib for that then dw. 4.) mk677 is probably better to take by itself just because of the sleep plus the hunger can help if you need it or take it closer to bed if the hunger is a bad thing.
Hope that answers everything

 

[quackalot]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3133492/#T1 (source on relation of what i mentioned and height)

You might have dietary factors holding you back.

Consider high collagen,

High plasma vitamin D (sun exposure),

and overall increasing your BMD (Bone Mineral Density).

Your body probably doesn't need anymore stimuli but being actually able to grow.

 

[dopercoper]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3133492/#T1 (source on relation of what i mentioned and height)

You might have dietary factors holding you back.

Consider high collagen,

High plasma vitamin D (sun exposure),

and overall increasing your BMD (Bone Mineral Density).

Your body probably doesn't need anymore stimuli but being actually able to grow.

I take a multi vitamin and mineral everyday, two servings of a vit d and k2 mix, another 8000iu of vit d, like 170g protein, also zinc, magnesium, potassium, msm, boron, milk, skyr all that jazz. Natural supplements won’t give me anymore than an inch max of natural height until I completely stop growing which just isn’t good enough. Appreciate the input though

 

[quackalot]

I take a multi vitamin and mineral everyday, two servings of a vit d and k2 mix, another 8000iu of vit d, like 170g protein, also zinc, magnesium, potassium, msm, boron, milk, skyr all that jazz. Natural supplements won’t give me anymore than an inch max of natural height until I completely stop growing which just isn’t good enough. Appreciate the input though

I was on hgh for 6 months and the biggest growth i got was when i actually lifted heavy to increase BMD and got sun (I work from home so I was getting 0 sunlight).

But yeah,only viable if you have severe deficiency. Just wanted to make sure you don't downplay the importance of it

Also, that much protein is overkill, especially for your height and requirments and can be detremental according to this study.

Associations between High Protein Intake, Linear Growth, and Stunting in Children and Adolescents: A Cross-Sectional Study - PMC

Background and aims: Childhood and adolescence are critical periods for linear growth and preventing stunting. Current evidence indicates that dietary protein intake in children and adolescents is often two to three times higher than the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

P.S: Sorry for nerdy shit but these studies have really large and diverse pools and I view them as good information.

reduce protein intake by up to 50Gs imo.

 

[dopercoper]

I was on hgh for 6 months and the biggest growth i got was when i actually lifted heavy to increase BMD and got sun (I work from home so I was getting 0 sunlight).

But yeah,only viable if you have severe deficiency. Just wanted to make sure you don't downplay the importance of it

Also, that much protein is overkill, especially for your height and requirments and can be detremental according to this study.

Associations between High Protein Intake, Linear Growth, and Stunting in Children and Adolescents: A Cross-Sectional Study - PMC

Background and aims: Childhood and adolescence are critical periods for linear growth and preventing stunting. Current evidence indicates that dietary protein intake in children and adolescents is often two to three times higher than the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

P.S: Sorry for nerdy shit but these studies have really large and diverse pools and I view them as good information.

reduce protein intake by up to 50Gs imo.


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That’s actually a pretty interesting study tbh, my only slight concern is that the taller kids were considered more obese so obviously consumed more calories and I think that this would be likely down to sugary foods that can spike insulin, leading to increase in igf 1 etc. I think that potentially I could benefit from reducing protein to add more carbs or something however I’m trying to lean max too right now (I know that heightmaxxing and leanmaxxing are kinda counterintuitive) and am also coming out of a wrist surgery which stopped me from lifting for the past two months, in addition to a back injury in may I have not been consistent so have gained more bf% which I would like to decrease. I’m going to try to create my deficit out of exercise rather than reducing calorie intake.
Also check out my new post and the study I linked if you want

 

[keonxmogs]

1. At 15 I was 5’7 pretty sure, 2. I have been using the cjc and mk677 for just under a month now and I have noticed better sleep and skin for sure but height wise I think it’s too early to declare any results due to the difference being maybe 1cm by now so I can’t say for sure. MK and cjc dac work synergistically in a kind of 1+1=3 sort of thing as they both increase gh in different ways, mk is definitely easier to take however I don’t think it’s particularly effective by itself, cjc dac is injectable so if you’re too high inhib for that then dw. 4.) mk677 is probably better to take by itself just because of the sleep plus the hunger can help if you need it or take it closer to bed if the hunger is a bad thing.
Hope that answers everything

Thank you so much bro it did forsure