Ppl and bro split are trash

[unknown_sub_5]

frequency is shit, u train 3+ days in a row and your doing junk volume. Fullbody or upper lower mogs

 

[inversions]

Yep 100%

You're a good user.

 

[Mo3452]

for sure. also high rep and low intensity sucks too.

 

[MOSSADGLOWIE]

Yep 100%

You're a good user.

is fuoty that serious

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

frequency is shit, u train 3+ days in a row and your doing junk volume. Fullbody or upper lower mogs

Water

 

[inversions]

is fuoty that serious

He made a genuine valid point that wouldn't get accredited by users.

I bumped the post.

 

[MOSSADGLOWIE]

He made a genuine valid point that wouldn't get accredited by users.

I bumped the post.

I apologise for believing that your comment was done out of selfish reasons. Now it is clear to me that you had noble intent.

 

[inversions]

I apologise for believing that your comment was done out of selfish reasons. Now it is clear to me that you had noble intent.

Anyways, vote me

 

[unknown_sub_5]

Water

most people here promote ppl and junk volume, wym by water nga

 

[zygosmasher12]

based

 

[Hyakkimaru]

water

 

[TechnoBoss]

What do you mean by "junk volume"

PPL isn't shit.

 

[unknown_sub_5]

water

What do you mean by "junk volume"

PPL isn't shit.

Ok, maybe I should rephrase it. It’s not as good as fboed or ul. By junk volume I mean like 10 sets on one muscle group

 

[tomahawk]

anti-investment ppl is good
and bro mentzer was right you dont need frequency bs bro

 

[TechnoBoss]

Ok, maybe I should rephrase it. It’s not as good as fboed or ul. By junk volume I mean like 10 sets on one muscle group

Why is 10 sets on one muscle group bad?

 

[Snucell]

H2O bru

 

[tomahawk]

Why is 10 sets on one muscle group bad?

fatigue for no reason

The Effect of Weekly Set Volume on Strength Gain: A Meta-Analysis - PubMed

This meta-analysis presents additional evidence regarding a graded dose-response relationship between weekly sets performed and strength gain. The use of MWS and HWS was more effective than LWS, with LWS producing the smallest pre- to post-training strength difference. For novice and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[unknown_sub_5]

Why is 10 sets on one muscle group bad?

Cause the more sets you do for a muscle the less stimulating it becomes, it also becomes more fatiguing

 

[unknown_sub_5]

Why is 10 sets on one muscle group bad?

There’s a study done, I’ll try finding it

 

[unknown_sub_5]

anti-investment ppl is good
and bro mentzer was right you dont need frequency bs bro

Mentzer?

 

[TechnoBoss]

Cause the more sets you do for a muscle the less stimulating it becomes, it also becomes more fatiguing

I don't mean to keep asking you questions but what is the proof of this? If you use a muscle more then your body will think you need to increase muscle mass with the muscles you use to make the stress on your body easier/to make it possible for your body to keep up with the load you're putting on your body.

There’s a study done, I’ll try finding it

But there are studies done that can "prove" anything. It doesn't make sense from a biology perspective.

 

[tomahawk]

Mentzer?

true antiinvestment grey

 

[stacylover]

frequency is shit, u train 3+ days in a row and your doing junk volume. Fullbody or upper lower mogs

U/L
Slams

 

[tomahawk]

I don't mean to keep asking you questions but what is the proof of this? If you use a muscle more then your body will think you need to increase muscle mass with the muscles you use to make the stress on your body easier/to make it possible for your body to keep up with the load you're putting on your body.

youre misinterpreting basic physiology, very upsetting
resistance training also induces microtrauma to heal before growing further
overtraining can damage the muscle beyond its possible limit of protein synthesis to recover which means it wont even get close to growth at too high volumes

 

[unknown_sub_5]

I don't mean to keep asking you questions but what is the proof of this? If you use a muscle more then your body will think you need to increase muscle mass with the muscles you use to make the stress on your body easier/to make it possible for your body to keep up with the load you're putting on your body.


But there are studies done that can "prove" anything. It doesn't make sense from a biology perspective.

Cite the source for your claim, cause it’s bs, somebody sent a study about why it’s fatiguing

 

[unknown_sub_5]

true antiinvestment grey

Doing one set every 3 weeks wont do shit nga

 

[tomahawk]

Doing one set every 3 weeks wont do shit nga

youre misleading
its one set to absolute failure every 4-7 days
yates did 4 sets a week for his chest (and also a shit ton of steroids but thats not the point) and still grew a ton

 

[unknown_sub_5]

youre misleading
its one set to absolute failure every 4-7 days
yates did 4 sets a week for his chest (and also a shit ton of steroids but thats not the point) and still grew a ton

“shit ton steroids” btw steroids alone without training caused more muscle growth then someone training in the gym

 

[TechnoBoss]

youre misinterpreting basic physiology, very upsetting
resistance training also induces microtrauma to heal before growing further
overtraining can damage the muscle beyond its possible limit of protein synthesis to recover which means it wont even get close to growth at too high volumes

No one is debating that overtraining is counterintuitive to muscle growth. I'm not arguing that you should be training 2x a day 7 days a week. Good PPLs will not have you doing too much per muscle group, at least not too much so that your body isn't able to recover.

No one says that PPL is for everyone anyone. The PPL I followed (Coolcicidas PPL) was promoted for intermediate lifters. Of course if you're new to lifting, then you can't jump in the deep end.

