Question about God [Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus GTFIH]

[inversions]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

@Mainlander lmk if this is a good question

@ZyzzReincarnate is knowledgeable i think

 

[Spieldren]

none of that exist you are giga coping if you think doing a ritual and cutting your finger and pouring blood on a stone sells your soul and makes you a millionaire

 

[Mainlander]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

@Mainlander lmk if this is a good question

@ZyzzReincarnate is knowledgeable i think

IDK Im not religious

 

[CaZaDor]

because god is evil and a MAJOR dickhead.
he laugh's at the plebs suffering

 

[inversions]

Shut your dumb ass up none of that exist you are giga coping if you think doing a ritual and cutting your finger and pouring blood on a stone sells your soul and makes you a millionaire

I hate people who can't hold a conversation

If you don't believe in it, it doesn't mean religious people don't?

 

[inversions]

IDK Im not religious

Do you know anybody religious

 

[NiZr]

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

“if the principle has all the power why doesn’t he remove tests from schools”
The devil tests you and tempts you, out of your own free will you choose to follow him.

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

you do, you enter his kingdom which is heaven, you think material items on earth are all that matters when God tells us not to worship material items on earth, but rather follow him. Why would worshipping God reward you with something that goes against God’s word?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

God gave people free will, a lot of pain and suffering people have is out of others free will, we could easily feed every single person in the world but corporations and governments choose not to because it doesn’t make money, same with disease, companies don’t make money if you’re not sick. Most suffering you see on earth is man made. The suffering that isn’t man made is just a test by God, you’re meant to endure, those who have the toughest tests on earth have a spot in God’s kingdom.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

God never made that a secret, possibly the most known thing about religions. People choose to worship the devil out of their own greed and free will, no one forces you to worship the devil and God always forgives people who repent

 

[imontheloose]

Wear some cat ears and I’ll let God know that you deserve heaven.

 

[Spieldren]

I hate people who can't hold a conversation

If you don't believe in it, it doesn't mean religious people don't?

Alright bro let's hold an argument.
You ask

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Its because none of that exist and there is no proof of it existing. We are arguing on different levels.

It's easier to go to a church on Sunday and expect that God owes you something because you believe in him so dearly.

But the reason you always feel empty even with God and now turn to the "Devil" as you said you wanna sacrifice your soul, is because none of that exists.

You expect there is a higher power who will make all your wonders come true when in reality the life is just a miserable set of events and coincidences but people like you would rather cope and lie with fantasies.

Like objectively looking at your question I feel like a retarded kid is asking this who still believes in Greek mythology.

It's all tales and there is not even a singular proof of God's existance

 

[imontheloose]

“if the principle has all the power why doesn’t he remove tests from schools”
The devil tests you and tempts you, out of your own free will you choose to follow him.

21st century human male ^

 

[inversions]

Wear some cat ears and I’ll let God know that you deserve heaven.

Hold on I'm reading a long response while barely being able to read

 

[inversions]

Alright bro let's hold an argument.
You ask

Its because none of that exist and there is no proof of it existing. We are arguing on different levels.

It's easier to go to a church on Sunday and expect that God owes you something because you believe in him so dearly.

But the reason you always feel empty even with God and now turn to the "Devil" as you said you wanna sacrifice your soul, is because none of that exists.

You expect there is a higher power who will make all your wonders come true when in reality the life is just a miserable set of events and coincidences but people like you would rather cope and lie with fantasies.

Like objectively looking at your question I feel like a retarded kid is asking this who still believes in Greek mythology.

It's all tales and there is not even a singular proof of God's existance

I literally don't believe in either

I want to hear from the POV of religious people LOL

 

[NiZr]

21st century human male ^
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you laugh at me while you’re entire life is driven by a want for man made items, paying for them by man made money, while worrying about man made problems. If we go by your faith and nothing truly matters or happens after u die then why do you continue trying or doing anything in life? why not just give up if nothing is gonna matter after death? Also religion has been a thing since the birth of humanity, wdym “21st century male”

 

[imontheloose]

you laugh at me while you’re entire life is driven by a want for man made items, paying for them by man made money, while worrying about man made problems. If we go by your faith and nothing truly matters or happens after u die then why do you continue trying or doing anything in life? why not just give up if nothing is gonna matter after death?

I literally think everything is useless and meaningless and want to die. I’m the worst person you could’ve said this to.

Nothing matters. I emotively live for no reason. Theists are deluded and merely replace their physics incredulity with an equally mysterious semantic.

