Religion is complete bullshit and it's used to manipulate people.

[g-money]

Firstly, I respect all genders, race, sex, religion, beliefs and whatever, but I am still entitled to my own opinion. Religion tries to create meaning in a meaningless world. You should just do whatever you think is the best decision for you in every situation, not because some book talking about talking snakes and hundred year floods told you to. However I still believe that if you live your life following Christian philosophies you would be a good person, however most religious people don't even follow their own rules and use "repenting" as a coping mechanism. Embrace Atheism and Agnosticism if you want to live a life of freedom.

 

[mohito]

What would u say is the source of your morals

 

[g-money]

What would u say is the source of your morals

Human experiences have formed my morals.

 

[888mastermind]

 

[Sayori]

Firstly, I respect all genders, race, sex, religion, beliefs and whatever, but I am still entitled to my own opinion. Religion tries to create meaning in a meaningless world. You should just do whatever you think is the best decision for you in every situation, not because some book talking about talking snakes and hundred year floods told you to. However I still believe that if you live your life following Christian philosophies you would be a good person, however most religious people don't even follow their own rules and use "repenting" as a coping mechanism. Embrace Atheism and Agnosticism if you want to live a life of freedom.

Define good person morally?

I could be in my subjective opinion that a good person could be someone that murders people

Without an objective morality how can one truly call another a good person

 

[mohito]

Human experiences have formed my morals.

But how do u evaluate those experiences? How do u know which ones are virtuous and which aren’t?

 

[acm]

I'm agnostic so whatever happens when I die I'll just let happen to be honest. I also agree with the part of Christian values, specifically their beliefs about forgiveness; I've seen both sides of letting go to staying resentful and it's always better to just forgive. It's also a lot more comforting to believe in a religion which would provide a heuristic and simple answer to everything as opposed to just accepting the fact that the universe is entirely based on entropy and literal randomness.
Hearing that you were punished for bad karma as due to your religion/beliefs is a lot more comforting than just knowing that something bad happened to you just because it did. No reason behind it and no care for justice fairness. You simply just got lucky/unlucky and you have to accept it.

 

[g-money]

Define good person morally?

A good person is generally defined by actions and character traits that promote well-being, empathy, and integrity

 

[g-money]

But how do u evaluate those experiences? How do u know which ones are virtuous and which aren’t?

Morals are generally evaluated by analyzing the intentions behind an action, the circumstances surrounding it, and the consequences that followed.

 

[CalmFrog]

Firstly, I respect all genders, race, sex, religion, beliefs and whatever

when someone has to prelude to their take, 100/10 times wha they said at first was bullshit

A good person is generally defined by actions and character traits that promote well-being, empathy, and integrity

perfect definition, Be a good person to others, treat others how you'd like to be treated, how you'd like people to treat your mother/sister

I support you even though iam muslim

 

[mohito]

Morals are generally evaluated by analyzing the intentions behind an action, the circumstances surrounding it, and the consequences that followed.

I get that but any analysis needs a reference point. Every judgment relies on a specific framework

 

[Sayori]

A good person is generally defined by actions and character traits that promote well-being, empathy, and integrity

my point what dictates your morales

for example, some people find murder wrong morally some don't which one is right?

 

[g-money]

my point what dictates your morales

for example, some people find murder wrong morally some don't which one is right?

Morals are shaped by empathy, social stability, and human well-being. If someone believes murder is okay, that belief collapses the safety of society. So the “right” moral system is usually the one that allows people to live safely and cooperate.

 

[g-money]

I get that but any analysis needs a reference point. Every judgment relies on a specific framework

The reference point is human well-being and minimizing unnecessary harm. Any moral framework has to justify itself by whether it improves or damages conscious lives. If it increases suffering without necessity, it’s probably immoral.

 

[mohito]

The reference point is human well-being and minimizing unnecessary harm. Any moral framework has to justify itself by whether it improves or damages conscious lives. If it increases suffering without necessity, it’s probably immoral.

"Well being" and "unnecessary harm" are vague terms without the said framework, this is just circular reasoning. Also its not cool to use gpt for this

 

[Sayori]

definition of morality is "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour"

So, in your subjective view morals are what allows people to live safely

But one can say in their moral beliefs anything that causes harm to a society is just and good
and anything that helps is bad.

