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In this thread I will be explaining to you what Proviron and why I think Proviron should be added into every puberty stack, whether it is for hieghtmaxxing or dimphorism, its beneficial in both!
A bit of background first:
Proviron, originating from the renowned pharmaceutical giant Schering in 1934, stands as one of the earliest anabolic androgenic steroids in existence. Officially recognized as Mesterolone, this compound has been marketed under various brand names, yet Proviron has consistently maintained its prominence. Despite its long-standing presence, Proviron remains one of the least comprehended steroids among users here.
In its essence, Proviron possesses a distinct profile among anabolic steroids. While sharing certain characteristics with compounds like Masteron (Drostanolone), Anavar (Oxandrolone), and Winstrol (Stanozolol), Proviron stands as a unique steroid. Although not typically employed to foster substantial muscle gains, it holds a crucial role during specific training phases. More commonly, Proviron finds its place in cutting cycles, and even in this context, its purpose remains somewhat unimportant.
From a therapeutic perspective, Proviron holds a significant position as one of the most frequently utilized anabolic steroids in modern medicine. Notably, it has not received approval from the U.S. FDA and is predominantly featured in European medical practices, especially in Western Europe. Its primary application lies in addressing androgen deficiencies, with age being a prevalent cause of this condition. Furthermore, Proviron is administered to pre-pubescent males and serves as a fertility aid in men an uncommon trait among anabolic steroids, which typically exhibit contrary effects.
tldr: made in 1934, unique steroid, not the best for building muscle. It was mainly used with bodybuilders to get a more dry appearance before shows. Used in cutting cycles.
Proviron's Effect:
In the idea of bulking phases, Proviron doesn't typically take on the role of a foundational steroid, and for the majority of men, it doesn't find a place in off-season cycles as a standard. Nevertheless, exceptions exist, and we'll explore those nuances. Introducing Proviron might potentially assist individuals in breaking through sticking points during their cycles. As cycles progress, there comes a point where advancements slow down or come to a halt. Proviron, by enhancing the overall free state of other steroids in a stack, could offer a breakthrough in such situations. Off-season cycles, marked by heightened testosterone use, see varied approaches while many adopt substantial amounts during cutting phases, competitive bodybuilders, in particular, tend to favor lower testosterone plans. Yet, some individuals opt for off-season cycles with limited testosterone doses, and in such scenarios, the inclusion of Proviron could provide a subtle yet valuable androgen boost.
Adding to its allure is its potent binding to the androgen receptor, facilitating a more efficient burning of body fat. The anti-estrogen effect of Proviron becomes pivotal, reducing susceptibility to water retention and, depending on the overall cycle, potentially eliminating the need for a traditional anti-estrogen. Once again, attention turns to the augmentation of circulating free testosterone an invaluable asset when testosterone levels typically dip during this phase of anabolic steroid use. In fact, within a low-dose testosterone cycle that incorporates other anabolic steroids, outcomes are likely to be more favorable for those including Proviron compared to those who don't. Ultimately, the primary advantage lies in the heightened androgenicity of other steroids, contributing to a noticeably firmer and more defined physique. It's important to recognize that while Proviron can indeed deliver these traits, their visibility is most apparent when an individual is lean.
tldr: Can boost androgens, can ack as a anti estrogen, increase free test, can help with pct, reduce water retention.
Side effects of Proviron:
Proviron, recognized for its high safety profile among anabolic steroids, is not entirely devoid of potential side effects. While most men can incorporate this steroid without encountering adverse issues, it is crucial to acknowledge and understand these potential effects. In the context of female use, whether for therapeutic or performance purposes, Proviron is not recommended due to a heightened risk of virilization (don't use femcels), posing a threat to feminine characteristics. To comprehensively grasp the potential side effects of Proviron, let's categorize them and delve into each:
[1] Estrogenic: Proviron distinguishes itself by lacking estrogenic properties. It does not aromatize and lacks progestin nature, making side effects related to estrogen, such as gynecomastia or excess water retention, impossible. In fact, Proviron may even exert an anti-estrogenic effect by impeding testosterone-to-estrogen conversion or significantly slowing it down. This is one of the points why its good for heightmaxxing, its literally a weak aromatase inhibitor.