Why don’t you just worship God all day everyday and do nothing else? If you die praying to God, you’d go straight to heaven. Notice how the argument can be flipped?

 

[NiZr]

I literally think everything is useless and meaningless and want to die. I’m the worst person you could’ve said this to.

Nothing matters. I merely emotively live. Theists are deluded and merely replace their physics incredulity with an equally mysterious semantic.

then do it, if nothing matters then why aren’t you dead yet? why are you still talking to me instead of getting it over and done with already? is something worth living for since ur not dead right now?

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

@Mainlander lmk if this is a good question

@ZyzzReincarnate is knowledgeable i think

not only would you be left empty and unsatisfied in this world, even after getting all worldly things you could ever desire, you'd lose your eternity on top of that. so its just never worth it tbh.

 

[inversions]

God always forgives people who repent

Just a quick question before I actually respond to the entire thing.

Can I sell my soul for a few million then repent?

Or like commit mass genocide and then repent?

 

[imontheloose]

then do it, if nothing matters then why aren’t you dead yet? why are you still talking to me instead of getting it over and done with already? is something worth living for since ur not dead right now?

Nothing is worth living for. I hope to die soon, I continue because my brain doesn’t signal the want to die as absolutely necessary at the moment. Even if I say, I love life and live because I want to, what’s the argument, exactly?

This is a pathetic “argument” against atheism when all it is, is asking a nihilist why they aren’t dead. I prescribe no meaning to anything, simple. You make meaning from nothing out of a supernatural sky daddy of no evidence; that is done out of your own incredulity. If that keeps you going then by all means, enjoy your time, but it’s an awfully unimpressive mind.

 

[inversions]

not only would you be left empty and unsatisfied in this world, even after getting all worldly things you could ever desire, you'd lose your eternity on top of that. so its just never worth it tbh.

Doesn't answer

 

[svarddre]

NEVER make a deal with the devil

Under ANY circumstances

 

[NiZr]

Just a quick question before I actually respond to the entire thing.

Can I sell my soul for a few million then repent?

Or like commit mass genocide and then repent?

yeah, but it doesn’t work like that. You can’t just be committing a sin with the aim of doing something bad then just saying i’m gonna repent later it’ll be ok. Repenting has to come with actual regret, guilt and a want to change. I can’t just hit you then immediately say i repent because im scared if the consequences. Just the same way you can’t exploit people for the entirety of ur life then give away everything before you die because you think it will get you into heaven. You have to do good deeds out of the kindness of your heart not a fear of punishment

 

[inversions]

“if the principle has all the power why doesn’t he remove tests from schools”
The devil tests you and tempts you, out of your own free will you choose to follow him.


you do, you enter his kingdom which is heaven, you think material items on earth are all that matters when God tells us not to worship material items on earth, but rather follow him. Why would worshipping God reward you with something that goes against God’s word?

God gave people free will, a lot of pain and suffering people have is out of others free will, we could easily feed every single person in the world but corporations and governments choose not to because it doesn’t make money, same with disease, companies don’t make money if you’re not sick. Most suffering you see on earth is man made. The suffering that isn’t man made is just a test by God, you’re meant to endure, those who have the toughest tests on earth have a spot in God’s kingdom.


God never made that a secret, possibly the most known thing about religions. People choose to worship the devil out of their own greed and free will, no one forces you to worship the devil and God always forgives people who repent

Yeah but many people argue that all the rich and powerful people creating these issues in the world are satanic and stuff.

Surely it would be a net positive to get rid of the Devil.

I don't understand why the Devil is not dead.

I would kill the devil if I could and bless everyone.

If God has the ability to make both the world nice and heaven nice, why isn't he?

 

[inversions]

yeah, but it doesn’t work like that. You can’t just be committing a sin with the aim of doing something bad then just saying i’m gonna repent later it’ll be ok. Repenting has to come with actual regret, guilt and a want to change. I can’t just hit you then immediately say i repent because im scared if the consequences. Just the same way you can’t exploit people for the entirety of ur life then give away everything before you die because you think it will get you into heaven. You have to do good deeds out of the kindness of your heart not a fear of punishment

Is it really free will if I end up in hell though mate

Where I have no free will

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Doesn't answer

is your question the "if God real then why bad?" bc thats been answered a million times

suffering is a consequence of free will. original sin unlocked knowledge of good and evil. Good being everything God wanted existence to be, and Evil being everything God DIDN'T want existence to be.

