REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE IN THE STEROIDS COMMUNITY: MENT OVER TREN

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

MENT has an anabolic androgenic ratio of 2300:650, Tren has an anabolic androgenic ratio of 500:500. Tren is neurotoxic DIRECTLY. No evidence of neurotoxicity from MENT. Tren is a “dry” compound. I put this in “” because this is ONE OF THE MOST misunderstood things about Tren. Although it’s true that Tren does not aromatize, it attaches extremely strong to the Progesterone Receptor. MENT attaches as strong as regular progesterone, but Tren attaches even stronger. This can be seen in guys who inject Tren with test (basically every person who takes tren) where they eventually develop gyno. “But Tren is a dry compound, blah blah blah”. That doesn’t matter. The test can still convert to E2 which results in extreme estrogenic side effects, and WATER RETENTION does not need to happen for estrogen and progesterone to be out of the roof, seen by many developing gyno on tren and test. SO, MENT logically speaking is better, but why does water retention happen then? The reason why can be guessed to be because of something found in the 19-nor family where they can react to the MR (Mineralocorticoid Receptor) AND the PR. The most logical explanation is that MENT reacts with the MR which causes water retention. In addition with shitty dosing, no AI, no SERM, and NO IQ, it’s a recipe for bloat. Assuming someone wanted to take 200mg/tren a week; 50mg of MENT/week (enanthate) would be the same with SIGNIFICANTLY less side effects. ONCE AGAIN, a SERM such as tamoxifen MUST be taken (safe during puberty because it extends growth plate closure time), an AI while taking the test also (maintain E2 at 10-15pg/mL and with MENT aromatizing at 10-20% rate of testosterone + such low dosage, it will be fine). MENT’s estrogenic form, 7 alpha methyl estrogen, has shown to be weaker and have a lower affinity than normal E2, highlighting how the “estrogenic” effects come from the progestin and steroid users mistaking water retention as an estrogen related issue (although that can enhance it). Additionally, hydrate extremely well (1 gallon of water a day), eat 4+ g potassium a day and 2+ g sodium a day, and add in a dry compound like Mast E and bloat is extremely low if not nonexistent. HGH and Teriparatide can be added during growth period but if not able to source Teriparatide, HGH should be enough. Additionally, BPC-157 and TB-500 logically significantly enhance the lifespan of the chondrocytes, allowing for them to cope with how much they’re being pushed. Thanks for listening to my rant (if you did), don’t comment if you DNR, and all of this is theoretical and not solid advice.

Sources:
Aromatization Rate of MENT:

LaMorte A, Kumar N, Bardin CW, Sundaram K. Aromatization of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone by human placental microsomes in vitro. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994 Feb;48(2-3):297-304. doi: 10.1016/0960-0760(94)90160-0. PMID: 8142308.

Potency of the 7 alpha methyl estrogen and MENT at the AR and PR:

García-Becerra R, Ordaz-Rosado D, Noé G, Chávez B, Cooney AJ, Larrea F. Comparison of 7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone effectiveness alone or combined with progestins on androgen receptor mediated-transactivation. Reproduction. 2012 Feb;143(2):211-9. doi: 10.1530/REP-11-0171. Epub 2011 Nov 7. PMID: 22065861.

Tamoxifen and increased Final Predicted Height:

Nerissa C. Kreher, Erica A. Eugster, R. Ravi Shankar; The Use of Tamoxifen to Improve Height Potential in Short Pubertal Boys. Pediatrics December 2005; 116 (6): 1513–1515. 10.1542/peds.2005-0577

2nd source for Tamoxifen:

Caroline de G. Buff Passone, Hilton Kuperman, Hamilton Cabral de Menezes-Filho, Lygia Spassapan Oliveira Esteves, Rachel Lana Obata Giroto, Durval Damiani; Tamoxifen Improves Final Height Prediction in Girls with McCune-Albright Syndrome: A Long Follow-Up. Horm Res Paediatr 1 September 2015; 84 (3): 184–189

 

[Ascension_incoming]

dnr

 

[LuhManiac]

dnr

 

[Foreverbrad]

It’s just methylated nandrolone.
Everything that applies to controlling nandrolone sides applies to MENT.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

It’s just methylated nandrolone.
Everything that applies to controlling nandrolone sides applies to MENT.

