Rate me, please. I am 19. Be honest

[NoCope]

If you had to label me as either lower-tier normie, mid-tier normie, or upper-tier normie: which one would it be?

Also, and more importantly: what do I need to do to ascend? Looking for any advice short of surgery or fillers tbh. Just gym and healthy lifestyle and all that good stuff?

Ty, hoping for high iq replies, genuinely looking for solid advice to help me ascend further.

 

[superpsycho]

ltn

 

[superpsycho]

mogs me

 

[Ogionth]

If you had to label me as either lower-tier normie, mid-tier normie, or upper-tier normie: which one would it be?

Also, and more importantly: what do I need to do to ascend? Looking for any advice short of surgery or fillers tbh. Just gym and healthy lifestyle and all that good stuff?

Ty, hoping for high iq replies, genuinely looking for solid advice to help me ascend further.

Solid effort put in, applauded!

Your front is mid mtn (which is a sub-tier above average)

Side Profile is mid to high mtn but closer to the former.

I will advise you regarding softmaxxing, and hopefully someone else clears the other part.

First of all, your hairline, you seem to be balding, I think it's around norwood 1.5 OR it could be that your forehead has always been like that.

If you're balding, finastride is the way but you should be aware the side effects and other effects so I hope you read a thread regarding its use.

Now, your acne, either those are acne scars or acne itself but the pic is quite blurry so, incase it is acne, I suggest you use topical tretinoin for abt 2 months, if the effect is minimal then get on accutane and it will clear up easily.

Thirdly, you don't look lean enough, I suggest you start going to the gym so you can build some muscle and be lower bf % but still healthy weight.

+ Training your neck should be a must, it's width is not enough.

Shave the facial hair even cleaner, it has a shadow and doesn't look good.

And lastly, dye your eyebrows darker (doesn't need to be necessarily black it it could be) than your hair.

 

[NoCope]

Solid effort put in, applauded!

Your front is mid mtn (which is a sub-tier above average)

Side Profile is mid to high mtn but closer to the former.

I will advise you regarding softmaxxing, and hopefully someone else clears the other part.

Ty for the detailed response

First of all, your hairline, you seem to be balding, I think it's around norwood 1.5 OR it could be that your forehead has always been like that. If you're balding, finastride is the way but you should be aware the side effects and other effects so I hope you read a thread regarding its use.

It has always been like that. I am not balding. I don't think it affects my looks a lot, but in case it does, this is something I can look into. I would rather avoid it, though.

Now, your acne, either those are acne scars or acne itself but the pic is quite blurry so, incase it is acne, I suggest you use topical tretinoin for abt 2 months, if the effect is minimal then get on accutane and it will clear up easily.

It's acne scars and some minimal acne. I have tretinoin, but I think I can get my skin healed without it. The time it will take for a purge and other unexpected factors is too much, my skin began clearing as soon as I stopped washing my face and applying products to it.

Thirdly, you don't look lean enough, I suggest you start going to the gym so you can build some muscle and be lower bf % but still healthy weight.

I would estimate to be at around 20% bf currently, plus/minus 2%. I am very comfortable at this weight healthwise, but I can see the extra ~10 pounds clearly. I think its not that big of an issue if I had a trained neck/body.

+ Training your neck should be a must, it's width is not enough.

So my priority is neck, shoulders, abs, back, legs basically?

Shave the facial hair even cleaner, it has a shadow and doesn't look good.

Should I stay clean shaven at all times?

And lastly, dye your eyebrows darker (doesn't need to be necessarily black it it could be) than your hair.

This is pretty risky. I've seen people with dyed eyebrows irl, and it looks a bit autistic tbh. Maybe if done incorrectly.

Honestly, from your response, I can see that out of softmaxes, I just need to continue focusing on skin, get some muscles in, and lean down a bit? Just with softmaxes alone, can chadlite tier be reached? Big aspirations, but sky is the limit.

 

[Ogionth]

Ty for the detailed response

Wc.

It has always been like that. I am not balding. I don't think it affects my looks a lot, but in case it does, this is something I can look into. I would rather avoid it, though.

It actually does, you should see if there are any signs of balding but this is good that you don't (apparently).

So now, the way to go is get a haircut that will hide your forehead by like 1/2 or completely, there are multiple haircuts that will do that so look into them.

It's acne scars and some minimal acne. I have tretinoin, but I think I can get my skin healed without it. The time it will take for a purge and other unexpected factors is too much, my skin began clearing as soon as I stopped washing my face and applying products to it.

Tretinoin wouldn't make it worse, I suggest that you use it whether you "think" it makes it worse or not.