Also its never pleasure and happiness that brings people to God, its always suffering. Not because he wants us to suffer, but, if he didn't allow suffering to occur, how could we grow as people? How could we come to know we need him? Thats like saying a parent doesn't love their child because they discipline them and don't just give them everything they want and take away all suffering in life from them. That is not how you parent. It's well known how spoiled kids turn out, that is what the devil offers. God offers a genuine relationship, and a peace that is not determined by the things of this world.

Does that make sense?

 

[newgen/cel]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

You have like five questions in one here dood but I’ll try from as an atheist-muslim (agnostic) giving views from both perspectives

Atheist perspectives:
Q1: it’s a story so muh good guy can’t kill bad guy cus he’s morally good!1!!

Q2: the reason it doesn’t work is god doesn’t exist, neither does selling your soul (not a verified thing to be real)

Q3: he doesn’t because he is (against what religious people say) not all-good

Muslim perspective;
Q1: he does not kill the devil because it is your fault you fall for the deception when god has given you so many chances to stay with him and not turn to evil powerful beings, he doesn’t make you rich in order to delay your gratification into heaven and making you enjoy more wealth in the hereafter,

Q2:again god will not simply “give you” the wealth. If the evidence were overbearingly true for his existence there would be no questioning, no thinking over the existence of him, god would rather you use logical deduction to justify his existence rather than you just believe in him blindly, (this is specifically mentioned in Islam but I can’t be bothered citing a specific source) he’d rather help your business thrive as you pray for that, coming through natural means. But if your prayers do not work, the prayers have either went to other issues in your life, or again, the money is going to be in the hereafter and will not be useful in this world, as it is finite and the next is infinite.

Q3: he lets people worship the devil again for the same reasoning I mentioned earlier, and also some you mentioned actually, if people prayed to the devil they admit he exists but not god? And if they do they’d rather pray to the guy who owns hell and not heaven? Pretty obvious god lets them because it’s their fault they pray to him,

It was pretty rambly and yappery but I hope it helped how you view those questions

 

[NiZr]

Yeah but many people argue that all the rich and powerful people creating these issues in the world are satanic and stuff.

Surely it would be a net positive to get rid of the Devil.

I don't understand why the Devil is not dead.

I would kill the devil if I could and bless everyone.

If God has the ability to make both the world nice and heaven nice, why isn't he?

He did, that’s what the garden of eden was, but humanities greed led them out of it. Also the devil doesn’t kill or do bad deeds himself, but rather tempts people. Everyone has free will, they can choose whether to do the evil or not. If i tempted you to cheat on a test in school and you suffer consequences, is it me getting in trouble or you? also that is Gods plan, In the bible it says Jesus is coming back to judge everyone and making earth in the image of his kingdom and defeating satan once and for all. For now we just have to keep faith in God

 

[NiZr]

Is it really free will if I end up in hell though mate

Where I have no free will

it’s your choice whether you want to commit a bad deed or not. Heaven or Hell are just consequences of your choices

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Islamic perspective:

Life is a test, in a test there are right and wrong answers, in this case you as a person can do good or bad in this life which will determine your afterlife. Heaven is for the good doers who stayed steadfast and remained faithful to God, so each and every human being is tested in their own way in this life and will eventually be judged by God on the day of judgment and their fate will be determined.

 

[inversions]

is your question the "if God real then why bad?" bc thats been answered a million times

suffering is a consequence of free will. original sin unlocked knowledge of good and evil. Good being everything God wanted existence to be, and Evil being everything God DIDN'T want existence to be.

Also its never pleasure and happiness that brings people to God, its always suffering. Not because he wants us to suffer, but, if he didn't allow suffering to occur, how could we grow as people? How could we come to know we need him? Thats like saying a parent doesn't love their child because they discipline them and don't just give them everything they want and take away all suffering in life from them. That is not how you parent. It's well known how spoiled kids turn out, that is what the devil offers. God offers a genuine relationship, and a peace that is not determined by the things of this world.

Does that make sense?

Yeah I guess but why doesn't he just remove the devil from the equation

Cuz all the elites and rich people (who cause the disparities and stuff) hve apparently sold their souls

Surely the disparities created will just reinforce a cycle of more and more people

God has allowed these people to be deep rooted into society

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Yeah I guess but why doesn't he just remove the devil from the equation

Cuz all the elites and rich people (who cause the disparities and stuff) hve apparently sold their souls

Surely the disparities created will just reinforce a cycle of more and more people

God has allowed these people to be deep rooted into society

He already removed the devil from the equation. We know how the story ends. God exists outside of time. It's already finished.


