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[girthygirt]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

 

[girthygirt]

No hating intention in this thread, honestly, just want to see people's perspective on it

 

[DRACOX]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

He becomes dalit food regardless

 

[ngannou]

Theoretically yes but God will give enough time for you to contemplate

 

[registerfasterusing]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

I had this exact same thought a few months ago. I was wondering what happened to ppl who lived like 50000yrs ago. A Christian and Muslim both told me that somebody will tell them the teachings of the religion when they die, and then they will be given a test of some sort in the afterlife to determine whether they go to heaven or hell

 

[girthygirt]

I had this exact same thought a few months ago. I was wondering what happened to ppl who lived like 50000yrs ago. A Christian and Muslim both told me that somebody will tell them the teachings of the religion when they die, and then they will be given a test of some sort in the afterlife to determine whether they go to heaven or hell

i wonder why this test is never mentioned in the bible or the Quran as far as I know. I wonder if their response they were referring to something like purgatory.

 

[ngannou]

I had this exact same thought a few months ago. I was wondering what happened to ppl who lived like 50000yrs ago. A Christian and Muslim both told me that somebody will tell them the teachings of the religion when they die, and then they will be given a test of some sort in the afterlife to determine whether they go to heaven or hell

There is no mention of test in the afterlife. Only judgement

 

[girthygirt]

There is no mention of test in the afterlife. Only judgement

do u believe in purgatory?

 

[registerfasterusing]

i wonder why this test is never mentioned in the bible or the Quran as far as I know. I wonder if their response they were referring to something like purgatory.

Yeah idk, thats js what the guy said

 

[registerfasterusing]

There is no mention of test in the afterlife. Only judgement

Makes sense

 

[ngannou]

do u believe in purgatory?

That is catholic added human laws.

There is no mention of purgatory in the bible

 

[girthygirt]

Yeah idk, thats js what the guy said

whats ur stance on religon as of now? id say im athiest but agnostic at times but used to be catholic

 

[girthygirt]

That is catholic added human laws.

There is no mention of purgatory in the bible

Then how would God give the child time to join him in heaven? If he theoretically would go to Hell, wouldnt he be damned forever?

 

[registerfasterusing]

whats ur stance on religon as of now? id say im athiest but agnostic at times but used to be catholic

Im irreligious but not atheist or agnostic

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

 

[amirlooksmaxxing123]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

fr

 

[ngannou]

Then how would God give the child time to join him in heaven? If he theoretically would go to Hell, wouldnt he be damned forever?

I am saying during his lifetime God will probably give enough time.

 

[ngannou]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

fr

Cope. God can come as man he can do whatever he wants

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Cope. God can come as man he can do whatever he wants

God is greater than coming as a human being and dying on a cross.

Why is it that Jesus prayed to the father when on the cross? Why not pray to himself if he’s god? Why pray at all?

 

[ngannou]

God is greater than coming as a human being and dying on a cross.

Why is it that Jesus prayed to the father when on the cross? Why not pray to himself if he’s god? Why pray at all?

Why do you judge God when he can do whatever he wants? You are pushing your own standards against God trying to define God with your own preferences

 

[girthygirt]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

What would happen in a muslim perspective of this hypothetical, then. the kid is a christian

 

[Gamerspyy786]

What would happen in a muslim perspective of this hypothetical, then. the kid is a christian

A Christian who never got the message of Islam? That is quite rare tbh, because the entire premise of the religion is to worship one God alone, and follow the teachings of the prophet of their time (prophet Mohammad). And nowadays knowledge is widespread so finding the truth is not that hard. However,

A person above the age of puberty who dies without ever receiving the message of Islam gets tested in their own way by God on the day of judgement. The will not immediately enter Hell for being a disbeliever, because it would be unfair on the individual for never receiving the message of Islam. The will also, no matter what, be held accountable for their actions on earth, for example if they kill somebody, they will see to that on the day of judgement. Regardless if you were a believer or not. They could be forgiven with the mercy of God, or see to the punishment if they took somebody’s life unjustly, it all depends on the circumstances and the other persons say in the matter who was wronged.

However any child that dies weather a believer or not will enter heaven automatically, as Islam doesn’t have a concept of “original sin” and every child is born inherently good.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Why do you judge God when he can do whatever he wants? You are pushing your own standards against God trying to define God with your own preferences

Ur not really answering my question

For what purpose did Jesus even call out to the father? If he was God, why did he let himself be humiliated by dying on a cross? As Muslims we believe the one true God raised him up to heaven and a person who just looked like Jesus was hanged, the real Jesus, the prophet of God, was raised up to the heavens.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

What would happen in a muslim perspective of this hypothetical, then. the kid is a christian

But I just read the thread and ur asking about children, so yeah as i mentioned in my reply any child regardless of race, religious background etc will enter heaven automatically as they didn’t have the intellectual reasoning within themselves to come to their own conclusion.

So long as they were under the age of physical and mental maturity, (aka puberty) they would be in heaven right now if they died before reaching adulthood.

 

[BeanCelll]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

This is always a question I had. In this scenario islam is randomly assumed to be truth, if someone grew in say maybe an extremely rural christian town with no knowledge of allah ever existing and died at a premature age what happens to them? or even the inverse what actually is the answer to this?