Look at other threads for how to fix acne scars.

I would estimate to be at around 20% bf currently, plus/minus 2%. I am very comfortable at this weight healthwise, but I can see the extra ~10 pounds clearly. I think its not that big of an issue if I had a trained neck/body.

Well, the thing is, you're on a looksmaxxing forum and the biggest softmax to ever exist is facial leanness, if you're not willing to go down then you're not working hard enough to look better.

I suggested training because leaning down without muscles would put you on a low BMI. Thus training + leanmax = low bf % at healthy bmi.

So my priority is neck, shoulders, abs, back, legs basically?

Legs shouldn't be your priority at al.

Your priorities are (in order of -most important to lesser)

Neck
Delts
Back
Chest
Arms

And then maybe abs and legs, abs are quite low at a priority rn because you're high bf%, I suggest you start training abs when you drop a few pounds and you could skip legs if you wish.

Should I stay clean shaven at all times?

Well, if you can grow a full beard then that's amazing because you could use it to fraud your lower third (which is one of your main failos).

But I assumed you couldn't so it is better to either be COMPLETELY shaven not like it is in the pic, or grow a goatee and a moustache (They also must be darker than your head hair) to possibly fraud chin height relative to the philtrum.

This is pretty risky. I've seen people with dyed eyebrows irl, and it looks a bit autistic tbh. Maybe if done incorrectly.

That's why I said 'darker', when the color contrast is too much, thats how it looks autistic.

Ask a hair dresser for the exact color or get a few light (but slightly darker than your current) colors (they're pretty cheap) that get progressively darker and try each of them.

Honestly, from your response, I can see that out of softmaxes, I just need to continue focusing on skin, get some muscles in, and lean down a bit? Just with softmaxes alone, can chadlite tier be reached? Big aspirations, but sky is the limit.

I don't think you can reach chadlite with just softmaxxing.

Facially, you'd at most reach low HTN if you're lucky (but more likely would be around high MTN) and SMV wise you could reach mid to high HTN (due to gymmaxing)

 

[NoCope]

Wc.

It actually does, you should see if there are any signs of balding but this is good that you don't (apparently).

So now, the way to go is get a haircut that will hide your forehead by like 1/2 or completely, there are multiple haircuts that will do that so look into them.

Disappointing tbh. This is something I will now pay attention to. Ty

Tretinoin wouldn't make it worse, I suggest that you use it whether you "think" it makes it worse or not.

Look at other threads for how to fix acne scars.

Fair. If acne scars wont go on their own, then tretinoin is quite literally my only hope. And they haven't so far.

Well, the thing is, you're on a looksmaxxing forum and the biggest softmax to ever exist is facial leanness, if you're not willing to go down then you're not working hard enough to look better.

I suggested training because leaning down without muscles would put you on a low BMI. Thus training + leanmax = low bf % at healthy bmi.

Fair. Makes sense.

Legs shouldn't be your priority at al.

Your priorities are (in order of -most important to lesser)

Neck
Delts
Back
Chest
Arms

And then maybe abs and legs, abs are quite low at a priority rn because you're high bf%, I suggest you start training abs when you drop a few pounds and you could skip legs if you wish.

+

Well, if you can grow a full beard then that's amazing because you could use it to fraud your lower third (which is one of your main failos).

But I assumed you couldn't so it is better to either be COMPLETELY shaven not like it is in the pic, or grow a goatee and a moustache (They also must be darker than your head hair) to possibly fraud chin height relative to the philtrum.

I can grow something. Wouldn't straight up call it a beard though. I dont't really feel like rocking one either.

That's why I said 'darker', when the color contrast is too much, thats how it looks autistic.

Ask a hair dresser for the exact color or get a few light (but slightly darker than your current) colors (they're pretty cheap) that get progressively darker and try each of them.

Will photoshop myself with darker eyebrows to see if its worth it tn.

I don't think you can reach chadlite with just softmaxxing.

Facially, you'd at most reach low HTN if you're lucky (but more likely would be around high MTN) and SMV wise you could reach mid to high HTN (due to gymmaxing)

In my case, I care mostly about SMV. I lack the edge needed to navigate around attractive girls with boldness. Just boosting up face aesthetics is good for modeling tbh, but real world SMV is clearly king and what we all need to focus on.

 

[Ogionth]

I can grow something. Wouldn't straight up call it a beard though. I dont't really feel like rocking one either.

Then the way is goatee + moust or completely clean shaven.

Will photoshop myself with darker eyebrows to see if its worth it tn.

