Pulling the maxilla only forwards

[000]

Will pulling the maxilla only forwards — not rotating it at all, therefore not changing the gonial angle — do this to the jaw theoretically?:

 

[lifestyle21873]

just get implants

 

[Darkstrand]

Probably not but idk you might get IMDO for the created overbite

 

[Lev Peshkov]

You cant pull maxilla forward jfl

 

[000]

You cant pull maxilla forward jfl

Can’t I just pull at a neutral angle (0°)?

 

[Maxout]

for some weird reason i felt like that has happened to be cuz of mewing , but dont really know fully

 

[000]

Probably not but idk you might get IMDO for the created overbite

What can I do to the maxilla to make my jaw remodel like that..theoretically.

 

[Darkstrand]

What can I do to the maxilla to make my jaw remodel like that..theoretically.

Probably nothing considering you aren't a child... I mean try facepulling but don't expect anything

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Will pulling the maxilla only forwards — not rotating it at all, therefore not changing the gonial angle — do this to the jaw theoretically?:
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No

 

[Sergio-OMS]

What can I do to the maxilla to make my jaw remodel like that..theoretically.

nothing, it won’t work. Don’t try anything, only surgery works.

 

[Deleted member 9274]

theoretically by chewing you make the masseters bigger and thus the ramus will also get bigger with time, making the gonial angle lower and moving the maxilla forwards without any downward growth while in puberty.

 

[000]

theoretically by chewing you make the masseters bigger and thus the ramus will also get bigger with time, making the gonial angle lower and moving the maxilla forwards without any downward growth while in puberty.

Will this increase chin height as well because the longer the ramus, the longer the chin height because the ramus needs a place to grow and it can only push off of that chin section of the mandible.

 

[000]

No

Is it possible to only pull the maxilla forwards or is this impossible

 

[Deleted member 9274]

Will this increase chin height as well because the longer the ramus, the longer the chin height because the ramus needs a place to grow and it can only push off of that chin section of the mandible.

No it wont. Otherwise the gonial angles will stay the same

 

[000]

No it wont. Otherwise the gonial angles will stay the same

I don’t want my jaw to get too Minecraft-like though

 

[Deleted member 9274]

I don’t want my jaw to get too Minecraft-like though

Lol are you coping that square is bad? Jfl

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Fortunately your problem is quite easy - you don't have downward growth you are Just recessed. In that case surgery like bimax or Modified Lefort 3 would ascend you hard
Surgery won't work while you have downward growth

 

[000]

Lol are you coping that square is bad? Jfl

It gets to a point where it’s just too much.

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Is it possible to only pull the maxilla forwards or is this impossible

Upper jaw-midface protraction in adults is possible but with very little effect. Barely 2 to 4 mm.

The lower jaw does not grow following the upper, nor remodels. At all.

 

[Deleted member 9274]

It gets to a point where it’s just too much.

Lol there is something called. 'Genetic limit'

 

[000]

Upper jaw-midface protraction in adults is possible but with very little effect. Barely 2 to 4 mm.

The lower jaw does not grow following the upper, nor remodels. At all.

Theoretically though, incase I want to recommend this to younger people, does the mandible follow like the yellow or the red when you pull it only forwards?:

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Mandibular growth potential and limit is set by genetics. It can be hindered by upper teeth that block the mandibular protrusion. It can also be hindered by diet and airway problems. But in many patients, in my opinion, it is just the other way: having a congenital small mandible affects the type of diet these kids can follow, and also predispose then to have airway problems.

If the upper jaw develops more that the mandible, the latest will not work adequately.

In kids, orthodontists can pull the mandible forward by taking the mandibular condyles out of the fossae. This makes the illusion of growing, but it isn’t, and this affects the joints and causes TMJ problems in the long term (sometimes short term)

In adults there are no chances to get that remodelling.

