Question for Muslims, does this Hadith imply that Muhammad had sexual relations with Indian men?

[Rabbi]

Not even a ragebait post
I watched this video its short so watch it if you must.



I actually went through the sources and then manually translated the Arabic and holy shit.....

Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud said:

The Prophet ﷺ drew a circle for me and said, “Remain inside this—do not step out of it, for if you do, you will be harmed.” So I remained within it. The Prophet then went on a bit of a distance. He mentioned encountering a group—described as al-Zutt, as per what ‘Affan reported (or similar words). They had no clothes, yet their private parts were not visible. They were tall and lean.

They came and mounted (or rode upon) the Prophet ﷺ. The Prophet began reciting (Qur'an or perhaps other invocations) to them. They then started circling around me and moving in a strange way, and I became extremely frightened of them. Then, as dawn broke, they began to leave.

The Prophet ﷺ returned, heavy and weary—perhaps even in pain from what had happened. He said, “I feel very heavy,” or something to that effect, and he rested his head in my lap.

TLDR; Muhammad encounters 'Al-Zutt' at night, the term is used to refer from South Asian men usually from the Sindh region. Other sources refer to them as dark, slim and sexually potent with 'penises that never rest'. They are never described as Jinn, and early Islamic sources only refer to them as humans/laborers.

Zuṭṭ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These Al-Zutt then 'rode' Muhammad all night until dawn broke and he walked away in pain.

It is also noted that being 'ridden' is referred in other places sexually which calls into question exactly what Muhammad was doing all night.
“A woman may be compared to a cow, horse, or camel—for all are ridden": تفسير القرطبي الجامع لأحكام القرآن (Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v.15, p.172)

 

[deadstock]

Mashallah we muslims should do this too then

 

[Rabbi]

@Jason Voorhees what did you do?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Sindhis are robust and dark skinned moggers

 

[Rabbi]

Sindhis are robust and dark skinned moggers

Watch the video on 2x if you have to.
I need to verify this make sure its not cope.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Watch the video on 2x if you have to.
I need to verify this make sure its not cope.

I'm not very well resd on Islamic literature. You need ask @Angutoid @Gengar @shia.jihadist @SecularIslamist @fashioncel @menas

 

[copercel123]

Not even a ragebait post
I watched this video its short so watch it if you must.



I actually went through the sources and then manually translated the Arabic and holy shit.....

Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud said:








TLDR; Muhammad encounters 'Al-Zutt' at night, the term is used to refer from South Asian men usually from the Sindh region. Other sources refer to them as dark, slim and sexually potent with 'penises that never rest'. They are never described as Jinn, and early Islamic sources only refer to them as humans/laborers.

Zuṭṭ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These Al-Zutt then 'rode' Muhammad all night until dawn broke and he walked away in pain.

It is also noted that being 'ridden' is referred in other places sexually which calls into question exactly what Muhammad was doing all night.
“A woman may be compared to a cow, horse, or camel—for all are ridden": تفسير القرطبي الجامع لأحكام القرآن (Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v.15, p.172)

Muslims can’t comprehend this yet

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

Books of all religions have some verses that have misinterepretations or are debated on their meaning which leads to sects. I have noticed this in the most popular religions

 

[Rabbi]

Books of all religions have some verses that have misinterepretations or are debated on their meaning which leads to sects. I have noticed this in the most popular religions

My pure Judaism could never

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

My pure Judaism could never

Jews have Orthodox guys too, they are one reason why Israel is the only "Western" country with replacement birth rates. Also I know your previous username

 

[Angutoid]

I'm not very well resd on Islamic literature. You need ask @Angutoid @Gengar @shia.jihadist @SecularIslamist @fashioncel @menas

Hadiths are jew/evil made
You force yourself to accept hadiths to have an idea about the commonly performed "islamic" rituals in society and boom now you have yourself believing in a religion thats main source is muhammads so called word and not quran when Allah never claimed warranty for the authenticity of any other source than quran

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Hadiths are jew/evil made
You force yourself to accept hadiths to have an idea about the commonly performed "islamic" rituals in society and boom now you have yourself believing in a religion thats main source is muhammads so called word and not quran when Allah never claimed warranty for the authenticity of any other source than quran

I've heard from Islamic scholars that you can't call yourself a true Muslim if you don't follow the hadiths

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

Yes

 

[Rabbi]

I've heard from Islamic scholars that you can't call yourself a true Muslim if you don't follow the hadiths

You genuinely cant.
The entire hows and whats of Islam is dictated by the hadiths.
How many times to pray a day, how to perform hajj are only from Hadith sources.