Then who here is correct? we all have our viewpoints, so everyone is correct but that only applies if there isn't a true objective morality

God is who dictates objective morality

Instead of it being opinion based its just truth if God dictates it

 

[g-money]

"Well being" and "unnecessary harm" are vague terms without the said framework, this is just circular reasoning. Also its not cool to use gpt for this

gpt is the future

 

[g-money]

I

definition of morality is "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour"

So, in your objective view morals are what allows people to live safely

But one can say in that in their moral beliefs anything that causes harm to a society is just and good
and anything that helps is bad.

Then who here is correct? we all have our viewpoints, so everyone is correct but that only applies if there isn't a true objective morality

God is who dictates objective morality

Instead of it being opinion based its just truth if God dictates it

I assume you believe in god?

 

[Sayori]

I

I assume you believe in god?

Yes, but that's not the point here

 

[Sayori]

gpt is the future

Gpt is retarded

gpt has been eating itself

ai has been eating itself providing false information and literally tricking itself into believing its true

 

[g-money]

Yes, but that's not the point here

how tf can you believe in god after this shit bro

 

[swaggyp1]

Reverts are attracted to morals first, then through reasoning, arrive at the theology

Islam has the perfect moral system - that no human society has ever replicated or perfected

Kalam is the logical reasoning, when people arrive at the theology part of it

 

[VampyrMaxx]

The biggest reason why blackpillers disbelieve in God is bcz they feel like he is unfair to them

 

[g-money]

The biggest reason why blackpillers disbelieve in God is bcz they feel like he is unfair to them

Christianity just doesnt even make any sense and half the shit in the bible is legitimately impossible.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Christianity just doesnt even make any sense and half the shit in the bible is legitimately impossible.

Yes but I feel like a hypocrite tbh

 

[Sayori]

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how tf can you believe in god after this shit bro

How does any of this disprove the existence of God?

The 3 things you mentioned aren't the main supports towards Christianity btw

disproving the crucifixion of Jesus instead

If you do ill fully believe it's made up

you also seemed to have ignored most points thrown at u and used ai that's eating itself and lies to itself to try to disprove it while it was spewing circular reason

@mohi_100 ur thoughts?

 

[VampyrMaxx]

How does any of this disprove the existence of God?

The 3 things you mentioned aren't the main supports towards Christianity btw

disproving the crucifixion of Jesus instead

If you do ill fully believe it's made up

you also seemed to have ignored most points thrown at u and used ai that's eating itself and lies to itself to try to disprove it while it was spewing circular reason

@mohi_100 ur thoughts?

History is the words of men, and cant be verified unless you experienced it, therefore no religion can be verified.

 

[g-money]

disproving the crucifixion of Jesus instead

Sure, jesus was a real person but he was simply a cult leader like charles mansen manipulating people into believing that he committed "god-like" powers. Pretty similar to a few people I can think of.

i could go on for hours.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Sure, jesus was a real person but he was simply a cult leader like charles mansen manipulating people into believing that he committed "god-like" powers. Pretty similar to a few people I can think of.
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i could go on for hours.

No, because you can't prove Jesus actually existed, you can only BELIEVE that he existed.

 

[g-money]

No, because you can't prove Jesus actually existed, you can only BELIEVE that he existed.

I could believe in charles mansen, he shares similarities to god and atleast I know he existed

 

[ngannou]

No, because you can't prove Jesus actually existed, you can only BELIEVE that he existed.

Jesus was a real person bro

What would u say is the source of your morals

Reverts are attracted to morals first, then through reasoning, arrive at the theology

Islam has the perfect moral system - that no human society has ever replicated or perfected

Kalam is the logical reasoning, when people arrive at the theology part of it

when someone has to prelude to their take, 100/10 times wha they said at first was bullshit


perfect definition, Be a good person to others, treat others how you'd like to be treated, how you'd like people to treat your mother/sister

I support you even though iam muslim

when someone has to prelude to their take, 100/10 times wha they said at first was bullshit


perfect definition, Be a good person to others, treat others how you'd like to be treated, how you'd like people to treat your mother/sister

I support you even though iam muslim

 

[g-money]

We're never going to agree. No point in arguing.

