Salludon xray and implications for jaw implants

[kingofkings]

Salludon posted xrays yesterday to prove his bone structure is natural. What's interesting is his jaw bone structure is rectangular and robust but doesn't seem to have the flared gonions you see so much on jaw implants. What do you think?

Scan:

Clav's upcoming jaw implant designed by Giant:

Notice how clav's mandible shape before implants already looks like salludon's mandible shape

Salludon for reference:

 

[tweaqo]

I think Salludon doesn’t actually have that exaggerated outward gonions. He seems to be clenching in that pic, so his masseters are flaring.

I believe some types of implants that don’t require screw fixation wouldn’t show up on the X-Ray that he got, he might need Cone Beam CT or full CT scan to show it.

Also I don’t think fillers show on these X-Rays.

I’m not saying salludon did or did not get any surgery/fillers. I actually just don’t know.

 

[alban]

I think Salludon doesn’t actually have that exaggerated outward gonions. He seems to be clenching in that pic, so his masseters are flaring.

I believe some types of implants that don’t require screw fixation wouldn’t show up on the X-Ray that he got, he might need Cone Beam CT or full CT scan to show it.

Also I don’t think fillers show on these X-Rays.

I’m not saying salludon did or did not get any surgery/fillers. I actually just don’t know.

stop the cope

 

[kingofkings]

I think Salludon doesn’t actually have that exaggerated outward gonions. He seems to be clenching in that pic, so his masseters are flaring.

I believe some types of implants that don’t require screw fixation wouldn’t show up on the X-Ray that he got, he might need Cone Beam CT or full CT scan to show it.

Also I don’t think fillers show on these X-Rays.

I’m not saying salludon did or did not get any surgery/fillers. I actually just don’t know.

Personally I've never bought the theory he got any kind of surgery or fillers. For a few reasons.

The amount of mass he gained in his zygos is unreal, you just can't do that much of a change with filler or implants without it looking fake and uncanny. And it's not frauded with angles or lighting either, it's the same in motion.

And he had changes everywhere on his face. Like even his browridge is very significantly more developed and projected and I don't think anyone suggests he got supra implants from giant.

So it's possible he got got some kind of jaw implants/fillers at the same time the rest of his face naturally improved... but then if his brow and zygos improved so much without surgeries, it means his jaw could have as well.

 

[tweaqo]

stop the cope

You have 2 posts. How am I coping? I literally said I don’t know if he got surgery or not…

Personally I've never bought the theory he got any kind of surgery or fillers. For a few reasons.

The amount of mass he gained in his zygos is unreal, you just can't do that much of a change with filler or implants without it looking fake and uncanny. And it's not frauded with angles or lighting either, it's the same in motion.

And he had changes everywhere on his face. Like even his browridge is very significantly more developed and projected and I don't think anyone suggests he got supra implants from giant.

So it's possible he got got some kind of jaw implants/fillers at the same time the rest of his face naturally improved... but then if his brow and zygos improved so much without surgeries, it means his jaw could have as well.

idk man, if he did a full face CT and MRI I would believe 100% he didn’t get surgery, but he probably won’t.

 

[smallgromp123]

Personally I've never bought the theory he got any kind of surgery or fillers. For a few reasons.

The amount of mass he gained in his zygos is unreal, you just can't do that much of a change with filler or implants without it looking fake and uncanny. And it's not frauded with angles or lighting either, it's the same in motion.

And he had changes everywhere on his face. Like even his browridge is very significantly more developed and projected and I don't think anyone suggests he got supra implants from giant.

So it's possible he got got some kind of jaw implants/fillers at the same time the rest of his face naturally improved... but then if his brow and zygos improved so much without surgeries, it means his jaw could have as well.

Yeah, but that result is too much even for good natural growth...

This is what I suspect he had done

Upper/Middle third:

U shaped osteotomy for paranasal deficiency

ZSO (but with some kind of higher cut variation)

Fat graft under eyes

Fat graft on the brow ridge

Lower third:

Chin wing

Jawline contouring

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Natural growth + all this would probably give him that result, but surgery or growth alone? idk.

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As for his X-ray, if he had screws and hardware removed after the cuts and osteotomy sites healed, then it's impossible to notice if he had anything done.

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If it's natural, then he rly has some good method he gatekeeping, cuz it couldn't have been hard mewing and chin tucks (unless he was 12 in the before picture, or that's a completely different person in his "before" pics)

Idk, if he ain't lying, good on him, not trynna hate on the dude, just expressing my opinion.

 

[kingofkings]

Upper/Middle third:

ZSO (but with some kind of higher cut variation)

Lower third:

Chin wing


As for his X-ray, if he had screws and hardware removed after the cuts and osteotomy sites healed, then it's impossible to notice if he had anything done.