 

[girthygirt]

A Christian who never got the message of Islam? That is quite rare tbh, because the entire premise of the religion is to worship one God alone, and follow the teachings of the prophet of their time (prophet Mohammad). And nowadays knowledge is widespread so finding the truth is not that hard. However,

A person above the age of puberty who dies without ever receiving the message of Islam gets tested in their own way by God on the day of judgement. The will not immediately enter Hell for being a disbeliever, because it would be unfair on the individual for never receiving the message of Islam. The will also, no matter what, be held accountable for their actions on earth, for example if they kill somebody, they will see to that on the day of judgement. Regardless if you were a believer or not. They could be forgiven with the mercy of God, or see to the punishment if they took somebody’s life unjustly, it all depends on the circumstances and the other persons say in the matter who was wronged.

However any child that dies weather a believer or not will enter heaven automatically, as Islam doesn’t have a concept of “original sin” and every child is born inherently good.

no a christian child in the exact scenario i listed for the muslim child

 

[ICXCLuvr]

i heard a debater say “they would have rejected him even if they knew he existed” which i simply just don’t believe. i honestly don’t know and i am starting to stop believing in christianity. so my username a little outdated

 

[girthygirt]

i heard a debater say “they would have rejected him even if they knew he existed” which i simply just don’t believe. i honestly don’t know and i am starting to stop believing in christianity. so my username a little outdated

i used to be extremely catholic trying to debate others but now id say im completely fallen from my faith but instead look at it ina positive manner as i feel more educated now

 

[ICXCLuvr]

i used to be extremely catholic trying to debate others but now id say im completely fallen from my faith but instead look at it ina positive manner as i feel more educated now

same ngl i was the most religious in my family but now i just can’t believe it anymore. i tried to but

 

[girthygirt]

same ngl i was the most religious in my family but now i just can’t believe it anymore. i tried to but

idk my city is a pretty chrisitan city and my whole dads side is catholic so i jsut honestly dont share it that im athiest now.

 

[Bars]

Hell

 

[girthygirt]

Hell

how brutal

 

[keife]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

Romans 2:14-16 – Gentiles who do not know the Law but do what is right will be judged by their conscience.

 

[grilldaddy❤️]

Children don’t go to hell since they are not old enough to judge

 

[girthygirt]

Romans 2:14-16 – Gentiles who do not know the Law but do what is right will be judged by their conscience.

thats why i mentioned how the child saw an article about Christianity ?

 

[girthygirt]

Children don’t go to hell since they are not old enough to judge

That applies to children under 6, this hypotehtical could be a kid from 7-12

 

[keife]

thats why i mentioned how the child saw an article about Christianity ?

I know and that’s my reply, the kid dosent know of the word nor understand it just by someone handing a article out

 

[girthygirt]

I know and that’s my reply, the kid dosent know of the word nor understand it just by someone handing a article out

billions of people die without knowing the fullness of Christianity and the theology of it, so i feel this arguement ur using is pretty flawed and stretched-out but i understand what ur trying to say

 

[333SchizoEthnic666]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

@Jewgymmaxx

 

[keife]

billions of people die without knowing the fullness of Christianity and the theology of it, so i feel this arguement ur using is pretty flawed and stretched-out but i understand what ur trying to say

Imagine a child raised in a desert with no access to clean water. and a stranger throws them a sealed bottle and walks away without saying anything then tge child tosses it aside. Can you say they “rejected clean water”?
Most people who haven’t heard “ the word” aren’t like this kid

 

[keife]

billions of people die without knowing the fullness of Christianity and the theology of it, so i feel this arguement ur using is pretty flawed and stretched-out but i understand what ur trying to say

Just my opinions tho I’ll ping a high iq Christian

 

[girthygirt]

Imagine a child raised in a desert with no access to clean water. and a stranger throws them a sealed bottle and walks away without saying anything then tge child tosses it aside. Can you say they “rejected clean water”?
Most people who haven’t heard “ the word” aren’t like this kid

You'd be surprised and what do u define of hearing the word

 

[Gamerspyy786]

no a christian child in the exact scenario i listed for the muslim child

Oh I told you, from the Islamic perspective any child (so anyone under the age of puberty) who dies even if they “accept Christ as their saviour” won’t enter Hell because they are too young to make the judgement for themselves. Any and every child who dies in this life automatically goes to heaven according to the Islamic perspective.

From the Christian perspective, I wouldn’t know. I’m not a Christian.

 

[keife]

Just my opinions tho I’ll ping a high iq Christian

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[girthygirt]

From the Christian perspective, I wouldn’t know. I’m not a Christian.

obviosuly bruh, thanks for the clarification tho

 

[girthygirt]

Oh I told you, from the Islamic perspective any child who dies even if they “accept Christ as their saviour” won’t enter Hell because they are too young to make the judgement for themselves. Any and every child who dies in this life automatically goes to heaven according to the Islamic perspective.

From the Christian perspective, I wouldn’t know. I’m not a Christian.

may i ask u another question centered towards Muslims

 

[keife]

You'd be surprised and what do u define of hearing the word

I do have my own definition but it’s hard to say whether I’m right as it’s not as outlined in the bible as people hope so it’s interpretation for most

 

[Gamerspyy786]

may i ask u another question centered towards Muslims

Sure

 

[grilldaddy❤️]

That applies to children under 6, this hypotehtical could be a kid from 7-12

who said that it only applies to children under 6?

 

[girthygirt]

who said that it only applies to children under 6?

thats the most popular response from theologians and christian organizations is it not?