Because God is the necessary precondition for everything to exist. Knowledge, logic, time & space, morals, the mind, etc.
If you need the fear of punishment to be good
Lie detected
an objective "good" does not exist in a atheist worldview
What do i gain from lying lol, i just mentioned it, because i understand where doubts come from
Because the Truth can only be found in Objectivity
Terrible argument. Not only does this start with a question begging fallacy already discrediting it but there are plenty of ways to resolve this anyways. You can just believe in materalism that thjngs like logic, morality, etc are all just languages humans developed socially and things like objectivity/truth are just subject object relational. Sure you could say everything could be just based on out perception but the same problem still stands jf you are religious. Even if u believe god created knowledge u have no way of knowing if the knowledge you have is from god. Another view is physicalism. You can believe things like logic, morals, etc are just necessary for reality in the same way you assert a god is necessary in all possible world due to the impossibility of the contrary. A world not governed by logic would simply be self defeating or cease to exist. You can also argue for platonism or that things like logic are discovered just like nature and the universe around us. You can also adopt a antirealist view, although sounding absurd still leads to your argument not following. Many ways to answer this terrible argument which isnt even a argument, its a fallacy formed into a argument
Why?
wah wah
religion is the only thing that keeps me alive even if itโs cope itโs the best thing that happened to me
My point proven further. Nothing wrong with brainwashed people believing in religion. But I'm not gonna sit here and act like it's not cope. And it's even more annoying when religioncels try to push their beliefs and religion onto others.
How did i beg the question, i was waiting for ur response, so i could continue lol
Are u saying that without logic the world would cease to exist?, where is this coming from?
Logical contradictions are not possible from god as truth cannot be violated
@pandamonium why did u reacts with "ugh", can u get objective morality with atheistic worldview?
human nature actually debunks god more than it proves god. Your eyeballs see everything backwards, your brain has to do the task of flipping it automatically otherwise you would be completely disoriented. If there was a designer there would be no need for this flaw. Humans have tailbones which can lead to extremely serious injury if damaged and removing it doesnt effect practicality at all, babies drown in their mothers fluids all the time. Human spines arent made for upright walking thats why we develop skulliosis and get shorter as we age.
Oh hell nah
Human nature and psychology is not ideal AT ALL
If your first premise is that god is necessary for x and yoh conclude with god exists. Thats begging the question fallacy verbatum
Logic is everywhere in nature there are no contradictions that exist for example. If they did you would have married bachelors, false truths, and otherextreme absurdities, even things like the laws of physics rely on logical axioms. So yes logic itsslf would necessarily exist in all possible worlds. It doesnt need to be โcreatedโ
It is a true analogy. Lets say god created logic. How do you know the logic you use isnt a false form of logic given by god? How do you know any knowledge you have is even from god or if its from satan or even just something you made up? How do you even know the bible/quran or whatever religion you believe even exists how do you know that its not another god tricking you into thinking it does. All of these problems exist even if god exists
Did god created logic ? If so its subjective to him and he could violate it if he wants. If god cannot erase logic then that in itself is a logical paradox for god to create something he cant destroy
How is it wrongOh hell nah
Morals don't prove god in any way. The feeling of right and wrong can be explained with evolution. It's very logical.
Yes u can easily have objective morality from a atheist worldview if you adopt a platonist perspective. But i just dont believe morslity is objective regardless so no need to
His argument is so ass
. It's basically just "I don't like the fact that morals aren't objective!"
There is a pecking order. Humans are far more advanced creatures than animals, just like how animals are far more advanced than insects, etc. There are likely creations that are above us humans as well (who exist on other planets/universes), who don't have to experience any of the same flaws that you mentioned. Humans have been born as upper-mid tier creations, so this is all we know as of right now.
Well if you want to demonstrate that morality is objective then go ahead. I only responded cause you made the false claim that you cant have objective morality under atheismHis argument is so ass
Religion is a way to control the population so that it doesn't devolve into degeneracy.
Nigga you talking to the wrong guy
Humans are โadvancedโ due to intelligence. Cheetahs are advanced due to speed. Giraffes are a advanced due to height. You can go on forever. Your just picking a random attribute we evolved to excel in lmao. Also humans are animals so idk what you mean by their more advanced than animals
Ohh lmaooNigga you talking to the wrong guy
I understand, but it was just to start the discussion.
Logic has to rely on God, because if he does not exist then logic is just a product of randomness and without any binding authority. For logic to be possible you need God
Logic is grounded in God relfects his unchanging nature
God is the logos
God is not the same as reality tho?
How does that prove it though, cant get an ought from an is
When did i say that. I only said that atheism cannot give objective morality?His argument is so ass
Intellectual prowess is the only advancement that's relevant at large. If humans and animals fought each other in an all out war, who do you think would win? Obviously the ones that have access to guns and other weapons (and the knowledge to use them). And you know what I mean when differentiating humans and animals nigga, don't be a smartazz
Why do you want me to spoon feed you
Logic isnt a product of randomness its ontologically necessary. The impossibility of the contrary shows that it is. How can a world or reality exist without logic to govern things.
Ok so if its part of his nature then logic is the nature of reality itself
Divine revelation is also subjective. Yo have no way to know if any revelation is truly from the divine or from the divine tricking you,schizophrenia, simply a natural delusion, or other things
How does this address anything
No there doesnt. If it needs to be sourced but the nature of god is logic then god himself would need to be source. Again if its just gods nature then i can say the same for reality
Its circular reasoning definitionally lmao. Also wdym i pressupose logic of course i do its self evident. In order to falsify it you need to use it. God on the other hand isnt self evident so pressuposing it doesnt even remotely have a basis
I agree
All you need is the is. If something is objectively bad by nature then u have morals under atheism. If your asking me to prove whether something is wrong that is irrelevant to whether something can be objectively wrong by nature. And again the is ought problem still stands for religion. In fact its worse. If you say murder is wrong you cant prove it because you appeal to a divine being. I can appeal to another divine being which says murder is right and by your own standard youve just refuted yourself
order doesnt prove a god. Evolution easily debunks this
Just contradicted yourself
Not gonna convince you so wont even try, if you were forced to be a believer which religion do you lean towards the most?
I translate for you nigger.
Wrong.
It's bad Logic. He doesn't understand what knowledge is.
I don't like non text debates.
God is not identical to reality but the source
Is logic self evident tho?
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