Replicating Gigantism to Maximize Height — The Science Behind EXTREME Supraphysiological HGH

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Pathological Hypersecretion of Growth Hormone: The Endocrinology of Gigantism and Its Replicable Mechanisms

Gigantism and acromegaly are endocrine disorders arising from chronic hypersecretion of growth hormone (GH), typically due to a somatotroph adenoma of the anterior pituitary. The primary distinction between the two lies in the status of the epiphyseal growth plates: in gigantism, GH excess occurs before growth plate fusion, resulting in abnormal longitudinal skeletal growth and extreme height; in acromegaly, GH excess arises post-fusion, leading to soft tissue hypertrophy and appositional bone growth, without increased height.
In affected individuals, serum GH concentrations can exceed 100 ng/mL, compared to normal pulsatile peaks of ~3–5 ng/mL in healthy adolescents.

These elevated GH levels chronically stimulate hepatic production of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), which acts in an endocrine, autocrine, and paracrine fashion on the epiphyseal growth plates, promoting chondrocyte proliferation, hypertrophy, and extracellular matrix production via activation of the PI3K-AKT-mTOR and JAK-STAT pathways. IGF-1 is the principal effector of somatic growth, mediating nearly all mitogenic and anabolic actions attributed to GH. This hormonal axis is self-amplifying: GH increases IGF-1, which in turn increases GH receptor density and potentiates sensitivity in growth-competent tissues.

Critically, there is no intrinsic saturation threshold for GH/IGF-1 signaling prior to growth plate fusion. As long as the cartilage of the growth plate remains unossified and active, increasing GH results in linearly increasing IGF-1 activity, with no evidence of physiological downregulation or feedback-induced resistance at the level of target tissues. The perceived “ceiling” to height in normal development is due not to a plateau in GH signaling but to the closure of growth plates via estrogen-induced epiphyseal fusion. Therefore, in gigantism, the absence of early estrogen exposure permits prolonged skeletal responsiveness to GH, often resulting in adult heights exceeding 210–220 cm.


To replicate the phenotype of gigantism pharmacologically, one must mimic both the endocrine environment and developmental timing. This involves three synergistic objectives:

  1. Supraphysiological GH administration: Exogenous recombinant human GH (rhGH), such as somatropin, must be administered in dosages that elevate circulating levels to those seen in adenoma-driven hypersecretion. Clinical acromegalics can produce over 50–100 IU of GH per day endogenously; therefore, experimental protocols targeting skeletal overgrowth should use 20–50 IU/day to mirror these levels. This drastically exceeds therapeutic replacement doses (~1–2 IU/day in GH-deficient individuals) and is necessary to induce pathological IGF-1 concentrations (>600–900 ng/mL).
  2. Estrogen suppression: Since epiphyseal fusion is governed primarily by estradiol (E2)—even in males via aromatization of testosterone—it is imperative to pharmacologically inhibit estrogen biosynthesis. Aromasin (Exemestane), a steroidal irreversible aromatase inhibitor, is the agent of choice due to its long half-life and high tissue penetration. By maintaining low systemic estrogen (<10 pg/mL), growth plates remain open and sensitive to the proliferative effects of GH/IGF-1. This mirrors the delayed fusion seen in prepubertal gigantism cases.
  3. Nutritional and anabolic support: While GH and IGF-1 provide the mitogenic signal, the morphological realization of height increase requires an abundance of substrates—calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium, and high-quality dietary protein and carbohydrated for matrix synthesis and mineralization. The structural demands imposed by forced hyperplasia of skeletal tissue are immense; deficiencies will attenuate growth and increase fracture risk.



In summary, there is no physiological "limit" to growth hormone-induced height gain, so long as the growth plates remain unfused and systemic IGF-1 remains elevated. Gigantism is not a unique genetic state, but a hormonal environment that can be partially recapitulated with pharmacology. The primary constraint is timing once fusion occurs, the window closes permanently. Thus, if one intervenes early enough with massive GH dosing and estrogen suppression, it is theoretically possible to engineer a controlled, synthetic form of gigantism, replicating the excessive height seen in pituitary disorders.