 

[Surfsup]

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[Angutoid]

I've heard from Islamic scholars that you can't call yourself a true Muslim if you don't follow the hadiths

thats their perception of it
theyre all psyop to disrupt the true teachings
quranism is the way

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The Quran commands Muslims to follow the Prophet in several verses (e.g., 4:59, 33:21) instruct believers to obey the Messenger and take him as an example. I've seen scholars say that this can interpreted as a command to follow hadiths.

thats their perception of it
theyre all psyop to disrupt the true teachings
quranism is the way

 

[Angutoid]

The Quran commands Muslims to follow the Prophet in several verses (e.g., 4:59, 33:21) instruct believers to obey the Messenger and take him as an example. I've seen scholars say that this can interpreted as a command to follow hadiths.

i really hate that argument
theres an insane difference between hearing from the prophet himself and relying on hadiths
i wouldnt take charge of that command myself today as a sign to follow hadiths since there are many parts of quran exclusive only to the ones alive at the time

 

[fashioncel]

This is the most confusing, Shit that I need to go through but here we go,

If we go to the description of that YouTuber video, He only said al zutt Where Depicted as humans in the early times, Which doesn't mean anything, because Jinn can literally Mimic anything, We can't see them of course but they can make allusions,

And Why would the Prophet start reciting If they weren't demons, it's like throwing holy water at a random child because they annoyed you, it doesn't do shit if it's not demons Or demons control in somebody,

Another argument They could have been demons Possessing somebody to Throw themselves over the prophet, Explaining why the prophet Couldn't see their genitals It's because they were illusioned Away By the demons,

And in one of the youtubers arguments He says against the argument of the hadith being weak He says We shouldn't doubt it Because musnad ahmad is Good scholar/teller, even though most Of the Islamic community agree some of his work is weak, Meaning we shouldn't take every one of his hadith without backing As a 100% true,

Also I am not a scholar of Islam, Neither am I very educated on this Islam,
You should go to actual Scholars and ask them about this not random incels on org.

 

[fashioncel]

This is the most confusing, Shit that I need to go through but here we go,

If we go to the description of that YouTuber video, He only said al zutt Where Depicted as humans in the early times, Which doesn't mean anything, because Jinn can literally Mimic anything, We can't see them of course but they can make allusions,

And Why would the Prophet start reciting If they weren't demons, it's like throwing holy water at a random child because they annoyed you, it doesn't do shit if it's not demons Or demons control in somebody,

Another argument They could have been demons Possessing somebody to Throw themselves over the prophet, Explaining why the prophet Couldn't see their genitals It's because they were illusioned Away By the demons,

And in one of the youtubers arguments He says against the argument of the hadith being weak He says We shouldn't doubt it Because musnad ahmad is Good scholar/teller, even though most Of the Islamic community agree some of his work is weak, Meaning we shouldn't take every one of his hadith without backing As a 100% true,

Also I am not a scholar of Islam, Neither am I very educated on this Islam,
You should go to actual Scholars and ask them about this not random incels on org.

There might be some misspellings I'm sorry I just woke up, so remind me to correct them.

