Reverse downward grown face?

[Deleted member 8904]

how can I go from a bit of recession like the right to more up grown face like the left? Is it possible? does it matter?

 

[maxmendietta]

"im just a bit recessed bro"

 

[clavicel]

10 years of hard mewing get to work

 

[Deleted member 6403]

@Over

 

[Deleted member 6305]

anime aesthetics found

@inceletto @Vidyacoper

 

[Deleted member 8904]

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"im just a bit recessed bro"

Listen I just said a bit of recession, I can’t see the exact shape of my skull but its not that bad, its just less than I want it to be.

 

[Rabbi]

Skull transplant

 

[Rabbi]

Legit tho all of this is fucking cope
If you actual skull has a shit base ruined by years of downwards growth forget it

 

[Hades]

Reincarnation is your only hope, sorry, it’s over.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

 

[Hades]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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Crazy ascension

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Crazy ascension

Yup, truly incredible that just 1 surgery can have such an ascending impact. He could have 10 other surgeries, and they wouldn't Looksmax him more points than what that 1 bimax surgery did.

It has to be the first choice of surgery for any recessed'cels surgery plan, and build from there.

 

[Ocelot]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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Looks like two different people, damn. Bimax is the closest one can get to any one surgery to massively improve the face.

 

[BigNoseSlavcel]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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I need this asap

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Looks like two different people, damn. Bimax is the closest one can get to any one surgery to massively improve the face.

Yep, the more recessed you are to start the more you will ascend, but some people here dont need this and still want it, expecting the same ascension as somebody recessed like the pic I posted.

Unfortunately with surgery, its the people with the big glaring flaws who will improve the most, not the guys who have mediocre features but no stand-out failos. I firmly believe surgery cant create beauty, just wipe out ugliness.

 

[Ocelot]

Yep, the more recessed you are to start the more you will ascend, but some people here dont need this and still want it, expecting the same ascension as somebody recessed like the pic I posted.

Unfortunately with surgery, its the people with the big glaring flaws who will improve the most, not the guys who have mediocre features but no stand-out failos. I firmly believe surgery cant create beauty, just wipe out ugliness.

Not necessarily true, but this is arguing semantics. Less ugly = better looking. Even if it's "plain" or conventional GL, less flaws = more attractive.

Also, implants, osteotomies, and fillers (if they count) have shown great results. Even some users on PSL sites like Amnesia, Salludon, Kota, GetLooksorDie, and more, have become legitimately good looking thanks to the aforementioned procedures.

 

[Polka]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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Do you know if he had an overbite or not?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Do you know if he had an overbite or not?

No the guy didn't give many details unfortunately, just posted a before/after on Lookismm.net

 

[EdouardManlet]

Just tilt your head back.

 

[Deleted member 8904]

Just tilt your head back.

thats what I do



I don’t know if I can cope with this any longer. If mse + facemask is legit then I need it asap

 

[Deleted member 5385]

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how can I go from a bit of recession like the right to more up grown face like the left? Is it possible? does it matter?

Its one of the main problems to solve on this forum. You see in downward growth face cranial base is fucked up, like 145 degree while Forward growth is 118 degree. In downward growth you see increased and high gonial angle, nose height Lenghtening and whole midface is longer.

This is real question since bimax will do shit for downward growth maxilla. There was some study about n2 implant where some examples show completly reversing downward growth but i think It's still not enough

The efficacy of maxillary protraction protocols with the micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) and the novel N2 mini-implant-a finite element study - PubMed

By varying the location of N2 mini-implants and vector of class III mechanics, clinicians can differentially alter the magnitude of forward, downward, and rotational movement of the maxilla. As a result, treatment protocol can be customized for each unique class III patient.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And yes its matter

 

[Lars2210]

i dont think ive ever seen anyone in real life as bad as the right

the avg person is not THAT downward grown

 

[Deleted member 8904]