Example Synthetic Gigantism Stack


1. Human Growth Hormone (Somatropin)


  • Dose: 20–40 IU/day
  • Timing: Split into 2–3 subcutaneous injections daily (e.g., morning, midday, night) to mimic pulsatile secretion and minimize insulin resistance
  • Cycle Length: 6–18 months (or until epiphyseal fusion risk rises

2. Aromatase Inhibitor (Aromasin)


  • Dose: 12.5 mg every other day (EOD)
  • Monitoring: Estradiol target <15 pg/mL (via bloodwork every 4–6 weeks)
  • Form: Oral, take with fat-containing meal

3. Milk (Micronutrient & Caloric Base)


  • Amount: 2–3 liters/day
  • Macros (per liter): ~640 kcal / 32g protein / 48g carbs / 36g fat
  • Form: Preferably A2, grass-fed raw milk for maximal calcium, K2, and bioavailable fats


4. Red Meat (Protein & Micronutrients)


  • Amount: 600–800g/day (e.g., grass-fed beef, lamb)
  • Macros (per 100g): ~250 kcal / 26g protein / 20g fat
  • Micros: High in zinc, iron, B12, creatine, carnitine

5. Carbohydrates (Insulinogenic Support & Energy)


  • Target: 300–500g/day
  • Sources: White rice, honey, dates, fruit, oats, sourdough
  • Timing: Emphasize post-injection to leverage GH-insulin synergy


Total Daily Intake (Example Target for 65–75kg adolescent)

  • Protein: 300g
  • Carbs: 400g
  • Fat: 150g
  • GH: 20–40 IU
  • Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD
Increase relative to height increase
 
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Height is genetics
Steroids won't make you taller unless you have dwarfism
There are zero studies proving that HGH use can increase predicted adult height in healthy humans
 
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Height is genetics
Steroids won't make you taller unless you have dwarfism
There are zero studies proving that HGH use can increase predicted adult height in healthy humans
mirrin low iq

gigantism proves HGH alone overrides genetics. People with short parents still reach 7–8 feet due to supraphysiological HGH during growth years. It’s not about “correcting” dwarfism it’s about hyperstimulating the growth plates. No RCTs exist because it’s "unethical" to mega dose kids, but the mechanism is proven: more HGH = more IGF-1 = more height if plates are open.
 
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mirrin low iq

gigantism proves HGH alone overrides genetics. People with short parents still reach 7–8 feet due to supraphysiological HGH during growth years. It’s not about “correcting” dwarfism it’s about hyperstimulating the growth plates. No RCTs exist because it’s "unethical" to mega dose kids, but the mechanism is proven: more HGH = more IGF-1 = more height if plates are open.
Show me a study
You can't
There is no study to back this up
 
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Mirrin low sentience. The only physiological difference between a child with gigantism and a normal child is chronically elevated growth hormone in the bloodstream. Same bones, same receptors, same growth plates what changes is the amount of GH and, by extension, IGF-1. That’s what drives their height to 7–8 feet, even if their parents are short. There’s no mystery, no secret gene just massive hormonal stimulation of linear bone growth. Denying this is like denying insulin causes glucose uptake. Low iq peasant


You're demanding RCTs of mega-dosing HGH in children, but that’s a category error. The absence of such studies is due to ethical constraints, not lack of mechanistic support. Here's the actual evidence base from chatgpt:

Mechanism: GH > IGF-1 > Epiphyseal Growth​

  1. Rosenfeld, R. G., & Cohen, P. (2006).
    "Disorders of growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor secretion and action." Endocrine Reviews.
    • GH stimulates hepatic and local IGF-1 production, which directly stimulates chondrocyte hypertrophy and proliferation in the growth plate.
  2. Lupu et al. (2001).
    "Roles of growth hormone and IGF-1 in mouse postnatal growth." Developmental Biology.
    • IGF-1 knockout mice show stunted growth despite normal GH, proving IGF-1 is the direct effector of bone elongation.
    • Overexpression of IGF-1 = increased bone growth.
  3. Ranke & Lindberg (2010).
    "Height prediction and effect of growth hormone: review of 1035 patients with idiopathic short stature." The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism.
    • Even within legal therapeutic ranges, GH dosing correlates positively with final adult height.
    • Shows a dose-response relationship, supporting that more GH = more height if plates are open.
  4. de Boer et al. (1997).
    "Final height after long-term GH treatment in children with isolated GH deficiency." Archives of Disease in Childhood.
    • GH-treated children exceed mid-parental height when therapy begins early and is sustained.

