Self-hate: the reason why you don't deserve love as an incel.

[twojei]

PREFACE
There was an autistic girl who was introduced to me by my therapist. She has had a hard life not gonna lie. Being somewhat autistic as a girl tends to be brutal since autistic women are a lil bit more "individualistic"; behaviour which tends to be easily punished by NT women. She was there for me at my worst moment: chronically ill, ugly, broke, insecure, etc. I even remember telling her about my attempt to rope because I was drunk at that time. She never walked away and was always there for me. Do you know who kept her away? Me. I did it three times, and we would always talk again.

In the end, people get tired. She told me herself without telling me directly: indecisive guy. “Life is a risk”, "You are my soul mate because you have what I lack (and viceversa of course)", she used to say. In my head, it was impossible for these kind of girls to exist . I was so brainwashed from the Blackpill and manosphere content that I did not believed these kind of girls existed and so, I did what my subconscious mind wanted me to do the fastest: sabotage everything and get away from her.
​

To be honest, I'm glad she stopped talking to me. I do not deserve her.

SELF-HATE: the reason why you will sabotage good relationships.

It's paradoxical don't you think? You have been hated throughout all of your life that you are so full of self-hate, and that's precisely the reason why you don't deserve love not from a foid, but from a woman. How brutal! Even if you were to become a tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

Hypothetically, what if a woman ever sees behind her own ego and starts loving your soul (or nerve-structure and brain for the atheists)? You will fucking destroy her motherfucker! You're so full of self-hate that once she shows you that she can really love you in a way you never expected, you will start hating her back because her loving what you hate of yourself will hurt your ego. Your ego wants to attach itself to hate and anger because it is easier than simply loving, forgiving, and being compassionate with yourself.​

How simple it is to simply truly love, forgive, and be compassionate with yourself right? NO! It isn't, because if it was then there would no be depressed incels, and what's more, depression wouldn't even probably even exist in this world. Thus I dearly ask you brother: Is not the weight of existence enough for you? Was not being born and being given lots of fucking problems—even when you didn't ask for them—enough for you? Then tell me brother, fucking tell me! Why to suffer?! Was not dealing with the fucking Blackpill firsthand enough for you, that now you need to carry even more anger that will be repressed, and consequently will give you depression which will make you suffer even more?!

What are you gonna do? Rope? Do you even know how much fucking courage you need to even commit to it?! The fucking courage you didn't have to live in spite of your horrible circumstances motherfucker; just as other incels do. Do learn from them, and that's why it is so important for incels to connect in real life too, not just in the internet. Furthermore, do you even know how fucking horrible it can be roping if you're already an over-sensitive aspie? Fucking hell. There's not shame in dying by suicide or living though, they are both sides of the same coin; one I cannot even describe yet.

And now, what you gonna do? Will you go ER on innocent people right? To project your hate to the world who was first projected to you first by the ego of other people, proceeding to leave the fucking INCEL community worst than it already is, giving those frustrated motherfuckers of IT more hate-fuel—but more important—now you are giving more reasons to so(y)ciety to keep hating you. Congratulations! Do you all see how hate and anger just create more hate and anger? The most perfect recipe for simulateneous self-destruction! Congratulations! Now you hate the world and yourself even more. Do you really want this? Do you want more pain?

 

[twojei]

@greycel

 

[oooooooooo8484848]

good read. My ex lacks self love and she found it in me but unfortunately she couldn't handle it because she did not love herself

 

[lestoa]

kill yourself

 

[twojei]

good read. My ex lacks self love and she found it in me but unfortunately she couldn't handle it because she did not love herself

It's even more brutal for incels because they are reciving hate all of the time which ends up transforming into self-hate. Such a thing undermines the opportunity to even have a good relationship if they ever get the opportunity.

I think everyone should be willing to let go of certain ideas and not hold on to them so tightly. It is not that life contradicts us which is what normies say, it is simply that there are beliefs so clung to in our subconscious mind that they end up manifesting themselves into actions in real life, and many times they are not the right ones.

 

[twojei]

kill yourself

Love yourself.

 

[twojei]

good read. My ex lacks self love and she found it in me but unfortunately she couldn't handle it because she did not love herself

How did she sabotaged your relationship?

Insecurity?

 

[HeavyMetalcel]

If a woman approached me right now and said that she liked me I would think "why on Earth would you like me, I don't deserve that"

 

[lestoa]

Love yourself.

i hate positive people

 

[GeneralCumSHot]

https://looksmax.org/threads/i-showed-my-dick-in-high-school.1284537/ read

 

[twojei]

i hate positive people

Do you think someone who has tried to kill himself 7 times and likes pessimist philosophy can be described as a "positive" guy?