God also gave the angels free will, too, you know.

 

[inversions]

Q1: he does not kill the devil because it is your fault you fall for the deception when god has given you so many chances to stay with him and not turn to evil powerful beings, he doesn’t make you rich in order to delay your gratification into heaven and making you enjoy more wealth in the hereafter,

Not really mate.

If God made me a crippled, subhuman and poor person living in Bangladesh, has he really given me many chances when the Devil is offering me a direct way out?

if people prayed to the devil they admit he exists but not god? And if they do they’d rather pray to the guy who owns hell and not heaven? Pretty obvious god lets them because it’s their fault they pray to him,

this makes sense

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

this makes sense

yeah why would you worship something that was created by God thats just retarded lol especially when eternity is in question

If God made me a crippled, subhuman and poor person living in Bangladesh, has he really given me many chances when the Devil is offering me a direct way out?

devil wouldnt be offering you a genuine way out. Sure, you'd be presented with convenient-sounding options, but God offers a spiritual joy that no worldly circumstances can get in the way of, and in fact, a surplus of worldly possessions makes it more difficult to connect with God. This is due to you becoming accustomed to and comfortable with worldly pleasures. The more of that you have, the more difficult it is to let go of. That is why it is said in Matthew 19:24;

"And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

 

[newgen/cel]

Not really mate.

If God made me a crippled, subhuman and poor person living in Bangladesh, has he really given me many chances when the Devil is offering me a direct way out?

this makes sense

trust me the devil is not returning your bodies functions, and also all those are only curses in this world, if you keep praying to god and stay faithful knowing these “curses” are tests in order to persevere (rather than questions god and his decisions) you are granted the ability to be a fully functioning trillionaire gigachad in heaven with all the foids you want, as attractive as you want, (remember the 72 wives)

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Nothing is worth living for. I hope to die soon, I continue because my brain doesn’t signal the want to die as absolutely necessary at the moment. Even if I say, I love life and live because I want to, what’s the argument, exactly?

JFL you realize that modern science barely understands the brain and our consciousness at all right? It's more ridiculous to believe your desire to live is a result of a lack of a "signal to want to die" but its much more than that. You probably can walk on both feet, have both arms, and are an able-bodied person. You focus on everything you don't have and neglect all the blessings you were given

A mentality like that would have you unsatisfied at the end of the day no matter how many worldly things you could be given.

I'm sure there is people you've loved in your life or have loved you. (Family is a good example) The way you feel about them assuming you're on good terms, is the kind of love I'm talking about. Love that denies itself for the better of another, for nothing in return. That is what Jesus Christ did on the cross. You can call it a "sky daddy" or whatever you want, but he is the only person to have ever died and brought himself back to life. That is a telltale sign of divinity.

 

[imontheloose]

JFL you realize that modern science barely understands the brain and our consciousness at all right? It's more ridiculous to believe your desire to live is a result of a lack of a "signal to want to die" but its much more than that. You probably can walk on both feet, have both arms, and are an able-bodied person. You focus on everything you don't have and neglect all the blessings you were given

A mentality like that would have you unsatisfied at the end of the day no matter how many worldly things you could be given.

I'm sure there is people you've loved in your life or have loved you. (Family is a good example) The way you feel about them assuming you're on good terms, is the kind of love I'm talking about. Love that denies itself for the better of another, for nothing in return. That is what Jesus Christ did on the cross. You can call it a "sky daddy" or whatever you want, but he is the only person to have ever died and brought himself back to life. That is a telltale sign of divinity.

Lacking understanding of how something works doesn’t give sufficient reason to say “oh well God did it”, this is the God of the gaps mistake and it’s very deeply unimpressive. All you do is replace the physical mystery with an equally mysterious semantic mystery.

Your divinity comes from an unverified folktale told many years after Jesus died. I remain unconvinced. I’m not trying to convince you of atheism, if you’re happy believing some Jew on a stick is who you must bow down to, then go ahead.

 

[Daddy's Home]

God gave people free will

Life is a test, in a test there are right and wrong answers

"And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

if you keep praying to god and stay faithful knowing these “curses” are tests in order to persevere

If there ever existed in the history of the human civilization & species / if there is now or will ever be any entity superior to humanity of any kind, she deserves to suffer for eternity in the most morbid ways possible for what she allowed / let happen to this innocent 17-year-old girl in the last 44 days of her life..