Clinical Proof by Exception: Gigantism​

  1. Melmed, S. (2006).
    "Medical progress: Acromegaly." New England Journal of Medicine.
    • Gigantism (GH excess before plate fusion) leads to heights of 7–8 feet, regardless of parental height.
    • Unambiguous proof that GH excess overrides genetic potential.

Animal Studies Confirm the Dose-Growth Link​

  1. Yakar et al. (2002).
    "Circulating levels of IGF-1 directly regulate bone growth and density." Journal of Clinical Investigation.
    • Mice with elevated serum IGF-1 grew longer bones, confirming a dose-dependent effect.
 
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Mirrin low sentience. The only physiological difference between a child with gigantism and a normal child is chronically elevated growth hormone in the bloodstream. Same bones, same receptors, same growth plates what changes is the amount of GH and, by extension, IGF-1. That’s what drives their height to 7–8 feet, even if their parents are short. There’s no mystery, no secret gene just massive hormonal stimulation of linear bone growth. Denying this is like denying insulin causes glucose uptake. Low iq peasant


You're demanding RCTs of mega-dosing HGH in children, but that’s a category error. The absence of such studies is due to ethical constraints, not lack of mechanistic support. Here's the actual evidence base from chatgpt:

Mechanism: GH > IGF-1 > Epiphyseal Growth​

  1. Rosenfeld, R. G., & Cohen, P. (2006).
    • GH stimulates hepatic and local IGF-1 production, which directly stimulates chondrocyte hypertrophy and proliferation in the growth plate.
  2. Lupu et al. (2001).
    • IGF-1 knockout mice show stunted growth despite normal GH, proving IGF-1 is the direct effector of bone elongation.
    • Overexpression of IGF-1 = increased bone growth.
  3. Ranke & Lindberg (2010).
    • Even within legal therapeutic ranges, GH dosing correlates positively with final adult height.
    • Shows a dose-response relationship, supporting that more GH = more height if plates are open.
  4. de Boer et al. (1997).
    • GH-treated children exceed mid-parental height when therapy begins early and is sustained.

Clinical Proof by Exception: Gigantism​

  1. Melmed, S. (2006).
    • Gigantism (GH excess before plate fusion) leads to heights of 7–8 feet, regardless of parental height.
    • Unambiguous proof that GH excess overrides genetic potential.

Animal Studies Confirm the Dose-Growth Link​

  1. Yakar et al. (2002).
    • Mice with elevated serum IGF-1 grew longer bones, confirming a dose-dependent effect.
dnr chatgpt
 
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Genetic fallacy
the studies are from chatgpt the text is written by myself, Im not going to go on a hunt to find studies for a low iq morron
 
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the studies are from chatgpt the text is written by myself, Im not going to go on a hunt to find studies for a low iq morron
I do the same sometimes so I have that genetic fallacy line on quick draw lmao
 
i thought 10 iu is alot for 16yr, but 20-40.....
 
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You can't
There is no study to back this up
thats like saying it’s impossible to have low glucose levels because only people with diabetes have low blood glucose
 
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thats like saying it’s impossible to have low glucose levels because only people with diabetes have low blood glucose
I'm not talking about glucose
All i'm saying is that steroids are cope for height
It's just genetics
 
mirin thread, what do you think about double-dosing skytrofa/ngenla? they are once weekly, so what would happen if you just took it more than once a week? wouldn't that be also efficient for replication of gigantism?
 
Interesting! Why have nobody ever tried this? Are there any case studies on how overdosing of HGH have effects on human body (I just wanna make sure I don't end up looking like a ugly giant)
 
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Interesting! Why have nobody ever tried this? Are there any case studies on how overdosing of HGH have effects on human body (I just wanna make sure I don't end up looking like a ugly giant)
Well there was this one guy on org who did it and he grew an inch at 23
 
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I'm not talking about glucose
All i'm saying is that steroids are cope for height
It's just genetics
mirin iq, you literally can’t be above 115 IQ if you don’t understand hypotheticals. the gap between you and me is the same as you and an ourangutan, im tested at 140 don’t even speak to me
 
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growth hormone is very expensive, if you use it adhering to your recommended dosages, it will turn out to be very, very expensive, even if a simple teenager earns extra money and gives all the money to it, he will not be able to afford such a course.
 