Its one of the main problems to solve on this forum. You see in downward growth face cranial base is fucked up, like 145 degree while Forward growth is 118 degree. In downward growth you see increased and high gonial angle, nose height Lenghtening and whole midface is longer.
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This is real question since bimax will do shit for downward growth maxilla. There was some study about n2 implant where some examples show completly reversing downward growth but i think It's still not enough

The efficacy of maxillary protraction protocols with the micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) and the novel N2 mini-implant-a finite element study - PubMed

By varying the location of N2 mini-implants and vector of class III mechanics, clinicians can differentially alter the magnitude of forward, downward, and rotational movement of the maxilla. As a result, treatment protocol can be customized for each unique class III patient.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And yes its matter
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Can you explain the N2 implant and why it would not be enough?

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Can you explain the N2 implant and why it would not be enough?

Cause those are simulations and we are not 100 percent sure if this will compress maxilla. Hovewer If you look at simulations C or F you will see dramatic upward growth

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Cause those are simulations and we are not 100 percent sure if this will compress maxilla. Hovewer If you look at simulations C or F you will see dramatic upward growth

why do u keep posting abt that lmfao. its not possible and never will be. the simulations were just theoretical and they never developed anything bc of many issues w the design (just look at the stress diagrams). incredibly low iq to keep sperging abt that shit esp when its from half a decade ago.

 

[Deleted member 7863]

imagine having the sligthest sign of reccesion in your face
cant relate

 

[Deleted member 5385]

why do u keep posting abt that lmfao. its not possible and never will be. the simulations were just theoretical and they never developed anything bc of many issues w the design (just look at the stress diagrams). incredibly low iq to keep sperging abt that shit esp when its from half a decade ago.

Where did you read that? Link please
Also there could developed in the future something what would give similar effects, you know you can't shorten anterior maxilla and decreased cranial angle with surgery. Downward growth is without a reason one of the worst things after things like cancers, genetic mutations and I will not trying to find a way.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

like cancers, genetic mutations

lol

 

[Shebe]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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Did he get rhino too?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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i have so much more respect for the person on the right than the person on the left

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Where did you read that? Link please
Also there could developed in the future something what would give similar effects, you know you can't shorten anterior maxilla and decreased cranial angle with surgery. Downward growth is without a reason one of the worst things after things like cancers, genetic mutations and I will not trying to find a way.

can’t find the link, but a ucla student posted on tgw abt it a while back, citing those reasons as why they aren’t proceeding with any of that.

not being able to shorten anterior maxilla is just smth you’ll have to come to accept jfl. many other bad features of downward growth can be fixed thru orthognathic surgery tho.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

can’t find the link, but a ucla student posted on tgw abt it a while back, citing those reasons as why they aren’t proceeding with any of that.

not being able to shorten anterior maxilla is just smth you must not accept it jfl. many other bad features of downward growth can be fixed thru orthognathic surgery tho.

So this study was made by students?
I thought it was made by Won Moon himself
Also weird they didn't try to modify this cause concept was great.
Also can I pm you ?

 

[curryslayerordeath]

So this study was made by students?
I thought it was made by Won Moon himself
Also weird they didn't try to modify this cause concept was great.
Also can I pm you ?

won moon is the lab director so the projects are carried out by phd students & post docs under his guidance/directions. the concept was obv great, but it wasnt remotely feasible seems like (cuz of possible permanent damage). ye sure pm.

 

[betamanlet]

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"im just a bit recessed bro"

You are fine just lose some fat

t. reddit

 

[betamanlet]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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Different angle and lighting

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Did he get rhino too?

No just bimax ccw rotated and genioplasty

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Its one of the main problems to solve on this forum. You see in downward growth face cranial base is fucked up, like 145 degree while Forward growth is 118 degree. In downward growth you see increased and high gonial angle, nose height Lenghtening and whole midface is longer.
View attachment 647061
This is real question since bimax will do shit for downward growth maxilla. There was some study about n2 implant where some examples show completly reversing downward growth but i think It's still not enough

The efficacy of maxillary protraction protocols with the micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) and the novel N2 mini-implant-a finite element study - PubMed

By varying the location of N2 mini-implants and vector of class III mechanics, clinicians can differentially alter the magnitude of forward, downward, and rotational movement of the maxilla. As a result, treatment protocol can be customized for each unique class III patient.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And yes its matter
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I mean the lower third can be fixed via bimax and ccw, and IMO so can the cheekbones.

