Safest first cycle ? (20)

[gymcelled]

Introduction:
I'm 20, 190cm (6'3), currently 79kg and around 15% bodyfat.
I don't drink, I don't smoke - I have a healthy lifestyle.
From my testosterone results, I'm around 588 ng/dL.
Currently doing fbeod, while bulking at around 3000 kcal and approx 150-200g protein daily.
I only use creatine and drink around 3L of water every day + probably a baseline of 200mg caffeine daily (pepsi zero addict)

Body composition:
I have pretty shitty fat storing genetics, so even at 10-12% BF I look like I'm at 20% - especially I store a lot in the face and in my mid section

These are my body scans done a few months apart (ofc could be a bit inaccurate, but both represent pretty similar bodyfat spread)

My goals:
I want to put on more muscle and more lean muscle (ideal in a year or two would probably be 85-90kg lean)
I don't want to permanently kill my test that I'll have to be on trt for the rest of my life. At that point looking better for a few years just to be fucked the rest of my life is not worth it.


Are there any peptides after which I can fully recover my natural test while reaping their benefits?

 

[gymcelled]

bump

 

[gymcelled]

bumpo

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

(ideal in a year or two would probably be 85-90kg lean)

Just train bro, you can gain 5kgs of lean body mass in 2 years naturally.

 

[gymcelled]

Just train bro, you can gain 5kgs of lean body mass in 2 years naturally.

I'm nowhere near lean rn. so it's more like 10-15kg lean bodymass while losing fat

 

[gymcelled]

bump

 

[Copercel]

Introduction:
I'm 20, 190cm (6'3), currently 79kg and around 15% bodyfat.
I don't drink, I don't smoke - I have a healthy lifestyle.
From my testosterone results, I'm around 588 ng/dL.
Currently doing fbeod, while bulking at around 3000 kcal and approx 150-200g protein daily.
I only use creatine and drink around 3L of water every day + probably a baseline of 200mg caffeine daily (pepsi zero addict)

Body composition:
I have pretty shitty fat storing genetics, so even at 10-12% BF I look like I'm at 20% - especially I store a lot in the face and in my mid section

These are my body scans done a few months apart (ofc could be a bit inaccurate, but both represent pretty similar bodyfat spread)

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My goals:
I want to put on more muscle and more lean muscle (ideal in a year or two would probably be 85-90kg lean)
I don't want to permanently kill my test that I'll have to be on trt for the rest of my life. At that point looking better for a few years just to be fucked the rest of my life is not worth it.


Are there any peptides after which I can fully recover my natural test while reaping their benefits?

HGH, testosterone E and anavar.

 

[Iblameyasmani]

Start with 250 Test E then bump to 500 and if your fine stay on 500.
HGH is really good at burning fat so anywhere from 3-7 IUS a day can help tremendously build muscle too.
Anavar and or Reta to lean out.

 

[gymcelled]

Start with 250 Test E then bump to 500 and if your fine stay on 500.
HGH is really good at burning fat so anywhere from 3-7 IUS a day can help tremendously build muscle too.
Anavar and or Reta to lean out.

In the post I say I don't want my natural test production be destroyed permanently and condition me to trt for the rest of my life.

Does this cycle not fk my test up?

 

[testNtren]

Run HCG while on cycle and then clomid/nolvadex when you come off. A cycle or two is very very unlikely to fuck your test levels irreversibly though, what causes that is years of blast and cruising.

I have pretty shitty fat storing genetics, so even at 10-12% BF I look like I'm at 20% - especially I store a lot in the face and in my mid section

I am almost certain you are not 10% if you have noticable stomach or face fat, could be bloat and/or lack of bones I suppose.

 

[Deleted member 138051]

In the post I say I don't want my natural test production be destroyed permanently and condition me to trt for the rest of my life.

Does this cycle not fk my test up?

No. If you blast grams of test you MAY have a higher chance of your LH (test) production getting destroyed, otherwise you’re fine.

 

[Spieldren]

Run HCG while on cycle and then clomid/nolvadex when you come off. A cycle or two is very very unlikely to fuck your test levels irreversibly though, what causes that is years of blast and cruising.

I am almost certain you are not 10% if you have noticable stomach or face fat, could be bloat and/or lack of bones I suppose.

I plan doing 150-300mg (still deciding) for a full 365 days. You think hcg or (and) hmg during the whole thing + serm as pct give me my natural production bad? Or should I make it few smaller cycles

 

[dgn.b]

I plan doing 150-300mg (still deciding) for a full 365 days. You think hcg or (and) hmg during the whole thing + serm as pct give me my natural production bad? Or should I make it few smaller cycles

Do at least 300 but 500 is better(start with 300 to get up to 500 if ur going to)
I think dont make it too complicated for first cycle so a small cycle first to try out and see how u feel is better.

Use an AI and do a good pct
U will be fine
Also add an oral for the fun of it cause why not(Tbol or anavar)

Also u should get bloods before,during and after cycle

 

[WhyNotMe_]

588 ng/dl is low you don't have healthy lifestyle if your test is 588 ng/dl my bro. I eat raw meat raw milk raw eggs i smoke almost everyday and i don't go to the gym and just hangout with my friends or date multiple foids and my test is 900 ng/dl+ at 17

 

[chadmanlet04]

safest:

Test E 250
MK667
Clomid

why: per pound, cheapest beginner bulking stack, has some hidden costs like needles, bactostatic water etc but a 10 week cycle of 500mg weekly wont stress cardiovascular, liver or any organ. you will have to deal with a shut down hpta but assuming you are healthy from the get go with a 4 week clomid regimen you should be able to return to baseline effortlessly. solid gains, proper endocrine health due to bulk test aromatizing into dht and estrogen.

easiest: (fully oral)

rad 140
mk557
clomid

per pound, more expensive initially, but matches value with the cycle above due to no hidden costs like needles, plus being fully oral makes it very easy (no risk of rookie needle ethic injuries) on top of being more "acceptable" (if you live in a dorm, with parents etc pills are easier to lie about than injections) rad 140 doesnt aromatize, so no hair loss, no gyno, no water gains (gives you a dry, leaner look). but no aromatization also means body will eventually run out of dht and estrogen, expect mood changes, libido loss etc during later weeks. same clomid regimen (4 weeks after 8 weeks of rad 140) to restore levels. rad 140 is one of the more supressive sarms but unlike Test E it wont cause total shutdown, expect to have lingering T levels of 80-120ng/dl as opposed to a flat out 0.

rest arent beginner friendly, too many different medication, hard to keep consistency. try to keep your cycles small for easier tracking and timing. i intentionally glossed over QoL stuff like AIs, proviron, hcg etc as to for a young guy one gentle cycle wont do everlasting endocrine damage