Doesn't hgh make you bald
 
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Pathological Hypersecretion of Growth Hormone: The Endocrinology of Gigantism and Its Replicable Mechanisms

Gigantism and acromegaly are endocrine disorders arising from chronic hypersecretion of growth hormone (GH), typically due to a somatotroph adenoma of the anterior pituitary. The primary distinction between the two lies in the status of the epiphyseal growth plates: in gigantism, GH excess occurs before growth plate fusion, resulting in abnormal longitudinal skeletal growth and extreme height; in acromegaly, GH excess arises post-fusion, leading to soft tissue hypertrophy and appositional bone growth, without increased height.
In affected individuals, serum GH concentrations can exceed 100 ng/mL, compared to normal pulsatile peaks of ~3–5 ng/mL in healthy adolescents.

These elevated GH levels chronically stimulate hepatic production of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), which acts in an endocrine, autocrine, and paracrine fashion on the epiphyseal growth plates, promoting chondrocyte proliferation, hypertrophy, and extracellular matrix production via activation of the PI3K-AKT-mTOR and JAK-STAT pathways. IGF-1 is the principal effector of somatic growth, mediating nearly all mitogenic and anabolic actions attributed to GH. This hormonal axis is self-amplifying: GH increases IGF-1, which in turn increases GH receptor density and potentiates sensitivity in growth-competent tissues.

Critically, there is no intrinsic saturation threshold for GH/IGF-1 signaling prior to growth plate fusion. As long as the cartilage of the growth plate remains unossified and active, increasing GH results in linearly increasing IGF-1 activity, with no evidence of physiological downregulation or feedback-induced resistance at the level of target tissues. The perceived “ceiling” to height in normal development is due not to a plateau in GH signaling but to the closure of growth plates via estrogen-induced epiphyseal fusion. Therefore, in gigantism, the absence of early estrogen exposure permits prolonged skeletal responsiveness to GH, often resulting in adult heights exceeding 210–220 cm.


To replicate the phenotype of gigantism pharmacologically, one must mimic both the endocrine environment and developmental timing. This involves three synergistic objectives:

  1. Supraphysiological GH administration: Exogenous recombinant human GH (rhGH), such as somatropin, must be administered in dosages that elevate circulating levels to those seen in adenoma-driven hypersecretion. Clinical acromegalics can produce over 50–100 IU of GH per day endogenously; therefore, experimental protocols targeting skeletal overgrowth should use 20–50 IU/day to mirror these levels. This drastically exceeds therapeutic replacement doses (~1–2 IU/day in GH-deficient individuals) and is necessary to induce pathological IGF-1 concentrations (>600–900 ng/mL).
  2. Estrogen suppression: Since epiphyseal fusion is governed primarily by estradiol (E2)—even in males via aromatization of testosterone—it is imperative to pharmacologically inhibit estrogen biosynthesis. Aromasin (Exemestane), a steroidal irreversible aromatase inhibitor, is the agent of choice due to its long half-life and high tissue penetration. By maintaining low systemic estrogen (<10 pg/mL), growth plates remain open and sensitive to the proliferative effects of GH/IGF-1. This mirrors the delayed fusion seen in prepubertal gigantism cases.
  3. Nutritional and anabolic support: While GH and IGF-1 provide the mitogenic signal, the morphological realization of height increase requires an abundance of substrates—calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium, and high-quality dietary protein and carbohydrated for matrix synthesis and mineralization. The structural demands imposed by forced hyperplasia of skeletal tissue are immense; deficiencies will attenuate growth and increase fracture risk.



In summary, there is no physiological "limit" to growth hormone-induced height gain, so long as the growth plates remain unfused and systemic IGF-1 remains elevated. Gigantism is not a unique genetic state, but a hormonal environment that can be partially recapitulated with pharmacology. The primary constraint is timing once fusion occurs, the window closes permanently. Thus, if one intervenes early enough with massive GH dosing and estrogen suppression, it is theoretically possible to engineer a controlled, synthetic form of gigantism, replicating the excessive height seen in pituitary disorders.