[2] Androgenic: Proviron's androgenic nature may lead to side effects like acne, accelerated hair loss in individuals predisposed to male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. These effects are contingent upon genetic predispositions. Notably, the Mesterolone hormone is not metabolized by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, and there is no conversion to DHT. It is a dht steroid though. Consequently, 5-alpha reductase inhibitors like Finasteride have minimal to no impact on the steroid's androgenicity. This shows that it is good for androgenic changes, basically this means for people who don't know it will help to masculinize your face, more sexually dimphoric male features, facial hair growth, deep voice, etc. Doesn't do too much for penis growth though.
In women, the potent androgenicity of Proviron can induce severe virilization, encompassing body hair growth, deepening of vocal chords, and clitoral enlargement.
[3] Cardiovascular: The most concerning side effect of Proviron revolves around cardiovascular strain, particularly issues related to cholesterol. This anabolic steroid has the potential to negatively impact cholesterol at a more pronounced rate than many others. Monitoring cholesterol levels is crucial, especially for individuals with pre-existing high cholesterol. Proviron has been shown to reduce HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) by over 30% and increase LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) by more than 60%. Maintaining a cholesterol-friendly diet, rich in omega fatty acids, is imperative, along with supplements like fish oils. Limiting saturated fats and simple sugars, coupled with regular cardiovascular training, is also advised. I recommnd you to get your cholestrol checked once a month while on this, use discountedlabs.com for good prices. Also make sure to supplement fish oils and be healthy, do cardio while on this trust me.
[4] Testosterone: Proviron, like all anabolic steroids, suppresses natural testosterone production to some extent. However, studies suggest that the suppression is minimal, especially at doses below 150mg per day. Beyond this threshold, the rate of suppression increases. Despite the minimal impact on natural testosterone, a sensible approach involves including exogenous testosterone, particularly when using other highly suppressive steroids. You will not get supressed with this compound if you follow my directions!!!! Do not execeed 75 mg a day and don't cycle it past 6 weeks and you will be ok!!!!
[5] Hepatotoxicity: Remarkably, despite being an oral anabolic steroid, Proviron is not hepatotoxic. It lacks the C17-aa structure and does not impose stress or damage on the liver.
[6] Effect on SHBG(Sex Hormone Binding Globulin):
Proviron significantly impacts SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) by essentially lowering it. SHBG plays a crucial role in regulating free testosterone levels by binding to androgens and reducing their availability. Typically, when injecting testosterone, SHBG comes into play to maintain hormonal balance and prevent an excessively androgenic environment.
With Proviron, SHBG is effectively suppressed, creating a heightened androgenic environment. This alteration makes the body more receptive to androgens. It's advisable to monitor SHBG levels regularly, preferably monthly, while on Proviron. However, it's important to note that this sustained suppression of SHBG is not conducive to long-term health.
Effect on height: Not much here, but it does support bone growth so it could help with heightgrowth.
Androgenic to Anabolic Rating:
With an androgenic rating of 40 and an anabolic rating of 100 (compared to testosterone's 100-100), Proviron is characterized as moderately androgenic but highly anabolic. Despite its lower androgenic nature, it still plays a role in influencing dimorphism.
Doses and Cycles (Personal Experience):
Doses:For optimal results, a recommended dosage falls within the range of 25-75 mg. It's essential to avoid exceeding 75 mg to prevent suppression while ensuring that the dosage isn't too low for an effective outcome. Distributing the intake throughout the day is advisable, given Proviron's 12-13 hour half-life.
Cycle:A suggested cycle involves 6 weeks of Proviron use, followed by a 1-week off period. Alternatively, one may extend the off period to 2-3 weeks based on individual preferences. This cyclical approach aims to balance the benefits of Proviron while mitigating potential side effects
Personal Experience:
During the initial 1-3 weeks at 25 mg, I experienced slight hair shedding, a phenomenon not present before using the compound. As I increased the dosage to 50 mg in weeks 4-5, there was more hair shedding, but the trade-off was faster results. By week 6, dosing at 75 mg, there was a bit more hair shedding, but no significant hairline recession.
I observed faster growth of facial and body hair, along with elevated free testosterone levels. Acne developed, and there were subtle changes like a slightly deeper voice and a more masculine facial appearance. To address hair loss, I incorporated Rosemary oil and microneedling into my routine. For hair washing, a mixture of raw egg yolks, lemon, and apple cider vinegar proved effective.
Choosing this steroid during puberty aimed at maximizing dimorphism because it provides a significant effect without causing suppression or aromatization. While my primary goal is to maximize height, individuals with a focus on dimorphism may consider alternatives such as injecting testosterone.