This below was the real experience that Junko Furuta lived through in this universal existence, not books, not fairy tales, no movies, for 44 days, after she was taken from the street while walking home from school, in late November 1988 to January 4, 1989, and no form of god or any other fairy tale can find even one reason why that thing should ever have happened to a human being..

Spoiler: REAL Hell On Earth

• Repeated gang rapes — assaulted hundreds of times by the four main perpetrators and additional men they invited (up to over 100 assaults total, including group rapes involving objects like bottles and metal rods forced into her vagina and anus).
• 
  
• Severe beatings — punched repeatedly in the face (causing swelling and disfigurement), beaten with fists, kicked, lifted and dropped onto hard surfaces, struck with an iron exercise ball dropped multiple times onto her abdomen (causing internal rupturing and convulsions), and used as a "punching bag" while hung from the ceiling.
• 
  
• Cigarette and lighter burns — burned extensively across her body with cigarettes and lighters, including on arms, legs, thighs, hands, ankles, and genital area (one instance involved burning her genitals with a match after shaving her pubic hair).
• Lighter fluid burns — doused with lighter fluid on thighs, hands, arms, face, and stomach multiple times, then set alight, causing severe third-degree burns and pus-filled infections.
• 
  
• Hot wax torture — hot wax dripped from a lit candle onto her face; two shortened (likely lit) candles placed directly on her eyelids, causing burns to the eyelid area (though no confirmed permanent prevention of eye closure).
• 
  
• Foreign object insertions — forced insertion of various objects into her vagina and anus, including bottles, iron rods, scissors, a broken light bulb, and lit fireworks exploded inside her (causing massive internal damage, bleeding, and incontinence).
• 
  
• Forced ingestion and deprivation — made to drink her own urine, eat live cockroaches, inhale paint thinner fumes, smoke multiple cigarettes at once, and consume large amounts of alcohol/milk/water; starved for extended periods (fed only minimal food or milk, leading to severe malnourishment and inability to process fluids without vomiting).
• 
  
• Cold exposure and isolation — forced to sleep naked or minimally clothed on a cold balcony in winter and locked in a freezer for periods, exacerbating her injuries and hypothermia risk.
• 
  
• Hand and foot burns — deliberate burning of hands and feet with lighter fluid/flames, causing such severe damage that she lost mobility, could not grip objects, and took over an hour to crawl downstairs.
• 
  
• Final fatal assault — on January 4, 1989, after losing a game, the perpetrators poured lighter fluid over her body (legs, arms, face, stomach), set her on fire for approximately two hours while beating her continuously; she died from traumatic shock, extensive burns, and internal injuries.

 

[inversions]

If there ever existed in the history of the human civilization & species / if there is now or will ever be any entity superior to humanity of any kind, she deserves to suffer for eternity in the most morbid ways possible for what she allowed / let happen to this innocent 17-year-old girl in the last 44 days of her life..



This below was the real experience that Junko Furuta lived through in this universal experience, not books, not fairy tales, no movies, for 44 days, after she was taken from the street while walking home from school, in late November 1988 to January 4, 1989, and no form of god or any other fairy tale can find even one reason why that thing should ever have happened to a human being..

Spoiler: REAL Hell On Earth

• Repeated gang rapes — assaulted hundreds of times by the four main perpetrators and additional men they invited (up to over 100 assaults total, including group rapes involving objects like bottles and metal rods forced into her vagina and anus).
• 
  
• Severe beatings — punched repeatedly in the face (causing swelling and disfigurement), beaten with fists, kicked, lifted and dropped onto hard surfaces, struck with an iron exercise ball dropped multiple times onto her abdomen (causing internal rupturing and convulsions), and used as a "punching bag" while hung from the ceiling.
• 
  
• Cigarette and lighter burns — burned extensively across her body with cigarettes and lighters, including on arms, legs, thighs, hands, ankles, and genital area (one instance involved burning her genitals with a match after shaving her pubic hair).
• Lighter fluid burns — doused with lighter fluid on thighs, hands, arms, face, and stomach multiple times, then set alight, causing severe third-degree burns and pus-filled infections.
• 
  
• Hot wax torture — hot wax dripped from a lit candle onto her face; two shortened (likely lit) candles placed directly on her eyelids, causing burns to the eyelid area (though no confirmed permanent prevention of eye closure).
• 
  
• Foreign object insertions — forced insertion of various objects into her vagina and anus, including bottles, iron rods, scissors, a broken light bulb, and lit fireworks exploded inside her (causing massive internal damage, bleeding, and incontinence).
• 
  