Example Synthetic Gigantism Stack


1. Human Growth Hormone (Somatropin)


  • Dose: 20–40 IU/day
  • Timing: Split into 2–3 subcutaneous injections daily (e.g., morning, midday, night) to mimic pulsatile secretion and minimize insulin resistance
  • Cycle Length: 6–18 months (or until epiphyseal fusion risk rises

2. Aromatase Inhibitor (Aromasin)


  • Dose: 12.5 mg every other day (EOD)
  • Monitoring: Estradiol target <15 pg/mL (via bloodwork every 4–6 weeks)
  • Form: Oral, take with fat-containing meal

3. Milk (Micronutrient & Caloric Base)


  • Amount: 2–3 liters/day
  • Macros (per liter): ~640 kcal / 32g protein / 48g carbs / 36g fat
  • Form: Preferably A2, grass-fed raw milk for maximal calcium, K2, and bioavailable fats


4. Red Meat (Protein & Micronutrients)


  • Amount: 600–800g/day (e.g., grass-fed beef, lamb)
  • Macros (per 100g): ~250 kcal / 26g protein / 20g fat
  • Micros: High in zinc, iron, B12, creatine, carnitine

5. Carbohydrates (Insulinogenic Support & Energy)


  • Target: 300–500g/day
  • Sources: White rice, honey, dates, fruit, oats, sourdough
  • Timing: Emphasize post-injection to leverage GH-insulin synergy


Total Daily Intake (Example Target for 65–75kg adolescent)

  • Protein: 300g
  • Carbs: 400g
  • Fat: 150g
  • GH: 20–40 IU
  • Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD
Increase relative to height increase
20 ius of HGH have almost no difference to 15 ius, after 5 ius hgh has less impact on igf-1 levels lol.
8 ius is ideal dosage

growth hormone is very expensive, if you use it adhering to your recommended dosages, it will turn out to be very, very expensive, even if a simple teenager earns extra money and gives all the money to it, he will not be able to afford such a course.
retard, 800 ius of HGH cost me 392 euros,with shipping and 99% quality janoshik tested.
Doesn't hgh make you bald
HGH improves hair health WTF :lul:
 
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Pathological Hypersecretion of Growth Hormone: The Endocrinology of Gigantism and Its Replicable Mechanisms

Gigantism and acromegaly are endocrine disorders arising from chronic hypersecretion of growth hormone (GH), typically due to a somatotroph adenoma of the anterior pituitary. The primary distinction between the two lies in the status of the epiphyseal growth plates: in gigantism, GH excess occurs before growth plate fusion, resulting in abnormal longitudinal skeletal growth and extreme height; in acromegaly, GH excess arises post-fusion, leading to soft tissue hypertrophy and appositional bone growth, without increased height.
In affected individuals, serum GH concentrations can exceed 100 ng/mL, compared to normal pulsatile peaks of ~3–5 ng/mL in healthy adolescents.

These elevated GH levels chronically stimulate hepatic production of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), which acts in an endocrine, autocrine, and paracrine fashion on the epiphyseal growth plates, promoting chondrocyte proliferation, hypertrophy, and extracellular matrix production via activation of the PI3K-AKT-mTOR and JAK-STAT pathways. IGF-1 is the principal effector of somatic growth, mediating nearly all mitogenic and anabolic actions attributed to GH. This hormonal axis is self-amplifying: GH increases IGF-1, which in turn increases GH receptor density and potentiates sensitivity in growth-competent tissues.

Critically, there is no intrinsic saturation threshold for GH/IGF-1 signaling prior to growth plate fusion. As long as the cartilage of the growth plate remains unossified and active, increasing GH results in linearly increasing IGF-1 activity, with no evidence of physiological downregulation or feedback-induced resistance at the level of target tissues. The perceived “ceiling” to height in normal development is due not to a plateau in GH signaling but to the closure of growth plates via estrogen-induced epiphyseal fusion. Therefore, in gigantism, the absence of early estrogen exposure permits prolonged skeletal responsiveness to GH, often resulting in adult heights exceeding 210–220 cm.


