Scientific proof of gymnaxxing being important. A mega thread with tons of good studies. No more doubting gym maxxing.

[actualunderstander]

First off, heres a study that shows that percieved upper body strength (which correlates to actual upper body strength which is objectively tested via grip strength measures) was directly linked to how attractive they were rated and its shown the people with most percieved and highest tested upper body strength were consistently rated the most attractive.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

Second, another study on upper body strength and how it overwhelmingly correlates with rated attractiveness

Upper body strength key factor in men's bodily attractiveness - Griffith News

What makes a man’s body attractive? In many mammalian species, females evolved to prefer the strongest males. According to research from Griffith University, the same is true of humans.

news.griffith.edu.au

Lastly on this subject, upper body strength was THE HIGHEST PREDICTOR of attractiveness

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

....


now on a new subject of study, upper body strength was directly correlated with how many partners a person has had. (Note, i dont recommend promiscuous behavior. This study just shows men with upper body strength on average attracted more mates.) Use this info to find a girlfriend, not be a man whore.

Upper Body Strength Linked to Mating Success in Both Genders

A study reveals a surprising link between upper body strength and mating success across genders. Using data from 4,316 U.S. adults, researchers found that individuals with greater grip strength reported more lifetime sexual partners.

www.technologynetworks.com

"Greater upper body strength correlates with more lifetime sexual partners for both men and women." Shown in the study right above ^^^​

Also, heres another study with the same finding.
This one ties it into hunter-gatherer subjects and even ties it into hunting success i guess..

Upper-body strength predicts hunting reputation and reproductive success in Hadza hunter–gatherers

Hunting is a characteristic feature of early human subsistence, and many theories of evolution have emphasized the role of hunting in hominization. St…

www.sciencedirect.com

LASTLY, here is a good study that shows men with muscles are more subconciously seen as leaders. Its a study done by berkley which shows we naturally see men with more upper body strength as having more leadership ability.

Bench Press for Success? Research Finds We See Muscle Men as Leaders - Cal Alumni Association

You can dress for success all you want, but if you’re a male, you might want to also make sure you hit the weights. A new study finds that people are more willing to perceive leadership qualities and confer status to men who are muscular. As for females, the study suggests being buff doesn’t...

alumni.berkeley.edu

Note, this doesnt mean skip leg day. Its just humans tend to initially put more importance on upper body strength. Leg strength is still just as important in alot of ways which i can get into later.

Anyways, i could go on all day but there are sooooooo many studies that PROVE the importance of looks maxing. Note none of these studies point to height being not important.

PS: this doesnt mean im advocating for steroids. Infact im against it. Natty all the way. All you need to do is put on 10+lbs of lean muscle on your frame , (maybe 15-20+lbs) and you will have a big physical advantage looksmax wise. Me personally when i put on muscle there was a significant difference in how women treated me. It waa like night and day. It doesn't make you invincible tho, and it doesnt mean youre some tough guy. It just makes you more attractive in females eyes and may get you a bit more respect from other men at times.

 

[Shkreliii]

those are non correlated.
but its more in the sense, if you're fit, you're probably more outgoing.

Its the same as being a christian puts you in lower risk of crime.

 

[Сигма Бой]

Gymcel yottacope

 

[RapeAllFemales]

I want to do framemaxxing and then dress up in a nazi uniform SS i want to see how the normies react

 

[smartstyle]

gym helps mentally(same as any physical activity) its well known fact, those who deny it is just LDARing mentalcels.

 

[smartstyle]

gym helps mentally(same as any physical activity) its well known fact, those who deny it is just LDARing mentalcels.

its quite literally increases your iq and life performance

 

[actualunderstander]

gym helps mentally(same as any physical activity) its well known fact, those who deny it is just LDARing mentalcels.

its possible the mental benefits it brings (confidence, etc) could be the thing that helps you most socially and with women, which shows the importance of mental maxing and social maxing. Even then the benefits are undeniable

 

[actualunderstander]

Gymcel yottacope

Stay small man, not gonna effect anyone but yourself.