Cite the source for your claim, cause it’s bs, somebody sent a study about why it’s fatiguing

This is basic stuff. Your body adapts to new stimuli to make your body better adapted to being able to lift. This is why your muscles get bigger. If your body didn't adapt to new stimuli, then you wouldn't be able to increase your muscle mass.

 

[tomahawk]

No one is debating that overtraining is counterintuitive to muscle growth. I'm not arguing that you should be training 2x a day 7 days a week. Good PPLs will not have you doing too much per muscle group, at least not too much so that your body isn't able to recover.

No one says that PPL is for everyone anyone. The PPL I followed (Coolcicidas PPL) was promoted for intermediate lifters. Of course if you're new to lifting, then you can't jump in the deep end.


This is basic stuff. Your body adapts to new stimuli to make your body better adapted to being able to lift. This is why your muscles get bigger. If your body didn't adapt to new stimuli, then you wouldn't be able to increase your muscle mass.

no i mean 10 sets is too much bro

 

[tomahawk]

“shit ton steroids” btw steroids alone without training caused more muscle growth then someone training in the gym

and both do substantially more than one or the other

 

[Aroon]

atp nigga it just depends on the person. Just do what you find best wether it's ppl or something else

 

[unknown_sub_5]

When your training, your muscle has a ceiling of how much growth it can get. The high threshold fibers get “maxed out”, Efter a few sets there’s no point in doing more, cause it’s give more Fatigue. U cant “adapt” into doing more sets. The more advanced u get, the less sets u should be doing

 

[unknown_sub_5]

No one is debating that overtraining is counterintuitive to muscle growth. I'm not arguing that you should be training 2x a day 7 days a week. Good PPLs will not have you doing too much per muscle group, at least not too much so that your body isn't able to recover.

No one says that PPL is for everyone anyone. The PPL I followed (Coolcicidas PPL) was promoted for intermediate lifters. Of course if you're new to lifting, then you can't jump in the deep end.


This is basic stuff. Your body adapts to new stimuli to make your body better adapted to being able to lift. This is why your muscles get bigger. If your body didn't adapt to new stimuli, then you wouldn't be able to increase your muscle mass.

When your training, your muscle has a ceiling of how much growth it can get. The high threshold fibers get “maxed out”, Efter a few sets there’s no point in doing more, cause it’s give more Fatigue. U cant “adapt” into doing more sets. The more advanced u get, the less sets u should be doing

 

[unknown_sub_5]

youre misleading
its one set to absolute failure every 4-7 days
yates did 4 sets a week for his chest (and also a shit ton of steroids but thats not the point) and still grew a ton

4 sets for chest is good, if you do 1 sets eod. One set every 4-7 is not tho.u start losing muscle efter 36-48 hours

 

[unknown_sub_5]

youre misleading
its one set to absolute failure every 4-7 days
yates did 4 sets a week for his chest (and also a shit ton of steroids but thats not the point) and still grew a ton

/PMC9745468 here’s the source for the athropy Claim

 

[tomahawk]

4 sets for chest is good, if you do 1 sets eod. One set every 4-7 is not tho.u start losing muscle efter 36-48 hours

I didn't. I grew.

 

[tomahawk]

I didn't. I grew.

The fact that I did is enough for me to disagree

 

[unknown_sub_5]

I didn't. I grew.

Are you on steroids? And how often did you do 1 set, if it was every 4 days u may have gotten better results

 

[unknown_sub_5]

I didn't. I grew.

Your prolly would have grown more with fb

 

[ChadAura]

frequency is shit, u train 3+ days in a row and your doing junk volume. Fullbody or upper lower mogs

PPL is a great split. If not the greatest. Beginners always try to overcomplicate things, it's about consistency, nutrition, recovery and the work you put in.
Of course insane levels of volume are bad since you wont recover too well as a natural, though saying PPL is somehow too much volume is just nonsense.

 

[unknown_sub_5]

PPL is a great split. If not the greatest. Beginners always try to overcomplicate things, it's about consistency, nutrition, recovery and the work you put in.
Of course insane levels of volume are bad since you wont recover too well as a natural, though saying PPL is somehow too much volume is just nonsense.

Jus say u don’t want to maximize growth nga

 

[Meatsauce]

Upper/lower without the lower we ALL skipping legs

 

[ChadAura]

Jus say u don’t want to maximize growth nga

Bro, what do you look like?

 

[rayhuul]

PPL/UL is the best split

 

[nico.chz]

sbl on org

 

[Nerian]

This is true for naturals and it's not just down to the physiology of it. It's also about the practicalities of lifting with a real life.

A lot of programs gained popularity because they work well for roiders and pro bodybuilders. Roiders synthesize muscle for longer after a session and maintain for longer after synthesis stops. They are a different species. Additionally, pro bodybuilders can structure their entire life around their workouts. That's their job. Both are inapplicable to 99% of lifters.

Elevated muscle synthesis doesn't last very long in naturals, only about 48-72 hours, depending on how advanced you are. It's also a lot easier to work around real life commitments. The number one thing that sets people back is losing muscle and having to gain it back, and if you are on a bro split or PPL, you cannot afford to miss a session. On the other hand, even one set will prevent muscle loss for a few days (real) so when you do full body or UL, you can afford to skip days without losing gains and messing up your timing. You can even afford to maintain gains with two full body workouts a week. This way you can avoid mental burnout and then get back to gaining. The number one thing that prevents long term great results in naturals is losing gains and constantly having to regain them. We aren't robots and we have life commitments, so we aren't gonna always be able to focus on gains all the time. Periods of maintenance and flexibility with training days is for real human beings.

 

[unknown_sub_5]

Bro, what do you look like?

Subhuman