Whatever pleases you, but it probably is.

In my case, I care mostly about SMV. I lack the edge needed to navigate around attractive girls with boldness. Just boosting up face aesthetics is good for modeling tbh, but real world SMV is clearly king and what we all need to focus on.

Yeah, well after all this, your life will probably get better.

But the gymmax part is a very important factor of SMV, and it will take quite a while (an year or two), so good luck man.

 

[NoCope]

Then the way is goatee + moust or completely clean shaven.

Whatever pleases you, but it probably is.

Yeah, well after all this, your life will probably get better.

But the gymmax part is a very important factor of SMV, and it will take quite a while (an year or two), so good luck man.

Here's a pic I found with the maximum amount of beard I can currently grow. Ignore the bad quality, thats the only pic I could find. What do you think - better, or worse?

 

[Ogionth]

Here's a pic I found with the maximum amount of beard I can currently grow. Ignore the bad quality, thats the only pic I could find. What do you think - better, or worse?

Look at it bra, your hair isn't slicked back thus showing lesser of your forehead and you visibly look better.

Get back to this haircut, and then cover a bit more of your forehead.

It looks better than the previous(except that anything besides the goatee and moustache should have been clean shaven better) but it should be a bit darker, and dye is the only option

 

[illoan82]

If you had to label me as either lower-tier normie, mid-tier normie, or upper-tier normie: which one would it be?

Also, and more importantly: what do I need to do to ascend? Looking for any advice short of surgery or fillers tbh. Just gym and healthy lifestyle and all that good stuff?

Ty, hoping for high iq replies, genuinely looking for solid advice to help me ascend further.

How the fuck are u 19 bud u look like a 30 year old lmao it’s crazy

 

[BrahimKine]

training your neck should be your top priority 100%

 

[svarddre]

Ltn is harsh,,, mid mtn

 

[NoCope]

How the fuck are u 19 bud u look like a 30 year old lmao it’s crazy

ur first person to ever say that i look older than I actually am, in my entire life. Either life has been rough to me these past 6 months to the point where I aged and didn't notice it at all, or you genuinely see something I can't. I usually get 17. or 18.

 

[illoan82]

ur first person to ever say that i look older than I actually am, in my entire life. Either life has been rough to me these past 6 months to the point where I aged and didn't notice it at all, or you genuinely see something I can't. I usually get 17. or 18.

It’s crazy to say u were born the same year as me because I would guess u would’ve been born in 1990s-early 2000s lmao sorry bud

 

[soggra]

Low mtn

 

[zemult]

Mtn you're just average white dude

 

[zemult]

Solid effort put in, applauded!

Your front is mid mtn (which is a sub-tier above average)

Side Profile is mid to high mtn but closer to the former.

I will advise you regarding softmaxxing, and hopefully someone else clears the other part.

First of all, your hairline, you seem to be balding, I think it's around norwood 1.5 OR it could be that your forehead has always been like that.

If you're balding, finastride is the way but you should be aware the side effects and other effects so I hope you read a thread regarding its use.

Now, your acne, either those are acne scars or acne itself but the pic is quite blurry so, incase it is acne, I suggest you use topical tretinoin for abt 2 months, if the effect is minimal then get on accutane and it will clear up easily.

Thirdly, you don't look lean enough, I suggest you start going to the gym so you can build some muscle and be lower bf % but still healthy weight.

+ Training your neck should be a must, it's width is not enough.

Shave the facial hair even cleaner, it has a shadow and doesn't look good.

And lastly, dye your eyebrows darker (doesn't need to be necessarily black it it could be) than your hair.

Sub-tier above average meaning low mtn or ltn is the average in your eyes?

 

[Ogionth]

Sub-tier above average meaning low mtn or ltn is the average in your eyes?

low mtn

 

[theclam123]

i think you have hmtn/lhtn potential if you debloat and clear skin. pheno is appeal

 

[grungymallard97]

If you had to label me as either lower-tier normie, mid-tier normie, or upper-tier normie: which one would it be?

Also, and more importantly: what do I need to do to ascend? Looking for any advice short of surgery or fillers tbh. Just gym and healthy lifestyle and all that good stuff?

Ty, hoping for high iq replies, genuinely looking for solid advice to help me ascend further.

LTN, debloat and getting lean, ur jaw sells u, jaw fillers and shit

 

[grungymallard97]

ur first person to ever say that i look older than I actually am, in my entire life. Either life has been rough to me these past 6 months to the point where I aged and didn't notice it at all, or you genuinely see something I can't. I usually get 17. or 18.

I’d genuinely have guessed 25+