 

[Rabbi]

This is the most confusing, Shit that I need to go through but here we go,

If we go to the description of that YouTuber video, He only said al zutt Where Depicted as humans in the early times, Which doesn't mean anything, because Jinn can literally Mimic anything, We can't see them of course but they can make allusions,

And Why would the Prophet start reciting If they weren't demons, it's like throwing holy water at a random child because they annoyed you, it doesn't do shit if it's not demons Or demons control in somebody,

Another argument They could have been demons Possessing somebody to Throw themselves over the prophet, Explaining why the prophet Couldn't see their genitals It's because they were illusioned Away By the demons,

And in one of the youtubers arguments He says against the argument of the hadith being weak He says We shouldn't doubt it Because musnad ahmad is Good scholar/teller, even though most Of the Islamic community agree some of his work is weak, Meaning we shouldn't take every one of his hadith without backing As a 100% true,

Also I am not a scholar of Islam, Neither am I very educated on this Islam,
You should go to actual Scholars and ask them about this not random incels on org.

Now I’m not versed in Jinns in Islam but the text does not remotely refer to Jinns or jinns taking the form of humans in any way shape or form.

Secondly, I don’t think it’s out of character to recite to foreigners, I know there’s sources that claim he spoke to people ranging from India to Ethiopia.

I can’t comment on Hadith strength because I have no idea how it works. The hadiths in general throw a lot of confusion into Islam even though they are needed for the religion.

 

[fashioncel]

Now I’m not versed in Jinns in Islam but the text does not remotely refer to Jinns or jinns taking the form of humans in any way shape or form.

That's why It's weak Chain of hadith

Secondly, I don’t think it’s out of character to recite to foreigners, I know there’s sources that claim he spoke to people ranging from India to Ethiopia.

Maybe the Jinns Made an illusion Of Northern Indian and black men, Because usually they were hunters,
Or They possessed al zutt To put himself on top of the prophet not riding the prophet,

I can’t comment on Hadith strength because I have no idea how it works. The hadiths in general throw a lot of confusion into Islam even though they are needed for the religion.

Yeah that's Why I said go ask a scholar.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Not even a ragebait post
I watched this video its short so watch it if you must.



I actually went through the sources and then manually translated the Arabic and holy shit.....

Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud said:








TLDR; Muhammad encounters 'Al-Zutt' at night, the term is used to refer from South Asian men usually from the Sindh region. Other sources refer to them as dark, slim and sexually potent with 'penises that never rest'. They are never described as Jinn, and early Islamic sources only refer to them as humans/laborers.

Zuṭṭ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These Al-Zutt then 'rode' Muhammad all night until dawn broke and he walked away in pain.

It is also noted that being 'ridden' is referred in other places sexually which calls into question exactly what Muhammad was doing all night.
“A woman may be compared to a cow, horse, or camel—for all are ridden": تفسير القرطبي الجامع لأحكام القرآن (Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v.15, p.172)

Lmfao I was gonna make a thread on it

I saw this video 3 days ago when he uploaded this and yes this is an Oldschool Hadith that’s very VERY hard to come by, to find it traditionally I used AI seeing as typing “Mohammed gets ridden by Black men” shows nothing but stilly Islamophobia insults and not the Hadith itself

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Watch the video on 2x if you have to.
I need to verify this make sure its not cope.

It’s true but your a idiot when it comes to debating Muslims it’s clear your very new at this

When you debate Muslims when it comes to Hadiths you neeed to always ALWAYS mention the collection the boom and chapter it is in, otherwise you give Mohammedens leeway to cope and say “MUH I don’t trust it cos i dunno it’s grading and book it’s in “ they do this to cope

Anyways take this advice and next time you post that Al-Zutt shit have the citations ready

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I've heard from Islamic scholars that you can't call yourself a true Muslim if you don't follow the hadiths

The same way you can’t call yourself a Christian yet reject the church which is what you do as an Evangelical…

You’re unironically the same as a Muslim that rejects the Hadiths. Yet Evanglicals exist and so do Quran only Muslims (Yes they practice Sola Scriptura they are literally just Protestants with the Quran) LIKE YOU

 

[Rabbi]

The same way you can’t call yourself a Christian yet reject the church which is what you do as an Evangelical…

You’re unironically the same as a Muslim that rejects the Hadiths. Yet Evanglicals exist and so do Quran only Muslims (Yes they practice Sola Scriptura they are literally just Protestants with the Quran) LIKE YOU

Isn’t he orthodox

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Isn’t he orthodox

Ofc not he’s a protescuck

And the worst kind an Evanglical, EWWWWWE

As I said he’s the Christian version of Quran only Muslims

 

[menas]

I'm not very well resd on Islamic literature. You need ask @Angutoid @Gengar @shia.jihadist @SecularIslamist @fashioncel @menas

i wouldn't trust hadiths tbh.