 

[Romxnus753AC]

i have a question i wish u could answer

 

[SaneSavant]

Only if you have an aesthetic physique, not those bulky ones

 

[Сигма Бой]

its possible the mental benefits it brings (confidence, etc) could be the thing that helps you most socially and with women, which shows the importance of mental maxing and social maxing. Even then the benefits are undeniable

Gymmaxxing = Suicidemaxxing

 

[mangacel]

probably cause chad is also gifted on the frame and strength department

 

[actualunderstander]

i have a question i wish u could answer

What?

 

[Сигма Бой]

its quite literally increases your iq and life performance

Gymcel Geopcope: Gym increases IQ

 

[Iblamelife08]

Maybe if you look like david laid

 

[Сигма Бой]

gym helps mentally(same as any physical activity) its well known fact, those who deny it is just LDARing mentalcels.

Exercise is unhealthy. LDAR is law.

 

[actualunderstander]

Maybe if you look like david laid

Lol you think all the dudes in these studies look like david laid? Bullshit. These guys werent shirtless and flexing. Look at the studies closer

 

[Illithios]

If you're GL then yeah, otherwise all you can do with a nice body is create thirst traps with no face. It's a good looksmax to get a better face in general though, it should be done regardless.

 

[Iblamelife08]

Lol you think all the dudes in these studies look like david laid? Bullshit. These guys werent shirtless and flexing. Look at the studies closer

I mean like if you have david laid face it would add mire points you can have a ugly human with a ideal body but it wouldn't look as good

 

[actualunderstander]

I mean like if you have david laid face it would add mire points you can have a ugly human with a ideal body but it wouldn't look as good

These studies have nothing to do with face. But playing devils advocate, if u follow ur logic it could mean that people who are physically stronger have better faces and that working out long term (especially at a particular age range) could add to dimoprhism and make your face look a bit better over time due to working out regularly, and eating right to build strength. Just food for thought. Also more muscle could keep u leaner therfor making ur face better

 

[Iblamelife08]

These studies have nothing to do with face. But playing devils advocate, if u follow ur logic it could mean that people who are physically stronger have better faces and that working out long term (especially at a particular age range) could add to dimoprhism and make your face look a bit better over time due to working out regularly, and eating right to build strength. Just food for thought. Also more muscle could keep u leaner therfor making ur face better

Yeah like if you have a decent base it would add appeal

 

[smartstyle]

its possible the mental benefits it brings (confidence, etc) could be the thing that helps you most socially and with women, which shows the importance of mental maxing and social maxing. Even then the benefits are undeniable

it gives you confidence and makes you feel having more energy that leads to increased will to live + more sucess in everything, having more mental energy to do things is = increasing iq because iq is ability to learn.

These studies have nothing to do with face. But playing devils advocate, if u follow ur logic it could mean that people who are physically stronger have better faces and that working out long term (especially at a particular age range) could add to dimoprhism and make your face look a bit better over time due to working out regularly, and eating right to build strength. Just food for thought. Also more muscle could keep u leaner therfor making ur face better

its doubles the speed of leaning out and burns excess fat more + gives muscles that message is to those copers who say that you can "just eat less calories" jfl.

lowering bodyfat is fundamental looksmax, i never seen any chad above 15% bf, most of mtns could look htn at 10% though.

there is literally zero excuse to not gymmax, or atleast just exercise.

 

[Iblamelife08]

These studies have nothing to do with face. But playing devils advocate, if u follow ur logic it could mean that people who are physically stronger have better faces and that working out long term (especially at a particular age range) could add to dimoprhism and make your face look a bit better over time due to working out regularly, and eating right to build strength. Just food for thought. Also more muscle could keep u leaner therfor making ur face better

Wait since you support this topic do much can you send a guide or make a guide on how to maximize muscle growth

 

[actualunderstander]

it gives you confidence and makes you feel having more energy that leads to increased will to live + more sucess in everything, having more mental energy to do things is = increasing iq because iq is ability to learn.

its doubles the speed of leaning out and burns excess fat more + gives muscles that message is to those copers who say that you can "just eat less calories" jfl.

lowering bodyfat is fundamental looksmax, i never seen any chad above 15% bf, most of mtns could look htn at 10% though.

there is literally zero excuse to not gymmax, or atleast just exercise.