• Forced ingestion and deprivation — made to drink her own urine, eat live cockroaches, inhale paint thinner fumes, smoke multiple cigarettes at once, and consume large amounts of alcohol/milk/water; starved for extended periods (fed only minimal food or milk, leading to severe malnourishment and inability to process fluids without vomiting).
• 
  
• Cold exposure and isolation — forced to sleep naked or minimally clothed on a cold balcony in winter and locked in a freezer for periods, exacerbating her injuries and hypothermia risk.
• 
  
• Hand and foot burns — deliberate burning of hands and feet with lighter fluid/flames, causing such severe damage that she lost mobility, could not grip objects, and took over an hour to crawl downstairs.
• 
  
• Final fatal assault — on January 4, 1989, after losing a game, the perpetrators poured lighter fluid over her body (legs, arms, face, stomach), set her on fire for approximately two hours while beating her continuously; she died from traumatic shock, extensive burns, and internal injuries.

Yeah she didn't have free will, did she?

 

[Gamerspyy786]

If there ever existed in the history of the human civilization & species / if there is now or will ever be any entity superior to humanity of any kind, she deserves to suffer for eternity in the most morbid ways possible for what she allowed / let happen to this innocent 17-year-old girl in the last 44 days of her life..



This below was the real experience that Junko Furuta lived through in this universal experience, not books, not fairy tales, no movies, for 44 days, after she was taken from the street while walking home from school, in late November 1988 to January 4, 1989, and no form of god or any other fairy tale can find even one reason why that thing should ever have happened to a human being..

Spoiler: REAL Hell On Earth

• Repeated gang rapes — assaulted hundreds of times by the four main perpetrators and additional men they invited (up to over 100 assaults total, including group rapes involving objects like bottles and metal rods forced into her vagina and anus).
• 
  
• Severe beatings — punched repeatedly in the face (causing swelling and disfigurement), beaten with fists, kicked, lifted and dropped onto hard surfaces, struck with an iron exercise ball dropped multiple times onto her abdomen (causing internal rupturing and convulsions), and used as a "punching bag" while hung from the ceiling.
• 
  
• Cigarette and lighter burns — burned extensively across her body with cigarettes and lighters, including on arms, legs, thighs, hands, ankles, and genital area (one instance involved burning her genitals with a match after shaving her pubic hair).
• Lighter fluid burns — doused with lighter fluid on thighs, hands, arms, face, and stomach multiple times, then set alight, causing severe third-degree burns and pus-filled infections.
• 
  
• Hot wax torture — hot wax dripped from a lit candle onto her face; two shortened (likely lit) candles placed directly on her eyelids, causing burns to the eyelid area (though no confirmed permanent prevention of eye closure).
• 
  
• Foreign object insertions — forced insertion of various objects into her vagina and anus, including bottles, iron rods, scissors, a broken light bulb, and lit fireworks exploded inside her (causing massive internal damage, bleeding, and incontinence).
• 
  
• Forced ingestion and deprivation — made to drink her own urine, eat live cockroaches, inhale paint thinner fumes, smoke multiple cigarettes at once, and consume large amounts of alcohol/milk/water; starved for extended periods (fed only minimal food or milk, leading to severe malnourishment and inability to process fluids without vomiting).
• 
  
• Cold exposure and isolation — forced to sleep naked or minimally clothed on a cold balcony in winter and locked in a freezer for periods, exacerbating her injuries and hypothermia risk.
• 
  
• Hand and foot burns — deliberate burning of hands and feet with lighter fluid/flames, causing such severe damage that she lost mobility, could not grip objects, and took over an hour to crawl downstairs.
• 
  
• Final fatal assault — on January 4, 1989, after losing a game, the perpetrators poured lighter fluid over her body (legs, arms, face, stomach), set her on fire for approximately two hours while beating her continuously; she died from traumatic shock, extensive burns, and internal injuries.

Did you even take in what I just said…

Evil exists, in small and large forms. This was one of the evils of mankind and on the day of judgement the people will have to face the repercussion of their actions unless on that day she decides to forgive them.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Lacking understanding of how something works doesn’t give sufficient reason to say “oh well God did it”,

JFL at you i never said this and its quite intellectually dishonest coming from the person who assumes he is correct, without a shadow of a doubt, that his will to live being just "signals in his brain"

All you do is replace the physical mystery with an equally mysterious semantic mystery.

and you presume that the unlikelyness of existence coming about by coincidence as opposed to all the evidence pointing towards intelligent design, that we're here for no reason and you exist with complex emotions, a soul, deep personality, and unique appearance like nobody else by pure fucking coincidence. jfl if you believe that u should be gambling 24/7 and playing the lottery daily.