Look at how the implant is designed and angled:

The cheekbones are not only coming forward, they're also going UP (giving upward facing zygos rather than downward aiming).

downward facing recessed zygos

upward facing forward set zygos

And the forehead shape will fix itself once you have bimax and stop having a forward head posture. The only thing we can't do surgically is shorten the lengthened mid face, or widen the narrowed IPD (both probably side-effects from being overall recessed).

But still, these procedures are enough to take most recessed incels into at least High Tier Normie range, where they can enjoy a good life supposing they're not aspie.

 

[EdwardCullen]

I mean the lower third can be fixed via bimax and ccw, and IMO so can the cheekbones.

Look at how the implant is designed and angled:
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The cheekbones are not only coming forward, they're also going UP (giving forward facing zygos rather than downward aiming).

View attachment 648469 downward facing recessed zygos
View attachment 648471 upward facing forward set zygos

And the forehead shape will fix itself once you have bimax and stop having a forward head posture. The only thing we can't do surgically is shorten the lengthened mid face, or widen the narrowed IPD (both probably side-effects from being overall recessed).

But still, these procedures are enough to take most recessed incels into at least High Tier Normie range, where they can enjoy a good life supposing they're not aspie.

Man i really want zygo implants so bad , my jaw is decent, i just need a genioplasty and zygo implants to enjoy the rest of my life, i might do lower eyelid tightening but fear a feminine look

 

[Deleted member 8904]

Man i really want zygo implants so bad , my jaw is decent, i just need a genioplasty and zygo implants to enjoy the rest of my life, i might do lower eyelid tightening but fear a feminine look

Same. I need zygo + infraorbital rim implants asap. If I do that I will be 7 psl I’m not even fucking with you my undereyes failo me so hard.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Man i really want zygo implants so bad , my jaw is decent, i just need a genioplasty and zygo implants to enjoy the rest of my life, i might do lower eyelid tightening but fear a feminine look

yeah dont get canthoplexy, shit always looks fake and off, especially on men. You wont need it if you get yourself nice zygos and infraorbital rims anyway

 

[Shebe]

No just bimax ccw rotated and genioplasty

his nose looks a lot different

 

[EdwardCullen]

Same. I need zygo + infraorbital rim implants asap. If I do that I will be 7 psl I’m not even fucking with you my undereyes failo me so hard.

yeah dont get canthoplexy, shit always looks fake and off, especially on men. You wont need it if you get yourself nice zygos and infraorbital rims anyway

I also suffer from lower eyelid scleral show but when i squint my eye area is good. i have hooding and good medial canthus, my eye area is the only thing that saves me from complete inceldom

 

[Deleted member 4797]

his nose looks a lot different

The upper jaw comes forward, and it brings the nostrils forward with it. Same like happened on this result (only bimax as well, no rhinoplasty)

 

[SPFromNY914]

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how can I go from a bit of recession like the right to more up grown face like the left? Is it possible? does it matter?

Facepulling + mewing or Lefort 3 or Bimax CCW +implants

 

[Ampere]

Facepulling + mewing or Lefort 3 or Bimax CCW +implants

Ultimate is LF3 with CCW, which doesn't exist
People often talk how PFL and IPD are unfixable failos but fail to mention that downward growth isn't fixable either, you can camouflage it but you've fucked your potential over and it's impossible to recover. Insane suifuel tbh

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Its possible, bimax with CCW rotation.