 

[SPFromNY914]

Will pulling the maxilla only forwards — not rotating it at all, therefore not changing the gonial angle — do this to the jaw theoretically?:
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But I wouldn't want to pull my lower forward if I have a bad gonial angle.(Unless you have a beard)

 

[SPFromNY914]

Upper jaw-midface protraction in adults is possible but with very little effect. Barely 2 to 4 mm.

The lower jaw does not grow following the upper, nor remodels. At all.

So there's no way to move the midface up and forward at all?

 

[Chintuck22]

The lower jaw does not grow following the upper, nor remodels. At all.

Not even with MSE+FM ? Not even by fixing overlaping teeths ??

Tempomandibular joint is attached to maxilla, so if mandible doesn't follow the upper jaw, you will be left with crossbite and overbite

That's my logical hypothesis

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Not even with MSE+FM ? Not even by fixing overlaping teeths ??

Tempomandibular joint is attached to maxilla, so if mandible doesn't follow the upper jaw, you will be left with crossbite and overbite

That's my logical hypothesis

The upper part of the TMJ is part of the temporal bone, not the maxilla.

When orthodontics protract the maxilla or move upper teeth forward the brain reprogramme (a bit) the jaw and facial muscles. The mandible is displaced forward a bit, sliding the condyles down the glenoid fossae.

If the patient had the mandible "blocked" backwards this is a favourable strategy, but most of the times with significant class II patients it is not at all beneficial, as the condyles start remodeling, muscles tend not to adapt completely, TMJ discs start clicking and eventually get completely displaced... pain starts... and the mandible does not grow, it is just posturing and condylar remodeling (TMJ damage with unstable orthodontic results)

There is a very little wiggle room in this strategy but, as MSE + FM in adults have very little effect and a posterior or concomitant orthodontic treatment is done, some corrections can be done afterward.

But, again, mandibles doesn't grow! if a significant upper jaw advancement is achieved, then a mandibular surgery has to be done to get a healthy bite and an aesthetic face. Unless the patient started with a retruded maxilla and a normally positioned mandible.

 

[000]

The upper part of the TMJ is part of the temporal bone, not the maxilla.

When orthodontics protract the maxilla or move upper teeth forward the brain reprogramme (a bit) the jaw and facial muscles. The mandible is displaced forward a bit, sliding the condyles down the glenoid fossae.

If the patient had the mandible "blocked" backwards this is a favourable strategy, but most of the times with significant class II patients it is not at all beneficial, as the condyles start remodeling, muscles tend not to adapt completely, TMJ discs start clicking and eventually get completely displaced... pain starts... and the mandible does not grow, it is just posturing and condylar remodeling (TMJ damage with unstable orthodontic results)

There is a very little wiggle room in this strategy but, as MSE + FM in adults have very little effect and a posterior or concomitant orthodontic treatment is done, some corrections can be done afterward.

But, again, mandibles doesn't grow! if a significant upper jaw advancement is achieved, then a mandibular surgery has to be done to get a healthy bite and an aesthetic face. Unless the patient started with a retruded maxilla and a normally positioned mandible.

@retard are you sure this shit grows now

 

[MadTwatter]

The upper part of the TMJ is part of the temporal bone, not the maxilla.

When orthodontics protract the maxilla or move upper teeth forward the brain reprogramme (a bit) the jaw and facial muscles. The mandible is displaced forward a bit, sliding the condyles down the glenoid fossae.

If the patient had the mandible "blocked" backwards this is a favourable strategy, but most of the times with significant class II patients it is not at all beneficial, as the condyles start remodeling, muscles tend not to adapt completely, TMJ discs start clicking and eventually get completely displaced... pain starts... and the mandible does not grow, it is just posturing and condylar remodeling (TMJ damage with unstable orthodontic results)

There is a very little wiggle room in this strategy but, as MSE + FM in adults have very little effect and a posterior or concomitant orthodontic treatment is done, some corrections can be done afterward.

But, again, mandibles doesn't grow! if a significant upper jaw advancement is achieved, then a mandibular surgery has to be done to get a healthy bite and an aesthetic face. Unless the patient started with a retruded maxilla and a normally positioned mandible.