 

[lestoa]

Do you think someone who has tried to kill himself 7 times and likes pessimist philosophy can be described as a "positive" guy?

you are just trying to cope, you are escaping reality and lying to urself

 

[fluxx]

If a woman approached me right now and said that she liked me I would think "why on Earth would you like me, I don't deserve that"

subconsciously bro

 

[twojei]

you are just trying to cope, you are escaping reality and lying to urself

You have "16,452" posts. Is not you the one who's escaping reality?

 

[lestoa]

You have "16,452" posts. Is not you the one who's escaping reality?

I do, but atleast iam not lying to myself

 

[twojei]

I do, but atleast iam not lying to myself

You sure? Passive escapism is in a certain way a form of lying to ourselves...

 

[ducksoover]

PREFACE
There was an autistic girl who was introduced to me by my therapist. She has had a hard life not gonna lie. Being somewhat autistic as a girl tends to be brutal since autistic women are a lil bit more "individualistic"; behaviour which tends to be easily punished by NT women. She was there for me at my worst moment: chronically ill, ugly, broke, insecure, etc. I even remember telling her about my attempt to rope because I was drunk at that time. She never walked away and was always there for me. Do you know who kept her away? Me. I did it three times, and we would always talk again.

In the end, people get tired. She told me herself without telling me directly: indecisive guy. “Life is a risk”, "You are my soul mate because you have what I lack (and viceversa of course)", she used to say. In my head, it was impossible for these kind of girls to exist . I was so brainwashed from the Blackpill and manosphere content that I did not believed these kind of girls existed and so, I did what my subconscious mind wanted me to do the fastest: sabotage everything and get away from her.
​

To be honest, I'm glad she stopped talking to me. I do not deserve her.

SELF-HATE: the reason why you will sabotage good relationships.

It's paradoxical don't you think? You have been hated throughout all of your life that you are so full of self-hate, and that's precisely the reason why you don't deserve love not from a foid, but from a woman. How brutal! Even if you were to become a tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

Hypothetically, what if a woman ever sees behind her own ego and starts loving your soul (or nerve-structure and brain for the atheists)? You will fucking destroy her motherfucker! You're so full of self-hate that once she shows you that she can really love you in a way you never expected, you will start hating her back because her loving what you hate of yourself will hurt your ego. Your ego wants to attach itself to hate and anger because it is easier than simply loving, forgiving, and being compassionate with yourself.​

How simple it is to simply truly love, forgive, and be compassionate with yourself right? NO! It isn't, because if it was then there would no be depressed incels, and what's more, depression wouldn't even probably even exist in this world. Thus I dearly ask you brother: Is not the weight of existence enough for you? Was not being born and being given lots of fucking problems—even when you didn't ask for them—enough for you? Then tell me brother, fucking tell me! Why to suffer?! Was not dealing with the fucking Blackpill firsthand enough for you, that now you need to carry even more anger that will be repressed, and consequently will give you depression which will make you suffer even more?!

What are you gonna do? Rope? Do you even know how much fucking courage you need to even commit to it?! The fucking courage you didn't have to live in spite of your horrible circumstances motherfucker; just as other incels do. Do learn from them, and that's why it is so important for incels to connect in real life too, not just in the internet. Furthermore, do you even know how fucking horrible it can be roping if you're already an over-sensitive aspie? Fucking hell. There's not shame in dying by suicide or living though, they are both sides of the same coin; one I cannot even describe yet.

And now, what you gonna do? Will you go ER on innocent people right? To project your hate to the world who was first projected to you first by the ego of other people, proceeding to leave the fucking INCEL community worst than it already is, giving those frustrated motherfuckers of IT more hate-fuel—but more important—now you are giving more reasons to so(y)ciety to keep hating you. Congratulations! Do you all see how hate and anger just create more hate and anger? The most perfect recipe for simulateneous self-destruction! Congratulations! Now you hate the world and yourself even more. Do you really want this? Do you want more pain?

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pure projection

 

[twojei]

pure projection

Yes, in a sense I wrote it for me, but I was hopping someone could get benefited from it.

 

[lestoa]

tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

god you are so smart please fuck my wife OP

 

[twojei]

god you are so smart please fuck my wife OP

So now you are giving yourself away to cuck fantasies? How sad...