Your divinity comes from an unverified folktale told many years after Jesus died.

That is completely untrue. We have tons of manuscripts written by eyewitnesses of Jesus himself and eyewitnesses of his apostles.

I’m not trying to convince you of atheism, if you’re happy believing some Jew on a stick is who you must bow down to, then go ahead.

your whole belief against Christianity stems from the belief that recognizing God's existence means you lose your freedom. You wish to continue living in sin without the feeling of God looming over you, but in reality, you're enslaved by it. Jesus presented you a choice whether to follow him or not. Sin consumed you through deception, and you have become enslaved to your sinful desires. What you don't realize though, is that the grace of God can mend and repair the desires of your heart. The more free you are from the desire to sin, the more free you TRULY are.

 

[NiZr]

If there ever existed in the history of the human civilization & species / if there is now or will ever be any entity superior to humanity of any kind, she deserves to suffer for eternity in the most morbid ways possible for what she allowed / let happen to this innocent 17-year-old girl in the last 44 days of her life..



This below was the real experience that Junko Furuta lived through in this universal existence, not books, not fairy tales, no movies, for 44 days, after she was taken from the street while walking home from school, in late November 1988 to January 4, 1989, and no form of god or any other fairy tale can find even one reason why that thing should ever have happened to a human being..

Spoiler: REAL Hell On Earth

• Repeated gang rapes — assaulted hundreds of times by the four main perpetrators and additional men they invited (up to over 100 assaults total, including group rapes involving objects like bottles and metal rods forced into her vagina and anus).
• 
  
• Severe beatings — punched repeatedly in the face (causing swelling and disfigurement), beaten with fists, kicked, lifted and dropped onto hard surfaces, struck with an iron exercise ball dropped multiple times onto her abdomen (causing internal rupturing and convulsions), and used as a "punching bag" while hung from the ceiling.
• 
  
• Cigarette and lighter burns — burned extensively across her body with cigarettes and lighters, including on arms, legs, thighs, hands, ankles, and genital area (one instance involved burning her genitals with a match after shaving her pubic hair).
• Lighter fluid burns — doused with lighter fluid on thighs, hands, arms, face, and stomach multiple times, then set alight, causing severe third-degree burns and pus-filled infections.
• 
  
• Hot wax torture — hot wax dripped from a lit candle onto her face; two shortened (likely lit) candles placed directly on her eyelids, causing burns to the eyelid area (though no confirmed permanent prevention of eye closure).
• 
  
• Foreign object insertions — forced insertion of various objects into her vagina and anus, including bottles, iron rods, scissors, a broken light bulb, and lit fireworks exploded inside her (causing massive internal damage, bleeding, and incontinence).
• 
  
• Forced ingestion and deprivation — made to drink her own urine, eat live cockroaches, inhale paint thinner fumes, smoke multiple cigarettes at once, and consume large amounts of alcohol/milk/water; starved for extended periods (fed only minimal food or milk, leading to severe malnourishment and inability to process fluids without vomiting).
• 
  
• Cold exposure and isolation — forced to sleep naked or minimally clothed on a cold balcony in winter and locked in a freezer for periods, exacerbating her injuries and hypothermia risk.
• 
  
• Hand and foot burns — deliberate burning of hands and feet with lighter fluid/flames, causing such severe damage that she lost mobility, could not grip objects, and took over an hour to crawl downstairs.
• 
  
• Final fatal assault — on January 4, 1989, after losing a game, the perpetrators poured lighter fluid over her body (legs, arms, face, stomach), set her on fire for approximately two hours while beating her continuously; she died from traumatic shock, extensive burns, and internal injuries.

because God did that himself or forced those men to do that???

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

If there ever existed in the history of the human civilization & species / if there is now or will ever be any entity superior to humanity of any kind, she deserves to suffer for eternity in the most morbid ways possible for what she allowed / let happen to this innocent 17-year-old girl in the last 44 days of her life..



This below was the real experience that Junko Furuta lived through in this universal existence, not books, not fairy tales, no movies, for 44 days, after she was taken from the street while walking home from school, in late November 1988 to January 4, 1989, and no form of god or any other fairy tale can find even one reason why that thing should ever have happened to a human being..