A bit of background first:
Proviron, originating from the renowned pharmaceutical giant Schering in 1934, stands as one of the earliest anabolic androgenic steroids in existence. Officially recognized as Mesterolone, this compound has been marketed under various brand names, yet Proviron has consistently maintained its prominence. Despite its long-standing presence, Proviron remains one of the least comprehended steroids among users here.
In its essence, Proviron possesses a distinct profile among anabolic steroids. While sharing certain characteristics with compounds like Masteron (Drostanolone), Anavar (Oxandrolone), and Winstrol (Stanozolol), Proviron stands as a unique steroid. Although not typically employed to foster substantial muscle gains, it holds a crucial role during specific training phases. More commonly, Proviron finds its place in cutting cycles, and even in this context, its purpose remains somewhat unimportant.
From a therapeutic perspective, Proviron holds a significant position as one of the most frequently utilized anabolic steroids in modern medicine. Notably, it has not received approval from the U.S. FDA and is predominantly featured in European medical practices, especially in Western Europe. Its primary application lies in addressing androgen deficiencies, with age being a prevalent cause of this condition. Furthermore, Proviron is administered to pre-pubescent males and serves as a fertility aid in men an uncommon trait among anabolic steroids, which typically exhibit contrary effects.
tldr: made in 1934, unique steroid, not the best for building muscle. It was mainly used with bodybuilders to get a more dry appearance before shows. Used in cutting cycles.
Proviron's Effect:
In the idea of bulking phases, Proviron doesn't typically take on the role of a foundational steroid, and for the majority of men, it doesn't find a place in off-season cycles as a standard. Nevertheless, exceptions exist, and we'll explore those nuances. Introducing Proviron might potentially assist individuals in breaking through sticking points during their cycles. As cycles progress, there comes a point where advancements slow down or come to a halt. Proviron, by enhancing the overall free state of other steroids in a stack, could offer a breakthrough in such situations. Off-season cycles, marked by heightened testosterone use, see varied approaches while many adopt substantial amounts during cutting phases, competitive bodybuilders, in particular, tend to favor lower testosterone plans. Yet, some individuals opt for off-season cycles with limited testosterone doses, and in such scenarios, the inclusion of Proviron could provide a subtle yet valuable androgen boost.
Adding to its allure is its potent binding to the androgen receptor, facilitating a more efficient burning of body fat. The anti-estrogen effect of Proviron becomes pivotal, reducing susceptibility to water retention and, depending on the overall cycle, potentially eliminating the need for a traditional anti-estrogen. Once again, attention turns to the augmentation of circulating free testosterone an invaluable asset when testosterone levels typically dip during this phase of anabolic steroid use. In fact, within a low-dose testosterone cycle that incorporates other anabolic steroids, outcomes are likely to be more favorable for those including Proviron compared to those who don't. Ultimately, the primary advantage lies in the heightened androgenicity of other steroids, contributing to a noticeably firmer and more defined physique. It's important to recognize that while Proviron can indeed deliver these traits, their visibility is most apparent when an individual is lean.
tldr: Can boost androgens, can ack as a anti estrogen, increase free test, can help with pct, reduce water retention.
Side effects of Proviron:
Proviron, recognized for its high safety profile among anabolic steroids, is not entirely devoid of potential side effects. While most men can incorporate this steroid without encountering adverse issues, it is crucial to acknowledge and understand these potential effects. In the context of female use, whether for therapeutic or performance purposes, Proviron is not recommended due to a heightened risk of virilization (don't use femcels), posing a threat to feminine characteristics. To comprehensively grasp the potential side effects of Proviron, let's categorize them and delve into each:
[1] Estrogenic: Proviron distinguishes itself by lacking estrogenic properties. It does not aromatize and lacks progestin nature, making side effects related to estrogen, such as gynecomastia or excess water retention, impossible. In fact, Proviron may even exert an anti-estrogenic effect by impeding testosterone-to-estrogen conversion or significantly slowing it down. This is one of the points why its good for heightmaxxing, its literally a weak aromatase inhibitor.