 

[BecomingHuman]

tldr: Daily positivity post for NT normies

 

[lestoa]

So now you are giving yourself away to cuck fantasies? How sad...

yes omg you are such a smart chad you make such revolutionary threads

 

[ducksoover]

Yes, in a sense I wrote it for me, but I was hopping someone could get benefited from it.

so why title it "why you don't deserve love as an incel"?

you at least had a chance, many of us haven't even had the slightest bit of romantic experience. You also said she saw you at your worst too? lol the fuckn privilege

 

[twojei]

so why title it "why you don't deserve love as an incel"?

you at least had a chance, many of us haven't even had the slightest bit of romantic experience. You also said she saw you at your worst too? lol the fuckn privilege

Because they might be others who could share a similar life experience to me, and the title is more eye-catching.

Yes, I had a chance, and all the more reason I had to write this post. So that others similar to me don't make my mistakes.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

PREFACE
There was an autistic girl who was introduced to me by my therapist. She has had a hard life not gonna lie. Being somewhat autistic as a girl tends to be brutal since autistic women are a lil bit more "individualistic"; behaviour which tends to be easily punished by NT women. She was there for me at my worst moment: chronically ill, ugly, broke, insecure, etc. I even remember telling her about my attempt to rope because I was drunk at that time. She never walked away and was always there for me. Do you know who kept her away? Me. I did it three times, and we would always talk again.

In the end, people get tired. She told me herself without telling me directly: indecisive guy. “Life is a risk”, "You are my soul mate because you have what I lack (and viceversa of course)", she used to say. In my head, it was impossible for these kind of girls to exist . I was so brainwashed from the Blackpill and manosphere content that I did not believed these kind of girls existed and so, I did what my subconscious mind wanted me to do the fastest: sabotage everything and get away from her.
​

To be honest, I'm glad she stopped talking to me. I do not deserve her.

SELF-HATE: the reason why you will sabotage good relationships.

It's paradoxical don't you think? You have been hated throughout all of your life that you are so full of self-hate, and that's precisely the reason why you don't deserve love not from a foid, but from a woman. How brutal! Even if you were to become a tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

Hypothetically, what if a woman ever sees behind her own ego and starts loving your soul (or nerve-structure and brain for the atheists)? You will fucking destroy her motherfucker! You're so full of self-hate that once she shows you that she can really love you in a way you never expected, you will start hating her back because her loving what you hate of yourself will hurt your ego. Your ego wants to attach itself to hate and anger because it is easier than simply loving, forgiving, and being compassionate with yourself.​

How simple it is to simply truly love, forgive, and be compassionate with yourself right? NO! It isn't, because if it was then there would no be depressed incels, and what's more, depression wouldn't even probably even exist in this world. Thus I dearly ask you brother: Is not the weight of existence enough for you? Was not being born and being given lots of fucking problems—even when you didn't ask for them—enough for you? Then tell me brother, fucking tell me! Why to suffer?! Was not dealing with the fucking Blackpill firsthand enough for you, that now you need to carry even more anger that will be repressed, and consequently will give you depression which will make you suffer even more?!

What are you gonna do? Rope? Do you even know how much fucking courage you need to even commit to it?! The fucking courage you didn't have to live in spite of your horrible circumstances motherfucker; just as other incels do. Do learn from them, and that's why it is so important for incels to connect in real life too, not just in the internet. Furthermore, do you even know how fucking horrible it can be roping if you're already an over-sensitive aspie? Fucking hell. There's not shame in dying by suicide or living though, they are both sides of the same coin; one I cannot even describe yet.

And now, what you gonna do? Will you go ER on innocent people right? To project your hate to the world who was first projected to you first by the ego of other people, proceeding to leave the fucking INCEL community worst than it already is, giving those frustrated motherfuckers of IT more hate-fuel—but more important—now you are giving more reasons to so(y)ciety to keep hating you. Congratulations! Do you all see how hate and anger just create more hate and anger? The most perfect recipe for simulateneous self-destruction! Congratulations! Now you hate the world and yourself even more. Do you really want this? Do you want more pain?

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[twojei]

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[JeanneDArcAlter]

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[twojei]

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[Chinacurry]

PREFACE
There was an autistic girl who was introduced to me by my therapist. She has had a hard life not gonna lie. Being somewhat autistic as a girl tends to be brutal since autistic women are a lil bit more "individualistic"; behaviour which tends to be easily punished by NT women. She was there for me at my worst moment: chronically ill, ugly, broke, insecure, etc. I even remember telling her about my attempt to rope because I was drunk at that time. She never walked away and was always there for me. Do you know who kept her away? Me. I did it three times, and we would always talk again.