 

[Rabbi]

i wouldn't trust hadiths tbh.

Most of what is the core of Islam can only be found in the hadiths.
The Quran never tells you how many times you should pray in a day or how to perform hajj and umrah.

 

[menas]

Most of what is the core of Islam can only be found in the hadiths.
The Quran never tells you how many times you should pray in a day or how to perform hajj and umrah.

While this is true most of the hadiths were written down after the prophets death. meanwhile stories like these are told by a small group of people Hajj,umrah and prayers were already implemented since everyone kept doing the same yk.

 

[ihatereddit]

having gay sex with pajeets is based

 

[looksmaxxed]

considering how degenerate they faggy they still are today, i can believe them being full blown aids merchants back then

 

[ryuken]

That's why It's weak Chain of hadith

Maybe the Jinns Made an illusion Of Northern Indian and black men, Because usually they were hunters,
Or They possessed al zutt To put himself on top of the prophet not riding the prophet,

Yeah that's Why I said go ask a scholar.

it's weak plus we have a stronger one which says ibn Mas‘ud wasn't with the prophet:

Spoiler

I asked 'Alqama if Ibn Mas'ud was present with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) on the night of the Jinn (the night when the Prophet met them). He (Ibn Mas'uad) said: No, but we were in the company of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one night and we missed him. We searched for him in the valleys and the hills and said. He has either been taken away (by jinn) or has been secretly killed. He (the narrator) said. We spent the worst night which people could ever spend. When it was dawn we saw him coming from the side of Hiri'. He (the narrator) reported. We said: Messenger of Allah, we missed you and searched for you, but we could not find you and we spent the worst night which people could ever spend. He (the Holy Prophet) said: There came to me an inviter on behalf of the Jinn and I went along with him and recited to them the Qur'an. He (the narrator) said: He then went along with us and showed us their traces and traces of their embers. They (the Jinn) asked him (the Holy Prophet) about their provision and he said: Every bone on which the name of Allah is recited is your provision. The time it will fall in your hand it would be covered with flesh, and the dung of (the camels) is fodder for your animals. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Don't perform istinja with these (things) for these are the food of your brothers (Jinn).

also in the weak hadith it says "and i can't see their gentiles" jfl so anything being sexual is not true lol

even if we assume that it's strong يركبون in arabic if it comes before a person like يركبون محمود means they followed the way of mahmoud

also we say in arabic ركب البحر which means he rides the sea does that mean he fucked the sea? nah

 

[ryuken]

I can’t comment on Hadith strength because I have no idea how it works. The hadiths in general throw a lot of confusion into Islam even though they are needed for the religion.

people spend years in learning that jfl it's easy if u know arabic but for a hadith to be sahih u need to have 5 things

1: connected isnad which means the narration chain needs to be connected which the hadith u put lacks
2: not to be abnormal so for an example if we have a hadith and a certain number was mentioned in it. 3 of the narrators said it was "10" and 1 said it was "11" then the hadith where 11 is mentioned is weak
3: a hidden problem it's hard to explain tbh
4: the narrators need to be good if 1 of them is a liar it's not a sahih
5: narrators need to have strong memory if 1 of them has weak memory while all the other sahih requirements is there then it's a hasan

 

[Rabbi]

it's weak plus we have a stronger one which says ibn Mas‘ud wasn't with the prophet:

Spoiler

I asked 'Alqama if Ibn Mas'ud was present with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) on the night of the Jinn (the night when the Prophet met them). He (Ibn Mas'uad) said: No, but we were in the company of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one night and we missed him. We searched for him in the valleys and the hills and said. He has either been taken away (by jinn) or has been secretly killed. He (the narrator) said. We spent the worst night which people could ever spend. When it was dawn we saw him coming from the side of Hiri'. He (the narrator) reported. We said: Messenger of Allah, we missed you and searched for you, but we could not find you and we spent the worst night which people could ever spend. He (the Holy Prophet) said: There came to me an inviter on behalf of the Jinn and I went along with him and recited to them the Qur'an. He (the narrator) said: He then went along with us and showed us their traces and traces of their embers. They (the Jinn) asked him (the Holy Prophet) about their provision and he said: Every bone on which the name of Allah is recited is your provision. The time it will fall in your hand it would be covered with flesh, and the dung of (the camels) is fodder for your animals. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Don't perform istinja with these (things) for these are the food of your brothers (Jinn).

also in the weak hadith it says "and i can't see their gentiles" jfl so anything being sexual is not true lol

even if we assume that it's strong يركبون in arabic if it comes before a person like يركبون محمود means they followed the way of mahmoud

also we say in arabic ركب البحر which means he rides the sea does that mean he fucked the sea? nah

That refers to the night of the Jinn, the encounter with the al-Zutt seems to be different

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

That refers to the night of the Jinn, the encounter with the al-Zutt seems to be different

@ryuken is coping

The Hadith is debated

Some say it’s Sahih others say it’s weak


And yes they fucked him if he’s true because there’s a Hadith that says 3 things are riden, camels donkeys and WOMEN. So yes riden can be used in different senses but when it used with humans it always has the same inuendo.

I myself am not an expert in this specific one nor have I really used it ill consult Sam shamoun about it and see

 

[Shahnameh]

TLDR; Muhammad encounters 'Al-Zutt' at night, the term is used to refer from South Asian men usually from the Sindh region. Other sources refer to them as dark, slim and sexually potent with 'penises that never rest'. They are never described as Jinn, and early Islamic sou

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/world/saudi-diplomat-is-accused-of-rape.html

Even now saudis still have sex with indian men

 

[Shahnameh]

While this is true most of the hadiths were written down after the prophets death. meanwhile stories like these are told by a small group of people Hajj,umrah and prayers were already implemented since everyone kept doing the same yk.

The quran was also written after his drath, what's ur point?

 

[ryuken]

@ryuken is coping

The Hadith is debated

Some say it’s Sahih others say it’s weak


And yes they fucked him if he’s true because there’s a Hadith that says 3 things are riden, camels donkeys and WOMEN. So yes riden can be used in different senses but when it used with humans it always has the same inuendo.

I myself am not an expert in this specific one nor have I really used it ill consult Sam shamoun about it and see

cause the people who said it's a sahih didn't understand it like this jfl

it's not a sahih lol عمرو البكالي didn't hear from ibn mas‘ud jfl the first condition for a hadith to be sahih is to have a connected narration chain jfl

yes riden can be used in different senses but when it used with humans it always has the same inuendo.

mirin confidence brah but it doesn't

أبو هريرة says ركبني عمر which means followed me and the proof that it means followed me is فإذا هو على أثري which means he's now behind him

so it can be used like this for humans too

 

[Bars]

Should muslims do that as well?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

cause the people who said it's a sahih didn't understand it like this jfl

it's not a sahih lol عمرو البكالي didn't hear from ibn mas‘ud jfl the first condition for a hadith to be sahih is to have a connected narration chain jfl

mirin confidence brah but it doesn't
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أبو هريرة says ركبني عمر which means followed me and the proof that it means followed me is فإذا هو على أثري which means he's now behind him

so it can be used like this for humans too

Google is your buddy go do that or ask GPT as I said it’s sahih too some and not others

Raymond Ibrahim showed evidence off what I said though so illl pull up the evidence he showed. If that’s wrong then you’re right.

As I said this is a hadith I’m not an expert on however it is disputed. Though the scholars tend to say it means “crowded” not shagged but I personally don’t care either way there’s many damning Hadiths that are Hasan and Sahih that meme in the religion this one would just be the funniest

Now behind him…. Now behind him….

Where would a man be fucking another man in the ass? Wouldn’t they be “Behind him”