Simple way to think of it. But to frame it as “just” methylated extremely undermines the differences between nandrolone and MENT. It’s not the same as comparing testosterone to methyltestosterone as MENT’s methylation was to prevent 5 alpha reduction and significantly enhance binding affinity. MENT is significantly more potent than nandrolone and we don’t really know if they’re similar in their effects 100%, like for the joint lubrication and shit. They can be similar in some aspects but it's not "just" methylated nandrolone and if you think of it like that, and dose it like that, you will fuck yourself up

 

[Wexilarious]

why you not post ts on some gym forum or something similar

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

why you not post ts on some gym forum or something similar

because many looksmaxxers are taking tren, regardless if they're on the gym forum, looksmaxxing forum, etc. But thanks for telling me because I will actually post it there

 

[Wexilarious]

because many looksmaxxers are taking tren, regardless if they're on the gym forum, looksmaxxing forum, etc. But thanks for telling me because I will actually post it there

i mean going to gym is looksmin, but yea there plenty of men that go here

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Take back what I said about MENT, don't fucking run it. Way too much conflicting studies and it's too unpredictable to control

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

What I mean by unpredictable is too unpredictable for PUBERTY definitely should be ran after you're done growing

 

[ascendtocl122]

What I mean by unpredictable is too unpredictable for PUBERTY definitely should be ran after you're done growing

good thread nigger going to do MENT now at 16

 

[India lover 52]

MENT is trash just run tren

good thread nigger going to do MENT now at 16

even op took back what he said 1 comment above

 

[AtrophicPyra]

MENT has an anabolic androgenic ratio of 2300:650, Tren has an anabolic androgenic ratio of 500:500. Tren is neurotoxic DIRECTLY. No evidence of neurotoxicity from MENT. Tren is a “dry” compound. I put this in “” because this is ONE OF THE MOST misunderstood things about Tren. Although it’s true that Tren does not aromatize, it attaches extremely strong to the Progesterone Receptor. MENT attaches as strong as regular progesterone, but Tren attaches even stronger. This can be seen in guys who inject Tren with test (basically every person who takes tren) where they eventually develop gyno. “But Tren is a dry compound, blah blah blah”. That doesn’t matter. The test can still convert to E2 which results in extreme estrogenic side effects, and WATER RETENTION does not need to happen for estrogen and progesterone to be out of the roof, seen by many developing gyno on tren and test. SO, MENT logically speaking is better, but why does water retention happen then? The reason why can be guessed to be because of something found in the 19-nor family where they can react to the MR (Mineralocorticoid Receptor) AND the PR. The most logical explanation is that MENT reacts with the MR which causes water retention. In addition with shitty dosing, no AI, no SERM, and NO IQ, it’s a recipe for bloat. Assuming someone wanted to take 200mg/tren a week; 50mg of MENT/week (enanthate) would be the same with SIGNIFICANTLY less side effects. ONCE AGAIN, a SERM such as tamoxifen MUST be taken (safe during puberty because it extends growth plate closure time), an AI while taking the test also (maintain E2 at 10-15pg/mL and with MENT aromatizing at 10-20% rate of testosterone + such low dosage, it will be fine). MENT’s estrogenic form, 7 alpha methyl estrogen, has shown to be weaker and have a lower affinity than normal E2, highlighting how the “estrogenic” effects come from the progestin and steroid users mistaking water retention as an estrogen related issue (although that can enhance it). Additionally, hydrate extremely well (1 gallon of water a day), eat 4+ g potassium a day and 2+ g sodium a day, and add in a dry compound like Mast E and bloat is extremely low if not nonexistent. HGH and Teriparatide can be added during growth period but if not able to source Teriparatide, HGH should be enough. Additionally, BPC-157 and TB-500 logically significantly enhance the lifespan of the chondrocytes, allowing for them to cope with how much they’re being pushed. Thanks for listening to my rant (if you did), don’t comment if you DNR, and all of this is theoretical and not solid advice.

Sources:
Aromatization Rate of MENT:

LaMorte A, Kumar N, Bardin CW, Sundaram K. Aromatization of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone by human placental microsomes in vitro. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994 Feb;48(2-3):297-304. doi: 10.1016/0960-0760(94)90160-0. PMID: 8142308.

Potency of the 7 alpha methyl estrogen and MENT at the AR and PR:

García-Becerra R, Ordaz-Rosado D, Noé G, Chávez B, Cooney AJ, Larrea F. Comparison of 7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone effectiveness alone or combined with progestins on androgen receptor mediated-transactivation. Reproduction. 2012 Feb;143(2):211-9. doi: 10.1530/REP-11-0171. Epub 2011 Nov 7. PMID: 22065861.

Tamoxifen and increased Final Predicted Height:

Nerissa C. Kreher, Erica A. Eugster, R. Ravi Shankar; The Use of Tamoxifen to Improve Height Potential in Short Pubertal Boys. Pediatrics December 2005; 116 (6): 1513–1515. 10.1542/peds.2005-0577

2nd source for Tamoxifen:

Caroline de G. Buff Passone, Hilton Kuperman, Hamilton Cabral de Menezes-Filho, Lygia Spassapan Oliveira Esteves, Rachel Lana Obata Giroto, Durval Damiani; Tamoxifen Improves Final Height Prediction in Girls with McCune-Albright Syndrome: A Long Follow-Up. Horm Res Paediatr 1 September 2015; 84 (3): 184–189

wouldnt teriparatide give u kidney stones? i would be careful with that unless u have a way to transport most of the calcium in the blood to the bone instead of organs like the kidneys? also i wouldnt even take testosterone honestly ment is so much better.