A chin wing moves the whole mandible border forwards and leaves a very visible step off, even with grafting. I've had a chin wing myself and spoken with people who've had the hardware removed and even seen ct scans after the hardware removal (member here - steph4g). It's just obvious from a scan when someone has had it done.

As for a ZSO, I'm not qualified to judge it from a scan. All I can tell you is, I've never seen a ZSO give a result remotely like his. I've only ever seen shit results in men.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure he'll get an even better scan done like an MRI at some point which will lay it to rest for good

 

[fk732]

Yeah, but that result is too much even for good natural growth...

This is what I suspect he had done

Upper/Middle third:

U shaped osteotomy for paranasal deficiency

ZSO (but with some kind of higher cut variation)

Fat graft under eyes

Fat graft on the brow ridge

Lower third:

Chin wing

Jawline contouring

--

Natural growth + all this would probably give him that result, but surgery or growth alone? idk.

--

As for his X-ray, if he had screws and hardware removed after the cuts and osteotomy sites healed, then it's impossible to notice if he had anything done.

--

If it's natural, then he rly has some good method he gatekeeping, cuz it couldn't have been hard mewing and chin tucks (unless he was 12 in the before picture, or that's a completely different person in his "before" pics)

Idk, if he ain't lying, good on him, not trynna hate on the dude, just expressing my opinion.

I believe him the guy has been locked in for 10 years and he posted advice on tiktok that sees legit, anyone who apply his advice for 5-10 years would ascend, not to his lvl because he have an extremely good base but still ascend like from mtn to high htn.

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah, but that result is too much even for good natural growth...

This is what I suspect he had done

Upper/Middle third:

U shaped osteotomy for paranasal deficiency

ZSO (but with some kind of higher cut variation)

Fat graft under eyes

Fat graft on the brow ridge

Lower third:

Chin wing

Jawline contouring

--

Natural growth + all this would probably give him that result, but surgery or growth alone? idk.

--

As for his X-ray, if he had screws and hardware removed after the cuts and osteotomy sites healed, then it's impossible to notice if he had anything done.

--

If it's natural, then he rly has some good method he gatekeeping, cuz it couldn't have been hard mewing and chin tucks (unless he was 12 in the before picture, or that's a completely different person in his "before" pics)

Idk, if he ain't lying, good on him, not trynna hate on the dude, just expressing my opinion.

He never had surgeey, it would be visible here 100%. And considering how jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle he didnt have that. But its litteraly videos of him doing fillers so thats for sure something he did. But more invasive, nah

 

[smallgromp123]

What sucks is that me and him have very similar base. Would be a game changer if he shared some method which actually works

 

[cendawan]

What sucks is that me and him have very similar base. Would be a game changer if he shared some method which actually works

I am 99% sure your base is nowhere close to his

 

[ScienceCel]

his base was dogshit ltn lol

I am 99% sure your base is nowhere close to his

 

[cendawan]

his base was dogshit ltn lol

What? He had perfect ratios, very good averageness, perfect esr, midface, ctp, etc

I swear this website has the lowest iq ppl

 

[joseph]

Yeah, but that result is too much even for good natural growth...

This is what I suspect he had done

Upper/Middle third:

U shaped osteotomy for paranasal deficiency

ZSO (but with some kind of higher cut variation)

Fat graft under eyes

Fat graft on the brow ridge

Lower third:

Chin wing

Jawline contouring

--

Natural growth + all this would probably give him that result, but surgery or growth alone? idk.

--

As for his X-ray, if he had screws and hardware removed after the cuts and osteotomy sites healed, then it's impossible to notice if he had anything done.

--

If it's natural, then he rly has some good method he gatekeeping, cuz it couldn't have been hard mewing and chin tucks (unless he was 12 in the before picture, or that's a completely different person in his "before" pics)

Idk, if he ain't lying, good on him, not trynna hate on the dude, just expressing my opinion.

There’s literally no way to get that kind of change without surgery or fillers

His entire face changed

 

[greycel]

The amount of mass he gained in his zygos is unreal, you just can't do that much of a change with filler or implants without it looking fake and uncanny. And it's not frauded with angles or lighting either, it's the same in motion.

Which is more likely? He got it "naturally" (without surgery, through other means): the only person to have gotten that much bonemass naturally, 2nd place being a very low inhib individual + running a crazy stack that'll put him in the ground in 10 years.. only achieved perhaps 50% of bone growth in comparison (arbitrary number, but is trailing far behind)?