Spoiler: REAL Hell On Earth

• Repeated gang rapes — assaulted hundreds of times by the four main perpetrators and additional men they invited (up to over 100 assaults total, including group rapes involving objects like bottles and metal rods forced into her vagina and anus).
• 
  
• Severe beatings — punched repeatedly in the face (causing swelling and disfigurement), beaten with fists, kicked, lifted and dropped onto hard surfaces, struck with an iron exercise ball dropped multiple times onto her abdomen (causing internal rupturing and convulsions), and used as a "punching bag" while hung from the ceiling.
• 
  
• Cigarette and lighter burns — burned extensively across her body with cigarettes and lighters, including on arms, legs, thighs, hands, ankles, and genital area (one instance involved burning her genitals with a match after shaving her pubic hair).
• Lighter fluid burns — doused with lighter fluid on thighs, hands, arms, face, and stomach multiple times, then set alight, causing severe third-degree burns and pus-filled infections.
• 
  
• Hot wax torture — hot wax dripped from a lit candle onto her face; two shortened (likely lit) candles placed directly on her eyelids, causing burns to the eyelid area (though no confirmed permanent prevention of eye closure).
• 
  
• Foreign object insertions — forced insertion of various objects into her vagina and anus, including bottles, iron rods, scissors, a broken light bulb, and lit fireworks exploded inside her (causing massive internal damage, bleeding, and incontinence).
• 
  
• Forced ingestion and deprivation — made to drink her own urine, eat live cockroaches, inhale paint thinner fumes, smoke multiple cigarettes at once, and consume large amounts of alcohol/milk/water; starved for extended periods (fed only minimal food or milk, leading to severe malnourishment and inability to process fluids without vomiting).
• 
  
• Cold exposure and isolation — forced to sleep naked or minimally clothed on a cold balcony in winter and locked in a freezer for periods, exacerbating her injuries and hypothermia risk.
• 
  
• Hand and foot burns — deliberate burning of hands and feet with lighter fluid/flames, causing such severe damage that she lost mobility, could not grip objects, and took over an hour to crawl downstairs.
• 
  
• Final fatal assault — on January 4, 1989, after losing a game, the perpetrators poured lighter fluid over her body (legs, arms, face, stomach), set her on fire for approximately two hours while beating her continuously; she died from traumatic shock, extensive burns, and internal injuries.

Again, the presence of Evil in this world is a side effect of the gift of free will. Do you believe the gift of free will means God loves us less?

 

[Vantablack]

Again, the presence of Evil in this world is a side effect of the gift of free will. Do you believe the gift of free will means God loves us less?

mfw the neworn dies of cancer because of "free will"

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

mfw the neworn dies of cancer because of "free will"

mfw the newborn dies bc mom couldnt keep her legs shut and take accountability so she took away a unique soul's opportunity to live

 

[voidpursuit]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

@Mainlander lmk if this is a good question

@ZyzzReincarnate is knowledgeable i think

are you fucking retarded nigga you dont know how to sell your soul even if you tried. i know how but i wont tell you

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

mfw the neworn dies of cancer because of "free will"

you realize too death wasn't an original design, right? consuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil released death into the world. but that is just the physical body, not the soul.

 

[inversions]

are you fucking retarded nigga you dont know how to sell your soul even if you tried. i know how but i wont tell you

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

i know how but i wont tell you

is it these dih pills by chance?

 

[Daddy's Home]

God loves us less

Which one, bro?

There were and are 3,000+

and they all decided it was a good idea to let an innocent 17-year-old girl suffer hell on earth for nothing

 

[voidpursuit]

is it these dih pills by chance?

 

[ccwb]

Basically, I was thinking about the possibility of selling my soul.

Obviously, if I sell my soul, I make a deal with the devil and get banned from heaven but I get infinite money and stuff.

Cool, that makes sense and therefore obviously I wouldn't want to sell my soul. It means God exists.

If God is ALL POWERFUL, why doesn't he just kill the Devil so that I don't end up there and I also become rich?

Or even better, what if instead of worshipping the devil for fame, money ect.

Why doesn't it work the same for worshipping God?

Like if God was truly all loving, he wouldn't let people be born in pain, or live in suffering when they could simply worship him for a return.

Yet he lets people worship the Devil and in return they get destroyed in hell?

I just want some clarity please, I'm not trying to disrespect beliefs and stuff.

@Mainlander lmk if this is a good question

@ZyzzReincarnate is knowledgeable i think

Stupidest argument I’ve seen, nigga it’s called earth for a reason it’s not heaven it’s not all fun and games buddy