This guy gets it. If you workout right and eat right for just one year you can build 20 lbs of lean muscle, and if youre new to it or young you can even lose some fat at the same time... you dont need roids, you dont need sarms, just pure natty gains if done right

 

[Romxnus753AC]

What?

since muscles with exercise change, do you think push ups and neck training could help with jaw muscles

 

[actualunderstander]

Wait since you support this topic do much can you send a guide or make a guide on how to maximize muscle growth

Yeah i can and its SIMPLE and EASY. I can get more in depth, but literally all you need to do is do is do a balanced push/pull/leg workout, eat 120 grams of protein a day, make yourself consistently go (use pre workout if you have to), sleep atleast 6 hours a night (8 is preferrable), use good form and lastly PROGRESSIVELY OVERLOAD (making sure to add weight or reps with the same weight) to your workout each week, and you will make sick gains.

Most people end up doing the infamous 2 month cycle and then quit. If you just force yourself to do it for 4-5 months, you will then see the gains and wont need motivation, you will just naturally want to go. Alot of people quit before then because they may see gains yes, but its not yet to what they wanted and quit. They do this and dont even realize they are just about to turn the corner to gainsville.

I can make a more indepth tread but that is literally it. No more complicated, no less.it really is easy. Its all about consistency and thats where most people fail.

 

[actualunderstander]

since muscles with exercise change, do you think push ups and neck training could help with jaw muscles

Yes. Especially if youre still growing. If youre a teenager (or not, it still applies just not as much) if you start working with heavy weight now, stay consistent, eat right, work your neck, do heavy compounds to increase test even more than working out already does, sleep right, and keep decent tongue posture, you will most likely notice facial changes. Thats just my anecdote tho. You can see athletes who obviously start roiding and then overtime u see their faces change. Im not saying to start roiding, but in theory u can do the same with working out and eating right.

Its possible its too late once youre in your 20s to naturally do it, but its FOR SURE not too late if youre a teenager. Even if youre 17-19.

 

[gymceltard]

those are non correlated.
but its more in the sense, if you're fit, you're probably more outgoing.

Its the same as being a christian puts you in lower risk of crime.

This, the type of person to gymcel is probably a fratbro or athlete who is more extroverted and social/outgoing compared to the general population. I don't think skinny handsome guys struggle with getting laid.

Science can easily be manipulated, for example ice cream sales are correlated with murder rates, that doesn't mean eating ice cream causes murder.

 

[actualunderstander]

This, the type of person to gymcel is probably a fratbro or athlete who is more extroverted and social/outgoing compared to the general population. I don't think skinny handsome guys struggle with getting laid.

Science can easily be manipulated, for example ice cream sales are correlated with murder rates, that doesn't mean eating ice cream causes murder.

I think its pretty obvious this has much more statistical significance than the ice cream example.

Edit: plus, this is based off first looks, not interactions socially.

 

[gymceltard]

I think its pretty obvious this has much more statistical significance than the ice cream example.

Edit: plus, this is based off first looks, not interactions socially.

If you compare a lifting fratbro who goes to party every weekend, to the average person (redditor who sits inside playing video games all day) of course the frat bro will slay more.

But if you compare a frat bro to his looksmatch who doens't lift, but also goes out and talks to girls I don't think gym will make a difference.

 

[Iblamelife08]

Yeah i can and its SIMPLE and EASY. I can get more in depth, but literally all you need to do is do is do a balanced push/pull/leg workout, eat 120 grams of protein a day, make yourself consistently go (use pre workout if you have to), sleep atleast 6 hours a night (8 is preferrable), use good form and lastly PROGRESSIVELY OVERLOAD (making sure to add weight or reps with the same weight) to your workout each week, and you will make sick gains.