In the end, people get tired. She told me herself without telling me directly: indecisive guy. “Life is a risk”, "You are my soul mate because you have what I lack (and viceversa of course)", she used to say. In my head, it was impossible for these kind of girls to exist . I was so brainwashed from the Blackpill and manosphere content that I did not believed these kind of girls existed and so, I did what my subconscious mind wanted me to do the fastest: sabotage everything and get away from her.
​

To be honest, I'm glad she stopped talking to me. I do not deserve her.

SELF-HATE: the reason why you will sabotage good relationships.

It's paradoxical don't you think? You have been hated throughout all of your life that you are so full of self-hate, and that's precisely the reason why you don't deserve love not from a foid, but from a woman. How brutal! Even if you were to become a tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

Hypothetically, what if a woman ever sees behind her own ego and starts loving your soul (or nerve-structure and brain for the atheists)? You will fucking destroy her motherfucker! You're so full of self-hate that once she shows you that she can really love you in a way you never expected, you will start hating her back because her loving what you hate of yourself will hurt your ego. Your ego wants to attach itself to hate and anger because it is easier than simply loving, forgiving, and being compassionate with yourself.​

How simple it is to simply truly love, forgive, and be compassionate with yourself right? NO! It isn't, because if it was then there would no be depressed incels, and what's more, depression wouldn't even probably even exist in this world. Thus I dearly ask you brother: Is not the weight of existence enough for you? Was not being born and being given lots of fucking problems—even when you didn't ask for them—enough for you? Then tell me brother, fucking tell me! Why to suffer?! Was not dealing with the fucking Blackpill firsthand enough for you, that now you need to carry even more anger that will be repressed, and consequently will give you depression which will make you suffer even more?!

What are you gonna do? Rope? Do you even know how much fucking courage you need to even commit to it?! The fucking courage you didn't have to live in spite of your horrible circumstances motherfucker; just as other incels do. Do learn from them, and that's why it is so important for incels to connect in real life too, not just in the internet. Furthermore, do you even know how fucking horrible it can be roping if you're already an over-sensitive aspie? Fucking hell. There's not shame in dying by suicide or living though, they are both sides of the same coin; one I cannot even describe yet.

And now, what you gonna do? Will you go ER on innocent people right? To project your hate to the world who was first projected to you first by the ego of other people, proceeding to leave the fucking INCEL community worst than it already is, giving those frustrated motherfuckers of IT more hate-fuel—but more important—now you are giving more reasons to so(y)ciety to keep hating you. Congratulations! Do you all see how hate and anger just create more hate and anger? The most perfect recipe for simulateneous self-destruction! Congratulations! Now you hate the world and yourself even more. Do you really want this? Do you want more pain?

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Damn this hit hard.

But doesn't our self hate come from a foid/ her friends hurting us?

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

 

[twojei]

Damn this hit hard.

But doesn't our self hate come from a foid/ her friends hurting us?

I don't know about you, but for me, my self-hate comes from not understanding that the circumstances life gave me are not my fault. In other words, even though there is pain, there is no need to suffer, there is no need to self-torture myself with thousands of "what if?" over and over.

 

[Wexilarious]

Good thread, I need to take note that the girl can also think like this and because of this she distances herself from me

 

[oooooooooo8484848]

How did she sabotaged your relationship?

Insecurity?

she just couldn't handle being loved, she said it was overwhelming for her as i'm a very intense person. We still talk now and then and she's still in love with me and misses me but we're not gonna be able to be anything until she loves herself enough. when you don't love yourself being loved by others is tiring as you're not used to it

 

[oooooooooo8484848]

It's even more brutal for incels because they are reciving hate all of the time which ends up transforming into self-hate. Such a thing undermines the opportunity to even have a good relationship if they ever get the opportunity.

I think everyone should be willing to let go of certain ideas and not hold on to them so tightly. It is not that life contradicts us which is what normies say, it is simply that there are beliefs so clung to in our subconscious mind that they end up manifesting themselves into actions in real life, and many times they are not the right ones.