 

[mohito]

How does any of this disprove the existence of God?

The 3 things you mentioned aren't the main supports towards Christianity btw

disproving the crucifixion of Jesus instead

If you do ill fully believe it's made up

you also seemed to have ignored most points thrown at u and used ai that's eating itself and lies to itself to try to disprove it while it was spewing circular reason

@mohi_100 ur thoughts?

Yeah, i definitely think op is mostly appealing to emotion atp

 

[g-money]

Yeah, i definitely think op is mostly appealing to emotion atp

Give me 100% set-in-stone proof of gods existence and his "powers" and i'll become Christian today. Don't use "eye-witness" as proof.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Jesus was a real person bro
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Exactly, its a mans opinion. Thats why its called history. His Story. You didnt experience it, therefore you cant be sure he existed...

 

[Sayori]

History is the words of men, and cant be verified unless you experienced it, therefore no religion can be verified.

When your doctor tells you to take your meds since they'd help you how do you know he really gave you poison pills?

Are you going to take them to a lab to analyze them? No, you're not because there is such thing as credibility

So, when a bunch of historians, archologist, etc tell you the crucifixion happened and there is proof for it are you going to go physically look for it or are you going to believe people with credibility?

Even if this concept didn't exist it doesn't matter since you could literally check the physical evidence for his existence and the crucifixion yourself

 

[VampyrMaxx]

When your doctor tells you to take your meds since they'd help you how do you know he really gave you poison pills?

Are you going to take them to a lab to analyze them? No, you're not because there is such thing as credibility

So, when a bunch of historians, archologist, etc tell you the crucifixion happened and there is proof for it are you going to go physically look for it or are you going to believe people with credibility?

Even if this concept didn't exist it doesn't matter since you could literally check the physical evidence for his existence and the crucifixion yourself

Exactly, people are stupid to take the word of a doctor...

(Unironically the pills are very bad for human health)

 

[Sayori]

No, because you can't prove Jesus actually existed, you can only BELIEVE that he existed.

Exactly, its a mans opinion. Thats why its called history. His Story. You didnt experience it, therefore you cant be sure he existed...

Its more than just eye witness there are literally physical evidence like his sandals, the cross, etc stuff like that

 

[CalmFrog]

Jesus was a real person bro
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As Muslims we do believe in Jesus, but it is what happened to him and after is what we differ on

 

[g-money]

Its more than just eye witness there are literally physical evidence like his sandals, the cross, etc stuff like that

show

 

[porn addict 67]

What would u say is the source of your morals

My mind

 

[Sayori]

show

just search it up they are in museums

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Its more than just eye witness there are literally physical evidence like his sandals, the cross, etc stuff like that

Nah there is no physical evidence

 

[mohito]

Give me 100% set-in-stone proof of gods existence and his "powers" and i'll become Christian today. Don't use "eye-witness" as proof.

It was never about evidence, it’s about conviction

My mind

Subjective relativism

 

[porn addict 67]

Define good person morally?

I could be in my subjective opinion that a good person could be someone that murders people

Without an objective morality how can one truly call another a good person

Selfless and beneficial acts are good, selfish and harmful acts are bad and acts that are neither selfish or selfless are nuetral

 

[ngannou]

Exactly, its a mans opinion. Thats why its called history. His Story. You didnt experience it, therefore you cant be sure he existed...

So just because I didn't experience donald trump in irl can I assume donald trump is a virtual character made by media?

 

[g-money]

It was never about evidence, it’s about conviction

so there is no evidence of proof of god?

 

[g-money]

So just because I didn't experience donald trump in irl can I assume donald trump is a virtual character made by media?

donald trump is a pussy

 

[VampyrMaxx]

So just because I didn't experience donald trump in irl can I assume donald trump is a virtual character made by media?

You wouldnt be able to assume anything actually, bcz its just pixels on a screen. And pixels can be faked.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

So just because I didn't experience donald trump in irl can I assume donald trump is a virtual character made by media?

just search it up they are in museums

so there is no evidence of proof of god?

It was never about evidence, it’s about conviction


Subjective relativism

My mind

Everybody here seems pretty smart. Nobody is stupid for believing something.

Maybe we just have to question ourselves WHY we believe something to be true. And that will give us more answers possibly.