Most people end up doing the infamous 2 month cycle and then quit. If you just force yourself to do it for 4-5 months, you will then see the gains and wont need motivation, you will just naturally want to go. Alot of people quit before then because they may see gains yes, but its not yet to what they wanted and quit. They do this and dont even realize they are just about to turn the corner to gainsville.

I can make a more indepth tread but that is literally it. No more complicated, no less.it really is easy. Its all about consistency and thats where most people fail.

So im 165 lbs and i barely got any muscle do i eat the same protein as my off days because when i have my pull days i like to eat more then my current body weight

 

[actualunderstander]

So im 165 lbs and i barely got any muscle do i eat the same protein as my off days because when i have my pull days i like to eat more then my current body weight

Its actually MORE important to eat more protein on your off days. Your muscles grow when you rest , you break them down in the gym. Everyday, you should be eating 120 grams of protein , doesnt matter if you train that day or not. It takes 3 days for your muscles to fully heal and grow.

Its fine to eat more than that btw. So if u eat more protein on your pull days, thats completely fine. But some of it isnt used and is either stored for later or just crapped out

 

[Iblamelife08]

Its actually MORE important to eat more protein on your off days. Your muscles grow when you rest , you break them down in the gym. Everyday, you should be eating 120 grams of protein , doesnt matter if you train that day or not. It takes 3 days for your muscles to fully heal and grow.

Its fine to eat more than that btw. So if u eat more protein on your pull days, thats completely fine. But some of it isnt used and is either stored for later or just crapped out

Bro make a guide it would go insane also what are some cheap proteins? And high minerals

 

[actualunderstander]

Bro make a guide it would go insane also what are some cheap proteins? And high minerals

Lotssss of cheap protein. You can buy protein powder in bulk for cheap af but honestly there are so many options for cheap protein its hard to get into.

And maybe ill make a guide, i feel there already are those, no?

 

[Iblamelife08]

Lotssss of cheap protein. You can buy protein powder in bulk for cheap af but honestly there are so many options for cheap protein its hard to get into.

And maybe ill make a guide, i feel there already are those, no?

Yeah but you can definitely make it better

 

[actualunderstander]

Bump

 

[kitten]

we dont need this, the only people saying gym is cope are the biggest slaves in existence. they sit their thick selves on their man made chairs then go onto their man made computer and mindlessly spout whatever goatis says without questioning it. every bp fag retard who says gym is cope is probably 600 lbs living in their mothers basement with discord kittens and shit. dude i fucking hate the examples they give as well like yeah look at this genetic miracle with insane bone structure frame by genetics then look at this also genetic failure manlet (both extremely rare) trying to cope with having his frame by gaining muscle. this is like saying neurotypicals will forever be greater than neurodivergents then showing a man in his 20s who has the brain of a child in comparrision to chad thundercock. the entire argument can be destroyed just by saying short man with muscles who normies respect or short man whos even smaller because he has no muscles. good thread i know i said "we dont need this" still gonna read later though.

 

[actualunderstander]

we dont need this, the only people saying gym is cope are the biggest slaves in existence. they sit their thick selves on their man made chairs then go onto their man made computer and mindlessly spout whatever goatis says without questioning it. every bp fag retard who says gym is cope is probably 600 lbs living in their mothers basement with discord kittens and shit. dude i fucking hate the examples they give as well like yeah look at this genetic miracle with insane bone structure frame by genetics then look at this also genetic failure manlet (both extremely rare) trying to cope with having his frame by gaining muscle. this is like saying neurotypicals will forever be greater than neurodivergents then showing a man in his 20s who has the brain of a child in comparrision to chad thundercock. the entire argument can be destroyed just by saying short man with muscles who normies respect or short man whos even smaller because he has no muscles. good thread i know i said "we dont need this" still gonna read later though.

