Ronald Ead before after

[Ekeoma_The_BBC]

the left is him before anything (aaga mse etc) right is after aaga and mse, holy shit such a good difference, also keep in mind he was a premoral extractioncel too

I'm mirin his mouth width change SO HARD

 

[Golden Glass]

Yes his mouth width increase (he got to the ideal measurement of lining up with pupils) is proof enough that you don’t necessarily need to use one of those mouth expanders or get mouth widening surgery, as MSE can achieve mouth widening, unless you need a really drastic increase in mouth width.

Keep in mind his nasal base also expanded, so he’d need a rhino in order for you to really appreciate just how much better his mouth width is. Would be interesting if someone did a morph of him with a narrower nose.

 

[strong_silent_type]

guess who said agga is a meme and is now going for surgery

yes that guy

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

Yes but know he have fucked up teeths

I would wear mse if this device doesnt destroy your teeth

 

[Golden Glass]

Yes but know he have fucked up teeths

I would wear mse if this device doesnt destroy your teeth

AGGA fucked up his teeth as far as I’m aware, not MSE. And you don’t “wear” MSE you get it installed.

guess who said agga is a meme and is now going for surgery

yes that guy

Yes I’m aware of that:

Goddamn the fact people still try to use Ronald Ead as a positive example of AGGA boggles me.

He said he regrets doing AGGA, because it failed in doing what it claimed to, and wishes he’d done MSE from the get go.


Here’s his blog article, if you don’t even want to read it, I’ll embed the Title:
AGGA is NOT the Holy Grail of Adult Orthodontics


And here’s the excerpt regarding MSE, where he plainly says MSE is far more capable, and more efficient than AGGA:


“Surgery can widen the maxilla. In this case I am referring to MSE (maxillary skeletal expander) which is generally part of the surgery treatment plan for providers like my own orthodontist Dr. Zubad Newaz and also for West Coast providers like Dr. Audrey Yoon and her accompanying oral surgeon Dr. Stanley Liu.

Basically the orthodontist expands you laterally with MSE, then puts you through braces to align the teeth and establish proper occlusion.

Following completion of orthodontics, surgery is performed to bring both jaws forward, and to rotate them into their proper angulation.

To my mind, this is the treatment protocol that leaves the fewest stones unturned and results in the most complete establishment of genetically optimal facial structure.”

-Ronald Ead, supposed AGGA success story, praising MSE as the best Adult Orthodontic Treatment

Anyone who ever comments about AGGA again on this forum should just be spammed with this reply because it’s exhausting for people to cite Ronald Ead as a positive AGGA case when he has publicly said otherwise.

 

[needsolution]

Do anyone know by any change how much his face widened (in mm) and if his eyes moved aparat (if yes then how much)

 

[SayNoToRotting]

guess who said agga is a meme and is now going for surgery

yes that guy

lol no.

 

[strong_silent_type]

lol no.

read the reply from golden glass

 

[Golden Glass]

Do anyone know by any change how much his face widened (in mm) and if his eyes moved aparat (if yes then how much)

If you ever get any sort of IPD increase from MSE as an adult, it would be MINIMAL, maybe a mm. I have yet to see a case where this has been achieved in adults.

 

[needsolution]

If you ever get any sort of IPD increase from MSE as an adult, it would be MINIMAL, maybe a mm. I have yet to see a case where this has been achieved in adults.

And his

If you ever get any sort of IPD increase from MSE as an adult, it would be MINIMAL, maybe a mm. I have yet to see a case where this has been achieved in adults.

What about general facial width? Is it in 4-5mm range?

 

[Golden Glass]

And his
What about general facial width? Is it in 4-5mm range?

What do you mean general facial width? Your chin and lower jaw won’t widen from MSE, your maxilla, nasal bridge, zygos, and maybe browbone will widen, and the closer the area in question is to the split suture being expanded by MSE, the more it will widen.

So in order of most increase of width to least would be:
•Maxilla
•Midface + Nasal Base/ Nasal Airway
•Zygomatic Complex
•Orbital Sockets (haven’t ever seen enough change to result in increase in IPD)
•Brow

I’ve only seen CT scans that color in areas that produced change afterwards, so there hasn’t been any sort of mm measurements done. It would be difficult to do so for the midface And zygos anyways, because things like water retention and body fat would have an effect on outside measurements...you’d have to have DRASTIC change in these areas, and as an adult that’s unlikely. The change in those areas as an Adult is likely so small (maybe 2 mm per side MAX) that you’d probably need to somehow use calipers to measure the width of your actual skull’s midface and zygos to know with certainty something like water retention isn’t playing a role.

 

[needsolution]

What do you mean general facial width? Your chin and lower jaw won’t widen from MSE, your maxilla, nasal bridge, zygos, and maybe browbone will widen, and the closer the area in question is to the split suture being expanded by MSE, the more it will widen.