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can't wait to get this after my second MSE

 

[spark]

Crazy ascension

That is josh from lookism. He confirmed he did not ascend.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Downward growth is a curse

 

[orthochadic]

Ultimate is LF3 with CCW, which doesn't exist
People often talk how PFL and IPD are unfixable failos but fail to mention that downward growth isn't fixable either, you can camouflage it but you've fucked your potential over and it's impossible to recover. Insane suifuel tbh

Moving the maxilla up and forward is possible. But it won't shorten the face, let me explain:

Moving the maxilla forward add length to the face, and moving it upward reduce this gaind length.
Facepulling over time will give you more forward growth and less face downward angle while keeping the same face length. Its hard to explain but i talked to a spanish orthotropics irl during a consultation and he showed me subtle result on his patients who got the treatment for more than a year. So let's imagin what would happen if someone blasted HGH for 4 years.
We would end up with a Chad forward growth suitable to our actual face length. In othr term our fac length wouldn't be a failo anymore as it would come from an insane forward growth rather than downward growth.

So Orthotropics Facepulling is legit if you add HGH to it, and no need to cry for our longue midface. Yeah you can't shorten it, but you can make that your face length comes from an insane amont of forward growth rather than a downsing.
The angle at which your zygo are hanging will be improvd and your eyes canthus will move upward. This is what moving the maxilla up and forward means.
Shortening the face is impossible, but replacing downward growth by forward growth is indeed.
At the same time someone will stare at your fucked midface ratio, he will have to face a huge forward growth explaining it, so no perception of downward growth will be perceived.
So up and forward facepull allows us to keep the same nose length but the face angle would change as it would move forward (downward) and upward at the same time.
And zygomatic arch implant of 3 mm on each side add 6 mm to the face width, thus shortening the face visually.
All i state isn't cope, because i saw adults imporvement pictures from the ortho from my own eyes, and imagin how this info is valuable mixed with hgh.
So just go to an orthotropics theory and blast hgh is legit.
And then get msdo bsso and implant (don't let him touch to your mandible they will only flare your lower teeth) .
End of the story for the Viscerocranium.
Or get an mse + facmask it s th same.
(yeah orthotropics will mess up your teeth more but you will hav less scar tissue from th fast expansion rate so it s up to your choice but both methods works for adults.)

 

[Ampere]

Moving the maxilla up and forward is possible. But it won't shorten the face, let me explain:

Moving the maxilla forward add length to the face, and moving it upward reduce this gaind length.
Facepulling over time will give you more forward growth and less face downward angle while keeping the same face length. Its hard to explain but i talked to a spanish orthotropics irl during a consultation and he showed me subtle result on his patients who got the treatment for more than a year. So let's imagin what would happen if someone blasted HGH for 4 years.
We would end up with a Chad forward growth suitable to our actual face length. In othr term our fac length wouldn't be a failo anymore as it would come from an insane forward growth rather than downward growth.

So Orthotropics Facepulling is legit if you add HGH to it, and no need to cry for our longue midface. Yeah you can't shorten it, but you can make that your face length comes from an insane amont of forward growth rather than a downsing.
The angle at which your zygo are hanging will be improvd and your eyes canthus will move upward. This is what moving the maxilla up and forward means.
Shortening the face is impossible, but replacing downward growth by forward growth is indeed.
At the same time someone will stare at your fucked midface ratio, he will have to face a huge forward growth explaining it, so no perception of downward growth will be perceived.
So up and forward facepull allows us to keep the same nose length but the face angle would change as it would move forward (downward) and upward at the same time.
And zygomatic arch implant of 3 mm on each side add 6 mm to the face width, thus shortening the face visually.
All i state isn't cope, because i saw adults imporvement pictures from the ortho from my own eyes, and imagin how this info is valuable mixed with hgh.
So just go to an orthotropics theory and blast hgh is legit.
And then get msdo bsso and implant (don't let him touch to your mandible they will only flare your lower teeth) .
End of the story for the Viscerocranium.
Or get an mse + facmask it s th same.
(yeah orthotropics will mess up your teeth more but you will hav less scar tissue from th fast expansion rate so it s up to your choice but both methods works for adults.)

I'm oldcel, I will just get MSE + bimax with CCW it'll be enough for me to ascend tbh ngl