Thanks m8. I get what u mean by the "gym is cope" crowd. There is a type of people who go on here and spout that nonsense and its obvious what type of person they are. They are demoralized black pillers who dont want others to succeed because they have no faith in themselves. The type of dudes to rate legit famous male models 6/10 or mid tier when its obvious they arent. Its a percentage of this forum like that and they can damage newbies who are new to this and insecure. They are the traditional incel archetype who wanna see others fail

Glad to know some folks get it like you

 

[actualunderstander]

Bump for motivation

 

[kitten]

Thanks m8. I get what u mean by the "gym is cope" crowd. There is a type of people who go on here and spout that nonsense and its obvious what type of person they are. They are demoralized black pillers who dont want others to succeed because they have no faith in themselves. The type of dudes to rate legit famous male models 6/10 or mid tier when its obvious they arent. Its a percentage of this forum like that and they can damage newbies who are new to this and insecure. They are the traditional incel archetype who wanna see others fail

Glad to know some folks get it like you

thanks too buddy. yeah brah sometimes i look at pics from when i was a little kid, its sort of like a reality check i was at my happiest when i wasn’t exposed to all these terrible things on the internet. obviously as a child you most likely will be very happy because as you get older you do get exposed to more and more though my point is this stuff is toxic as hell main conclusion i always come to is just go outside more lol

 

[nathan]

you have to be a retard to deny that gym works for most people

 

[actualunderstander]

you have to be a retard to deny that gym works for most people

Yeah but people here still do. Or they go overboard and take roids. Its a shame

 

[AstroSky]

First off, heres a study that shows that percieved upper body strength (which correlates to actual upper body strength which is objectively tested via grip strength measures) was directly linked to how attractive they were rated and its shown the people with most percieved and highest tested upper body strength were consistently rated the most attractive.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

Second, another study on upper body strength and how it overwhelmingly correlates with rated attractiveness

Upper body strength key factor in men's bodily attractiveness - Griffith News

What makes a man’s body attractive? In many mammalian species, females evolved to prefer the strongest males. According to research from Griffith University, the same is true of humans.

news.griffith.edu.au

Lastly on this subject, upper body strength was THE HIGHEST PREDICTOR of attractiveness

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

....


now on a new subject of study, upper body strength was directly correlated with how many partners a person has had. (Note, i dont recommend promiscuous behavior. This study just shows men with upper body strength on average attracted more mates.) Use this info to find a girlfriend, not be a man whore.

Upper Body Strength Linked to Mating Success in Both Genders

A study reveals a surprising link between upper body strength and mating success across genders. Using data from 4,316 U.S. adults, researchers found that individuals with greater grip strength reported more lifetime sexual partners.

www.technologynetworks.com

"Greater upper body strength correlates with more lifetime sexual partners for both men and women." Shown in the study right above ^^^​

Also, heres another study with the same finding.
This one ties it into hunter-gatherer subjects and even ties it into hunting success i guess..

Upper-body strength predicts hunting reputation and reproductive success in Hadza hunter–gatherers

Hunting is a characteristic feature of early human subsistence, and many theories of evolution have emphasized the role of hunting in hominization. St…

www.sciencedirect.com

LASTLY, here is a good study that shows men with muscles are more subconciously seen as leaders. Its a study done by berkley which shows we naturally see men with more upper body strength as having more leadership ability.

Bench Press for Success? Research Finds We See Muscle Men as Leaders - Cal Alumni Association

You can dress for success all you want, but if you’re a male, you might want to also make sure you hit the weights. A new study finds that people are more willing to perceive leadership qualities and confer status to men who are muscular. As for females, the study suggests being buff doesn’t...

alumni.berkeley.edu

Note, this doesnt mean skip leg day. Its just humans tend to initially put more importance on upper body strength. Leg strength is still just as important in alot of ways which i can get into later.

Anyways, i could go on all day but there are sooooooo many studies that PROVE the importance of looks maxing. Note none of these studies point to height being not important.

PS: this doesnt mean im advocating for steroids. Infact im against it. Natty all the way. All you need to do is put on 10+lbs of lean muscle on your frame , (maybe 15-20+lbs) and you will have a big physical advantage looksmax wise. Me personally when i put on muscle there was a significant difference in how women treated me. It waa like night and day. It doesn't make you invincible tho, and it doesnt mean youre some tough guy. It just makes you more attractive in females eyes and may get you a bit more respect from other men at times.