To replicate the phenotype of gigantism pharmacologically, one must mimic both the endocrine environment and developmental timing. This involves three synergistic objectives:

  1. Supraphysiological GH administration: Exogenous recombinant human GH (rhGH), such as somatropin, must be administered in dosages that elevate circulating levels to those seen in adenoma-driven hypersecretion. Clinical acromegalics can produce over 50–100 IU of GH per day endogenously; therefore, experimental protocols targeting skeletal overgrowth should use 20–50 IU/day to mirror these levels. This drastically exceeds therapeutic replacement doses (~1–2 IU/day in GH-deficient individuals) and is necessary to induce pathological IGF-1 concentrations (>600–900 ng/mL).
  2. Estrogen suppression: Since epiphyseal fusion is governed primarily by estradiol (E2)—even in males via aromatization of testosterone—it is imperative to pharmacologically inhibit estrogen biosynthesis. Aromasin (Exemestane), a steroidal irreversible aromatase inhibitor, is the agent of choice due to its long half-life and high tissue penetration. By maintaining low systemic estrogen (<10 pg/mL), growth plates remain open and sensitive to the proliferative effects of GH/IGF-1. This mirrors the delayed fusion seen in prepubertal gigantism cases.
  3. Nutritional and anabolic support: While GH and IGF-1 provide the mitogenic signal, the morphological realization of height increase requires an abundance of substrates—calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium, and high-quality dietary protein and carbohydrated for matrix synthesis and mineralization. The structural demands imposed by forced hyperplasia of skeletal tissue are immense; deficiencies will attenuate growth and increase fracture risk.



In summary, there is no physiological "limit" to growth hormone-induced height gain, so long as the growth plates remain unfused and systemic IGF-1 remains elevated. Gigantism is not a unique genetic state, but a hormonal environment that can be partially recapitulated with pharmacology. The primary constraint is timing once fusion occurs, the window closes permanently. Thus, if one intervenes early enough with massive GH dosing and estrogen suppression, it is theoretically possible to engineer a controlled, synthetic form of gigantism, replicating the excessive height seen in pituitary disorders.



Example Synthetic Gigantism Stack


1. Human Growth Hormone (Somatropin)


  • Dose: 20–40 IU/day
  • Timing: Split into 2–3 subcutaneous injections daily (e.g., morning, midday, night) to mimic pulsatile secretion and minimize insulin resistance
  • Cycle Length: 6–18 months (or until epiphyseal fusion risk rises

2. Aromatase Inhibitor (Aromasin)


  • Dose: 12.5 mg every other day (EOD)
  • Monitoring: Estradiol target <15 pg/mL (via bloodwork every 4–6 weeks)
  • Form: Oral, take with fat-containing meal

3. Milk (Micronutrient & Caloric Base)


  • Amount: 2–3 liters/day
  • Macros (per liter): ~640 kcal / 32g protein / 48g carbs / 36g fat
  • Form: Preferably A2, grass-fed raw milk for maximal calcium, K2, and bioavailable fats


4. Red Meat (Protein & Micronutrients)


  • Amount: 600–800g/day (e.g., grass-fed beef, lamb)
  • Macros (per 100g): ~250 kcal / 26g protein / 20g fat
  • Micros: High in zinc, iron, B12, creatine, carnitine

5. Carbohydrates (Insulinogenic Support & Energy)


  • Target: 300–500g/day
  • Sources: White rice, honey, dates, fruit, oats, sourdough
  • Timing: Emphasize post-injection to leverage GH-insulin synergy


Total Daily Intake (Example Target for 65–75kg adolescent)

  • Protein: 300g
  • Carbs: 400g
  • Fat: 150g
  • GH: 20–40 IU
  • Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD
Increase relative to height increase
I need to get goats at some point tbh
 
20 МЕ гормона роста человека почти не имеют разницы с 15 МЕ, после 5 МЕ гормон роста оказывает меньшее влияние на уровень IGF-1, лол.
8 мкг — идеальная дозировка

ретард, 800 МЕ гормона роста обошлись мне в 392 евро, включая доставку и 99% проверенного качества Janoshik.


HGH улучшает здоровье волос WTF:lul:
the name of the drug you bought? I'm in Russia and the only thing I could find was a 100 ME gintropin for 120+$
 

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