Not to mention, if somebody was to be top 10 in bone growth (let alone 1st place), they'd have to be very knowledgeable with exogenous hormones/whatever method enabled this.
Not to mention, if somebody was to be top 10 in bone growth, they'd have to genetically be a hyperesponder, so Salludon would also have had extreme luck.
Not to mention, the growth just so happened to fit within the bounds of ideality MULTIPLE TIMES, for his zygos shape + projection relative to his jaw (and vice versa) + etc... where he looks harmonious (limited error).
Compare this to Loox for example. He has had bonemass growth, that is inferior to Salludon's and it was not controllable

The second option being he had surgery, but the surgeon was good enough to make it natural.
Where it can be controlled, and in terms of probability is likely magnitudes higher/ likely for it to be an aesthetic improvement.. rather than leave it up to nature's chance

By the way, this is an example of filler results from a user here:

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

What I dont understand in jaw implants is the outward projection at the end of tip. Jaws in natural form dont have such outward projection at gonion, why do all implants I see have that gonion flare?

 

[wordengage]

I think the mandibular angle implants are likely too big, and will lead to implant reveal. I had this issue with pretty small implants, and had them removed a few months ago.

While Eppley suggests that the rate of masseter dehiscence with horizontal widening is like 5-8%. Clav's surgical plan clearly juts out in a sharp and fairly unnatural manner.

The outcome is going to be unnatural looking in motion, and if he goes through with this will likely require revision.

The Bimax + Genio is already going to give him a jawline, I don't think he needs mandibular angle implants as well.

If you want to achieve the Salludon hollow cheek look, you just need widening zygomatic arch implants - Clav already clearly seems to have that in the Giant design. So he will get hollow cheekbones, like Salludon.

Avoiding Jaw Angle Implant Reveal in Custom Jawline Implant Designs - Explore Plastic Surgery

In designing custom jawline implants the temprtation to square out the jaw angle design should be avoided to prevent aesthetic implant reveal.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

 

[LEFORT17]

I think the mandibular angle implants are likely too big, and will lead to implant reveal. I had this issue with pretty small implants, and had them removed a few months ago.

While Eppley suggests that the rate of masseter dehiscence with horizontal widening is like 5-8%. Clav's surgical plan clearly juts out in a sharp and fairly unnatural manner.

The outcome is going to be unnatural looking in motion, and if he goes through with this will likely require revision.

The Bimax + Genio is already going to give him a jawline, I don't think he needs mandibular angle implants as well.

If you want to achieve the Salludon hollow cheek look, you just need widening zygomatic arch implants - Clav already clearly seems to have that in the Giant design. So he will get hollow cheekbones, like Salludon.

Avoiding Jaw Angle Implant Reveal in Custom Jawline Implant Designs - Explore Plastic Surgery

In designing custom jawline implants the temprtation to square out the jaw angle design should be avoided to prevent aesthetic implant reveal.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

u got new implants?

 

[kingofkings]

By the way, this is an example of filler results from a user here:
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Yeah I've seen this guy's many topics, he's starting to look uncanny. And I guarantee you in motion and bright sunlight those filler results look fake af. Salludon has posted numerous vids in bright harsh lighting conditions and he never looks fake in the slightest.

Which is more likely? He got it "naturally" (without surgery, through other means): the only person to have gotten that much bonemass naturally, 2nd place being a very low inhib individual + running a crazy stack that'll put him in the ground in 10 years.. only achieved perhaps 50% of bone growth in comparison (arbitrary number, but is trailing far behind)?

Not to mention, if somebody was to be top 10 in bone growth (let alone 1st place), they'd have to be very knowledgeable with exogenous hormones/whatever method enabled this.
Not to mention, if somebody was to be top 10 in bone growth, they'd have to genetically be a hyperesponder, so Salludon would also have had extreme luck.
Not to mention, the growth just so happened to fit within the bounds of ideality MULTIPLE TIMES, for his zygos shape + projection relative to his jaw (and vice versa) + etc... where he looks harmonious (limited error).
Compare this to Loox for example. He has had bonemass growth, that is inferior to Salludon's and it was not controllable

The second option being he had surgery, but the surgeon was good enough to make it natural.
Where it can be controlled, and in terms of probability is likely magnitudes higher/ likely for it to be an aesthetic improvement.. rather than leave it up to nature's chance

I think it's possible he got a small amount of fillers done and a rhinoplasty. Beyond that I'm skeptical. It's not possible to do a ton of cheek filler for 5 years without it starting to look a bit obvious and he had to have done a ton to get so much mass.

My argument is the same, if you accept some of his face changes occurred naturally then it's equally possible the whole face change was natural. I assume you're not arguing his deeper brow ridge was filler or surgery for example, so you're already accepting some of his change happened naturally.

 

[kingofkings]

If you want to achieve the Salludon hollow cheek look, you just need widening zygomatic arch implants - Clav already clearly seems to have that in the Giant design. So he will get hollow cheekbones, like Salludon.

^ Giant result that got posted in another topic yesterday (apparently sourced from public info).

I'll let you draw your own conclusion about the hollow cheek look achieved.