Just an example for me and my experience as I gotten bigger I directly have experienced more looks from both males and females. I got looks before but only when I wore leather jacket or big overcoats to hide my frame


Now that my frame is good I frequently go shirt less at my gym ( allowed) or cut off. Feels good go not be ashamed of my body anymore. Big shoulders always is female appeal regardless. I believe back Is another female gaze muscle group biceps not so much.

 

[actualunderstander]

Just an example for me and my experience as I gotten bigger I directly have experienced more looks from both males and females. I got looks before but only when I wore leather jacket or big overcoats to hide my frame


Now that my frame is good I frequently go shirt less at my gym ( allowed) or cut off. Feels good go not be ashamed of my body anymore

Yep. I know the feeling of being fat, then skinny, then muscular. You just get more female attention, peroid. It could be due to increased confidence, like a domino effect, idk but it works

 

[AstroSky]

Yep. I know the feeling of being fat, then skinny, then muscular. You just get more female attention, peroid. It could be due to increased confidence, like a domino effect, idk but it works

Low key confidence translates to less weird manurisms or autistic movements Lmao. Females can smell that from a mile away.

 

[actualunderstander]

Low key confidence translates to less weird manurisms or autistic movements Lmao. Females can smell that from a mile away.

100%. U get it. Plus its just biology. Like a chick with bigger boobs. They are hard wired to find certain things more attractive for survival. Its obviously not the only thing and often isnt enough on its own, but it objectively helps.

 

[Comebackkid]

we dont need this, the only people saying gym is cope are the biggest slaves in existence. they sit their thick selves on their man made chairs then go onto their man made computer and mindlessly spout whatever goatis says without questioning it. every bp fag retard who says gym is cope is probably 600 lbs living in their mothers basement with discord kittens and shit. dude i fucking hate the examples they give as well like yeah look at this genetic miracle with insane bone structure frame by genetics then look at this also genetic failure manlet (both extremely rare) trying to cope with having his frame by gaining muscle. this is like saying neurotypicals will forever be greater than neurodivergents then showing a man in his 20s who has the brain of a child in comparrision to chad thundercock. the entire argument can be destroyed just by saying short man with muscles who normies respect or short man whos even smaller because he has no muscles. good thread i know i said "we dont need this" still gonna read later though.

Gym is useless outside Tinder pics
Only things that matters is money and women, gym takes a huge toll on your energy and won't give you any of the 2
Being social is 10000x more important than going to the gym, most don't have the energy to go to the gym and socialize too

 

[Comebackkid]

100%. U get it. Plus its just biology. Like a chick with bigger boobs. They are hard wired to find certain things more attractive for survival. Its obviously not the only thing and often isnt enough on its own, but it objectively helps.

Its not about "it helps or not" in life its about how much it helps and is it worth the time wasted or not

 

[kitten]

Gym is useless outside Tinder pics
Only things that matters is money and women, gym takes a huge toll on your energy and won't give you any of the 2
Being social is 10000x more important than going to the gym, most don't have the energy to go to the gym and socialize too

how does gym take a huge toll on your energy? what the fuck do you mean most can’t socialise while also being gym goers where are you getting these ideas from? gym isn’t useless outside of tinder pics, you literally contradicted yourself by next saying it’s money and women. clearly you acknowledge women find muscles attractive because you said so about using tinder. wouldn’t it only help if you had more muscle?what’s the difference in the real world? plus most people have lens distortion on their tinder pics it often times is more about the face on tinder not physique. normies male or female often times know fuck all about human biology weight training and nutrition so when they see some gym maxed guy out and about they’ll usually see him as more superior. the guys on love island in uk are all on roids they fucking lift you’re so fucking retarded just kys yes money matter majority of people aren’t rich yes having a social circle matters but that has nothing to do with this.

 

[kitten]

Its not about "it helps or not" in life its about how much it helps and is it worth the time wasted or not

it isn’t time wasted if it’s helping is it