So in order of most increase of width to least would be:
•Maxilla
•Midface + Nasal Base/ Nasal Airway
•Zygomatic Complex
•Orbital Sockets (haven’t ever seen enough change to result in increase in IPD)
•Brow

I’ve only seen CT scans that color in areas that produced change afterwards, so there hasn’t been any sort of mm measurements done. It would be difficult to do so for the midface And zygos anyways, because things like water retention and body fat would have an effect on outside measurements...you’d have to have DRASTIC change in these areas, and as an adult that’s unlikely. The change in those areas as an Adult is likely so small (maybe 2 mm per side MAX) that you’d probably need to somehow use calipers to measure the width of your actual skull’s midface and zygos to know with certainty something like water retention isn’t playing a role.

Any other procedures to increase facial width?

 

[Stare]

Can't wait till I graduate to afford this
It's the most legit way to reverse all the damage done by mouth breathing

 

[Deleted member 3990]

What do you mean general facial width? Your chin and lower jaw won’t widen from MSE, your maxilla, nasal bridge, zygos, and maybe browbone will widen, and the closer the area in question is to the split suture being expanded by MSE, the more it will widen.

So in order of most increase of width to least would be:
•Maxilla
•Midface + Nasal Base/ Nasal Airway
•Zygomatic Complex
•Orbital Sockets (haven’t ever seen enough change to result in increase in IPD)
•Brow

I’ve only seen CT scans that color in areas that produced change afterwards, so there hasn’t been any sort of mm measurements done. It would be difficult to do so for the midface And zygos anyways, because things like water retention and body fat would have an effect on outside measurements...you’d have to have DRASTIC change in these areas, and as an adult that’s unlikely. The change in those areas as an Adult is likely so small (maybe 2 mm per side MAX) that you’d probably need to somehow use calipers to measure the width of your actual skull’s midface and zygos to know with certainty something like water retention isn’t playing a role.

does the suture get surgically weakened before MSE?

 

[Golden Glass]

Any other procedures to increase facial width?

Again what do you mean by facial width?

does the suture get surgically weakened before MSE?

Originally, no. But as orthodontists have been fine tuning MSE over the years, many practitioners now cortical punctures into the upper palate during installation, which weakens the suture and increases the odds of adult expansion. This is done because there is a small percentage of adults who couldn’t expand even with MSE.

If you’re getting MSE, save yourself any future trouble and get the punctures done during installation.

 

[needsolution]

Again what do you mean by facial width?

These, mostly around eyes. Some implants, surgery or just LeRope?

 

[Golden Glass]

These, mostly around eyes. Some implants, surgery or just LeRope?

“These”? Did you mean to attach a picture?

 

[needsolution]

“These”? Did you mean to attach a picture?

Sorry im dumb

I mean amounts like 2-3mm, besides MSE

 

[Golden Glass]

Sorry im dumb
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I mean amounts like 2-3mm, besides MSE

Are you including jaw angles as well?

 

[needsolution]

Are you including jaw angles as well?

Yes but mostly i mean if its possible to widen like 1-2mm on each side besides eyes. Its like my head on the top (forehead) is wider than rest skull and i want to get rid of this.

 

[Golden Glass]

Yes but mostly i mean if its possible to widen like 1-2mm on each side besides eyes. Its like my head on the top (forehead) is wider than rest skull and i want to get rid of this.

•Zygomatic sandwich osteotomy can widen the zygo’s. And you can have it done multiple times.

•Implants and/or fillers can widen the zygos as well.

•MSE would be the best method for the midface.

•An invasive form of chinwing can widen the mandible, even as far back as jaw angles, but I’d be careful with that, seems like there are a lot of nerves that could get damaged if you tried a chin wing that extreme.

•For Jaw imo, the best option is custom wraparound implants

 

[reptiles]

Sorry im dumb
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I mean amounts like 2-3mm, besides MSE

Quick question old brother from .co how can you roughly measure the increase in mm width

 

[damnit]

if it's the same camera and the same distance, those changes are drastic, jaw asymmetry improved and it got sharper and more angular.

 

[needsolution]

Quick question old brother from .co how can you roughly measure the increase in mm width

From picture.

 

[weallburninhell]

Do anyone know by any change how much his face widened (in mm) and if his eyes moved aparat (if yes then how much)

hes fwhr increase

 

[CopeAndRope]

the closer the area in question is to the split suture being expanded by MSE, the more it will widen.

One of the few that really gets it.

 

[DownUnderCopeAttack]

Do anyone know by any change how much his face widened (in mm) and if his eyes moved aparat (if yes then how much)

He said his inter molar width grew 10mm in a video I think.
I have my mind made up to get MSE, the only thing putting me off is the pain people report to experience and the cost.
The key thing I will ask if I am an ideal candidate is if I can get non NSAID pain killers, even better if I can be attended to. I’m willing to pay extra.