After pulling the maxilla forward, the mandible “auto-rotates” and moves forward accommodate the new position, no? Is that not Mew’s entire career?

 

[lutte]

The upper part of the TMJ is part of the temporal bone, not the maxilla.

When orthodontics protract the maxilla or move upper teeth forward the brain reprogramme (a bit) the jaw and facial muscles. The mandible is displaced forward a bit, sliding the condyles down the glenoid fossae.

If the patient had the mandible "blocked" backwards this is a favourable strategy, but most of the times with significant class II patients it is not at all beneficial, as the condyles start remodeling, muscles tend not to adapt completely, TMJ discs start clicking and eventually get completely displaced... pain starts... and the mandible does not grow, it is just posturing and condylar remodeling (TMJ damage with unstable orthodontic results)

There is a very little wiggle room in this strategy but, as MSE + FM in adults have very little effect and a posterior or concomitant orthodontic treatment is done, some corrections can be done afterward.

But, again, mandibles doesn't grow! if a significant upper jaw advancement is achieved, then a mandibular surgery has to be done to get a healthy bite and an aesthetic face. Unless the patient started with a retruded maxilla and a normally positioned mandible.

Can i PM you some pics of my bite and jaw? I have some questions about prior orthodontics and what to do going forward

 

[retard]

@retard are you sure this shit grows now

I’ve never been 100% sure but imo it does

 

[Deleted member 8699]

Will pulling the maxilla only forwards — not rotating it at all, therefore not changing the gonial angle — do this to the jaw theoretically?:
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pure autism
u wont improve anything

 

[Deleted member 5912]

Fortunately your problem is quite easy - you don't have downward growth you are Just recessed. In that case surgery like bimax or Modified Lefort 3 would ascend you hard
Surgery won't work while you have downward growth

is there a way to reverse downgrowth?
ccw?

 

[Deleted member 5385]

is there a way to reverse downgrowth?
ccw?

Some studies show changes in maxilla forward and upward displacement but were done on models do we don't have good proofs yet.
Ask @Aeons @curryslayerordeath and @Sergio-OMS - they have greater knowledge than me in this topic

 

[000]

I’ve never been 100% sure but imo it does

Well it better. If it doesn’t than I will rope.

 

[orthochadic]

Will pulling the maxilla only forwards — not rotating it at all, therefore not changing the gonial angle — do this to the jaw theoretically?:
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they actually move your lower jaw at the condyle level during orthotropics.
But in orthodontics they will send you to a maxillo facial surgeon who will then do a bsso and do what you show on the screen

 

[Chintuck22]

The upper part of the TMJ is part of the temporal bone, not the maxilla.

When orthodontics protract the maxilla or move upper teeth forward the brain reprogramme (a bit) the jaw and facial muscles. The mandible is displaced forward a bit, sliding the condyles down the glenoid fossae.

If the patient had the mandible "blocked" backwards this is a favourable strategy, but most of the times with significant class II patients it is not at all beneficial, as the condyles start remodeling, muscles tend not to adapt completely, TMJ discs start clicking and eventually get completely displaced... pain starts... and the mandible does not grow, it is just posturing and condylar remodeling (TMJ damage with unstable orthodontic results)

There is a very little wiggle room in this strategy but, as MSE + FM in adults have very little effect and a posterior or concomitant orthodontic treatment is done, some corrections can be done afterward.

But, again, mandibles doesn't grow! if a significant upper jaw advancement is achieved, then a mandibular surgery has to be done to get a healthy bite and an aesthetic face. Unless the patient started with a retruded maxilla and a normally positioned mandible.

But how do you explain decrease in ramus? I know you don't believe in bone changes after puberty but there are people who decreased their ramus with chewing (most bodybuildings on steroids), i'm not even kidding, you can look it up

Antegonial notch cannot grow tho, but gonial angle can change !?

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

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