Question about Chin To Philtrum Ratio

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I have a small philtrum and a chin I think is too long. Now I'm planning to get a Lefort 1 in the future, the surgeon told me I could do downgrafting of the maxilla to balance out the chin to philtrum ratio, but as much as I've researched and seen comparison photos, a small philtrum is ideal and shouldn't be messed with. She also offered genioplasty for making the chin a bit shorter, but also I've read here that many of yall praise bigger chins and are against smaller ones (ik proportions and ratios are the most important, but still).

So my question is, how should I go about it? Should I just avoid downgrafting and go for genioplasty for reducing chin's vertical height (a.k.a my current plan) or should I get some downgrafting aswell? Or should I avoid vertical chin reduction from genio and just get the normal one (my chin is slightly recessed)?

I'm also aware that the nose will get a bit more upturned from upper jaw surgery, thus making my philtrum appear a little longer anyways, but this shouldn't affect the actual measurement of the philtrum.

Also I tried measuring my CPR at home, my philtrum was around 11-12mm while my Chin was like 40-45mm at least (yeah JFL ik). Idk if the measurements are correct, and no my chin doesn't look like crazy overly prominent like ogre level shit (which is why I doubt my measurements were correct lol), it's just too long for my liking and I think it fucks with my looks a bit and my self-measured CPR seems to back it up.

 

[AustrianMogger]

I have a small philtrum and a chin I think is too long. Now I'm planning to get a Lefort 1 in the future, the surgeon told me I could do downgrafting of the maxilla to balance out the chin to philtrum ratio, but as much as I've researched and seen comparison photos, a small philtrum is ideal and shouldn't be messed with. She also offered genioplasty for making the chin a bit shorter, but also I've read here that many of yall praise bigger chins and are against smaller ones (ik proportions and ratios are the most important, but still).

So my question is, how should I go about it? Should I just avoid downgrafting and go for genioplasty for reducing chin's vertical height (a.k.a my current plan) or should I get some downgrafting aswell? Or should I avoid vertical chin reduction from genio and just get the normal one (my chin is slightly recessed)?

I'm also aware that the nose will get a bit more upturned from upper jaw surgery, thus making my philtrum appear a little longer anyways, but this shouldn't affect the actual measurement of the philtrum.

Also I tried measuring my CPR at home, my philtrum was around 11-12mm while my Chin was like 40-45mm at least (yeah JFL ik). Idk if the measurements are correct, and no my chin doesn't look like crazy overly prominent like ogre level shit (which is why I doubt my measurements were correct lol), it's just too long for my liking and I think it fucks with my looks a bit and my self-measured CPR seems to back it up.

just get lipp lift.

 

[savemebimax]

If your philtrum is small and your overall midface ratio is within the normal range then a bimax with chin height reduction sounds best if your chin is really that tall that it's throwing off ratios. Impossible to say without pictures.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

If your philtrum is small and your overall midface ratio is within the normal range then a bimax with chin height reduction sounds best if your chin is really that tall that it's throwing off ratios. Impossible to say without pictures.

I haven't done any scans yet, but just by looking at it my maxfac told me that I don't need a BSSO. I've read that CCW rotation could make my chin look smaller from the front, so maybe I'll talk to her about it. And yes my philtrum is small, and I like it, I don't really want to make it bigger at all.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

If your philtrum is small and your overall midface ratio is within the normal range then a bimax with chin height reduction sounds best if your chin is really that tall that it's throwing off ratios. Impossible to say without pictures.

I'll get the full on face scans so I can see my maxillary recession clearly and see IF my lower jaw needs anything. My chin is a bit recessed so I'd like to go through with a genio anyways. And ik it's hard to tell without a pic.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

just get lipp lift.

My philtrum is small already.

 

[98771245]

Skip the downgraft and go with a slight vertical chin reduction genioplasty instead, it’ll balance your face without ruining your ideal short philtrum

 

[Mansur]

All that just to fix one ratio. Dont do it unless it looks deformed

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

All that just to fix one ratio. Dont do it unless it looks deformed

No im getting a lefort 1 anyways due to my recessed maxilla. And my chin is slightly recessed anyways.

 

[Vascul]

how about i give u my long philtrum and u give me ur short philtrum

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

how about i give u my long philtrum and u give me ur short philtrum

I would but you are too pretty already bhai

 

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Lengthen ur philtrum slightly and ccw rotation ur probably downgrown with weird philtrjm genetics

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Lengthen ur philtrum slightly and ccw rotation ur probably downgrown with weird philtrjm genetics

Ion rly wanna lengthen my philtrum tbh, I'll see what I can do, my ortho visit is in a month for the braces plan, I'll discuss this further with my surgeon, she is very skilled maxfac and one of the best in our country, but the fact that she put forward the idea to downgraft me to balance out my CPR gives me a weird vibe tbh lol. I mean she also gave a genio alternative so that kinda makes me feel better ig. Like I wan't to avoid downgrafting at all costs. And philtrum is also determined by the maxilla, mine is a bit recessed so that's why I'm getting lefort 1 in the first place.

But she did my buccal fat removal so I know she aint retarded.

 

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Ion rly wanna lengthen my philtrum tbh, I'll see what I can do, my ortho visit is in a month for the braces plan, I'll discuss this further with my surgeon, she is very skilled maxfac and one of the best in our country, but the fact that she put forward the idea to downgraft me to balance out my CPR gives me a weird vibe tbh lol. I mean she also gave a genio alternative so that kinda makes me feel better ig. Like I wan't to avoid downgrafting at all costs. And philtrum is also determined by the maxilla, mine is a bit recessed so that's why I'm getting lefort 1 in the first place.

But she did my buccal fat removal so I know she aint retarded.

12 mm philtrjm is slightly short, should be around 13-15

Whats ur midface ratio?

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

12 mm philtrjm is slightly short, should be around 13-15

I measured it with a ruler in front of a mirror so might have been inaccurate.

Idk my midface ratio, I'm getting a CT scan soon but idk if I can measure my midface ratio from that.

 

[edodalic29]

1:3 chin to philtrum is ideal

Morph mogger tier