 

[CD34]

Salludon posted xrays yesterday to prove his bone structure is natural. What's interesting is his jaw bone structure is rectangular and robust but doesn't seem to have the flared gonions you see so much on jaw implants. What do you think?

Scan:

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Clav's upcoming jaw implant designed by Giant:

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Notice how clav's mandible shape before implants already looks like salludon's mandible shape

Salludon for reference:

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Fillers and fat grafys arent visible from xray tho

 

[wordengage]

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^ Giant result that got posted in another topic yesterday (apparently sourced from public info).

I'll let you draw your own conclusion about the hollow cheek look achieved.

This is just because they are too big.

u got new implants?

No, all removed. Much better. Widening jaw angles didn't have a massively positive impact on my appearance.

 

[greycel]

if you accept some of his face changes occurred naturally then it's equally possible the whole face change was natura

This is a huge huge stretch. Just reread this for a second
You disprove it yourself, by assuming he only got some:

I think it's possible he got a small amount of fillers done and a rhinoplasty.

Implying the other changes were natural. But if his changes were partly natural, he wouldn't have had surgery according to you
It's not all or nothing. You don't either do surgery to every part of your face or none. You know this

I assume you're not arguing his deeper brow ridge was filler or surgery for example

Why would this not be the case?


Trust me dude. Look at the jump he made. Not only did he make the largest jump 4.5 to 7.5PSL, he also is the most attractive by a longshot.
With the next closest being sub 6.5PSL

So either lots of things had to be correct. Some which were out of his control entirely (hyper-responder). Others require him to be the best in the world at, access to a wide amount of knowledge that nobody else has (doesn't even have a degree), incredibly low inhib to test the knowledge, etc.
Or only 1 thing (right surgeon)

Intuitively you should see this.

 

[greycel]

This is just because they are too big.


No, all removed. Much better. Widening jaw angles didn't have a massively positive impact on my appearance.

What surgeries have you had?
Did removing them make your jawline worse than what you initially had? Due to sagging

 

[kingofkings]

This is a huge huge stretch. Just reread this for a second
You disprove it yourself, by assuming he only got some:

Implying the other changes were natural. But if his changes were partly natural, he wouldn't have had surgery according to you
It's not all or nothing. You don't either do surgery to every part of your face or none. You know this

Why would this not be the case?


Trust me dude. Look at the jump he made. Not only did he make the largest jump 4.5 to 7.5PSL, he also is the most attractive by a longshot.
With the next closest being sub 6.5PSL

So either lots of things had to be correct. Some which were out of his control entirely (hyper-responder). Others require him to be the best in the world at, access to a wide amount of knowledge that nobody else has (doesn't even have a degree), incredibly low inhib to test the knowledge, etc.
Or only 1 thing (right surgeon)

Intuitively you should see this.

No, I'm not saying it's all or nothing. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

I'm saying the argument that "his jaw or cheekbones changed too much it has to be surgery/unnatural" doesn't hold water. Because at the same time others parts of his face did change a lot dramatically (brow ridge) naturally.

Yeah, it's possible his change is a combination of natural changes and surgery/magicmethod. Me personally I think most of his change happened naturally. I don't look at his cheekbones and think that has to be surgery or a ton of filler, because his whole eye area and brow also significantly changed as well which makes it believable to me his cheekbones also significantly changed in the same way.

 

[wordengage]

What surgeries have you had?
Did removing them make your jawline worse than what you initially had? Due to sagging

bimax + genio + jaw angle implants + zygos.
I have no sagging, to quote Eppley: unlike facial implants in other facial areas where soft tissue sagging may be a potential post removal issue, this has a very low likelihood to occur in the jaw angle area. This is because it is the only facial implanted area that is placed under such thick muscle and the attachments to the skin lie above the muscle and not below it.

 

[billyxxx]

bimax + genio + jaw angle implants + zygos.
I have no sagging, to quote Eppley: unlike facial implants in other facial areas where soft tissue sagging may be a potential post removal issue, this has a very low likelihood to occur in the jaw angle area. This is because it is the only facial implanted area that is placed under such thick muscle and the attachments to the skin lie above the muscle and not below it.

Who did you get the zygo implants from and what thickness? Are you satisfied with the results? Is it just malar, or infra malar?

 

[noseslayer]

bimax + genio + jaw angle implants + zygos.
I have no sagging, to quote Eppley: unlike facial implants in other facial areas where soft tissue sagging may be a potential post removal issue, this has a very low likelihood to occur in the jaw angle area. This is because it is the only facial implanted area that is placed under such thick muscle and the attachments to the skin lie above the muscle and not below it.

How did zygos implant aid you will it help narrow face

 

[BM7]

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^ Giant result that got posted in another topic yesterday (apparently sourced from public info).

I'll let you draw your own conclusion about the hollow cheek look achieved.

Where is this another topic?