[2] Androgenic: Proviron's androgenic nature may lead to side effects like acne, accelerated hair loss in individuals predisposed to male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. These effects are contingent upon genetic predispositions. Notably, the Mesterolone hormone is not metabolized by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, and there is no conversion to DHT. It is a dht steroid though. Consequently, 5-alpha reductase inhibitors like Finasteride have minimal to no impact on the steroid's androgenicity. This shows that it is good for androgenic changes, basically this means for people who don't know it will help to masculinize your face, more sexually dimphoric male features, facial hair growth, deep voice, etc. Doesn't do too much for penis growth though.
In women, the potent androgenicity of Proviron can induce severe virilization, encompassing body hair growth, deepening of vocal chords, and clitoral enlargement.
[3] Cardiovascular: The most concerning side effect of Proviron revolves around cardiovascular strain, particularly issues related to cholesterol. This anabolic steroid has the potential to negatively impact cholesterol at a more pronounced rate than many others. Monitoring cholesterol levels is crucial, especially for individuals with pre-existing high cholesterol. Proviron has been shown to reduce HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) by over 30% and increase LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) by more than 60%. Maintaining a cholesterol-friendly diet, rich in omega fatty acids, is imperative, along with supplements like fish oils. Limiting saturated fats and simple sugars, coupled with regular cardiovascular training, is also advised. I recommnd you to get your cholestrol checked once a month while on this, use discountedlabs.com for good prices. Also make sure to supplement fish oils and be healthy, do cardio while on this trust me.
[4] Testosterone: Proviron, like all anabolic steroids, suppresses natural testosterone production to some extent. However, studies suggest that the suppression is minimal, especially at doses below 150mg per day. Beyond this threshold, the rate of suppression increases. Despite the minimal impact on natural testosterone, a sensible approach involves including exogenous testosterone, particularly when using other highly suppressive steroids. You will not get supressed with this compound if you follow my directions!!!! Do not execeed 75 mg a day and don't cycle it past 6 weeks and you will be ok!!!!
[5] Hepatotoxicity: Remarkably, despite being an oral anabolic steroid, Proviron is not hepatotoxic. It lacks the C17-aa structure and does not impose stress or damage on the liver.
[6] Effect on SHBG(Sex Hormone Binding Globulin):
Proviron significantly impacts SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) by essentially lowering it. SHBG plays a crucial role in regulating free testosterone levels by binding to androgens and reducing their availability. Typically, when injecting testosterone, SHBG comes into play to maintain hormonal balance and prevent an excessively androgenic environment.
With Proviron, SHBG is effectively suppressed, creating a heightened androgenic environment. This alteration makes the body more receptive to androgens. It's advisable to monitor SHBG levels regularly, preferably monthly, while on Proviron. However, it's important to note that this sustained suppression of SHBG is not conducive to long-term health.
Effect on height: Not much here, but it does support bone growth so it could help with heightgrowth.
Androgenic to Anabolic Rating:
With an androgenic rating of 40 and an anabolic rating of 100 (compared to testosterone's 100-100), Proviron is characterized as moderately androgenic but highly anabolic. Despite its lower androgenic nature, it still plays a role in influencing dimorphism.
Doses and Cycles (Personal Experience):
Doses:For optimal results, a recommended dosage falls within the range of 25-75 mg. It's essential to avoid exceeding 75 mg to prevent suppression while ensuring that the dosage isn't too low for an effective outcome. Distributing the intake throughout the day is advisable, given Proviron's 12-13 hour half-life.
Cycle:A suggested cycle involves 6 weeks of Proviron use, followed by a 1-week off period. Alternatively, one may extend the off period to 2-3 weeks based on individual preferences. This cyclical approach aims to balance the benefits of Proviron while mitigating potential side effects
Personal Experience:
During the initial 1-3 weeks at 25 mg, I experienced slight hair shedding, a phenomenon not present before using the compound. As I increased the dosage to 50 mg in weeks 4-5, there was more hair shedding, but the trade-off was faster results. By week 6, dosing at 75 mg, there was a bit more hair shedding, but no significant hairline recession.
I observed faster growth of facial and body hair, along with elevated free testosterone levels. Acne developed, and there were subtle changes like a slightly deeper voice and a more masculine facial appearance. To address hair loss, I incorporated Rosemary oil and microneedling into my routine. For hair washing, a mixture of raw egg yolks, lemon, and apple cider vinegar proved effective.
Choosing this steroid during puberty aimed at maximizing dimorphism because it provides a significant effect without causing suppression or aromatization. While my primary goal is to maximize height, individuals with a focus on dimorphism may consider alternatives such as injecting testosterone.