I wouldn't say i'm a truecel, i've had relationships with girls and i've hooked up with girls before and im usually complimented often and get interactions with girls, but unfortunately I do have an incel mindset which makes me feel like im not enough and i have insane dysmorphia and to make it worse i'm diagnosed with autism so im really really intense

 

[greycel]

Very good post OP!
Reminds me of this pic

I think all this comes down to humility.
If in the moment you find out the perceived truth you had thought all along was not true, then you should be humble to accept reality for the blessing it truly is

Rather than find a way to continue hating because you have associated negative emotions to your views

But of course if you've allowed incel ideologies or content in this sphere to have not only a big but also rigid effect on how you view life, then it will be hard to break that viewpoint
At which point you've dug your own hole

 

[Foreverbrad]

That’s why I’m getting surgery. If I can just somehow kick start a positive feedback loop instead of constantly receiving hate then I might be able to move on from the current pit of despair and self loathing.

But to be honest as I enter my thirties, being a financial failure is becoming just as crushing of a burden as being a genetic one and it is visible in the contempt with which my peers treat me.

 

[twojei]

That’s why I’m getting surgery. If I can just somehow kick start a positive feedback loop instead of constantly receiving hate then I might be able to move on from the current pit of despair and self loathing.

But to be honest as I enter my thirties, being a financial failure is becoming just as crushing of a burden as being a genetic one and it is visible in the contempt with which my peers treat me.

Yeah boyo. Don't despair. I also still dealing with my symptoms and they sometimes cause me to fall into the same pit of despair, but lately Im thinking of living without too much worry and enjoy life to the fullest, doing some crazy shit. If the pain is too much I will just rope.

 

[LimaDummy]

She sounds good at socialising for someone whos autistic

 

[just coping]

High iq did read

 

[Deleted member 55731]

Nice larp story to victim blame, fagget

 

[twojei]

Nice larp story to victim blame, fagget

Kill yourself

 

[Primalsplit]

Just love yourself theory

 

[Klasik616]

PREFACE
There was an autistic girl who was introduced to me by my therapist. She has had a hard life not gonna lie. Being somewhat autistic as a girl tends to be brutal since autistic women are a lil bit more "individualistic"; behaviour which tends to be easily punished by NT women. She was there for me at my worst moment: chronically ill, ugly, broke, insecure, etc. I even remember telling her about my attempt to rope because I was drunk at that time. She never walked away and was always there for me. Do you know who kept her away? Me. I did it three times, and we would always talk again.

In the end, people get tired. She told me herself without telling me directly: indecisive guy. “Life is a risk”, "You are my soul mate because you have what I lack (and viceversa of course)", she used to say. In my head, it was impossible for these kind of girls to exist . I was so brainwashed from the Blackpill and manosphere content that I did not believed these kind of girls existed and so, I did what my subconscious mind wanted me to do the fastest: sabotage everything and get away from her.
​

To be honest, I'm glad she stopped talking to me. I do not deserve her.

SELF-HATE: the reason why you will sabotage good relationships.

It's paradoxical don't you think? You have been hated throughout all of your life that you are so full of self-hate, and that's precisely the reason why you don't deserve love not from a foid, but from a woman. How brutal! Even if you were to become a tomorrow, you might be ready to love a foid, but not a woman. Why? Because you will "discharge" all of that hate into her, sabotaging everything.

Hypothetically, what if a woman ever sees behind her own ego and starts loving your soul (or nerve-structure and brain for the atheists)? You will fucking destroy her motherfucker! You're so full of self-hate that once she shows you that she can really love you in a way you never expected, you will start hating her back because her loving what you hate of yourself will hurt your ego. Your ego wants to attach itself to hate and anger because it is easier than simply loving, forgiving, and being compassionate with yourself.​

How simple it is to simply truly love, forgive, and be compassionate with yourself right? NO! It isn't, because if it was then there would no be depressed incels, and what's more, depression wouldn't even probably even exist in this world. Thus I dearly ask you brother: Is not the weight of existence enough for you? Was not being born and being given lots of fucking problems—even when you didn't ask for them—enough for you? Then tell me brother, fucking tell me! Why to suffer?! Was not dealing with the fucking Blackpill firsthand enough for you, that now you need to carry even more anger that will be repressed, and consequently will give you depression which will make you suffer even more?!

What are you gonna do? Rope? Do you even know how much fucking courage you need to even commit to it?! The fucking courage you didn't have to live in spite of your horrible circumstances motherfucker; just as other incels do. Do learn from them, and that's why it is so important for incels to connect in real life too, not just in the internet. Furthermore, do you even know how fucking horrible it can be roping if you're already an over-sensitive aspie? Fucking hell. There's not shame in dying by suicide or living though, they are both sides of the same coin; one I cannot even describe yet.

And now, what you gonna do? Will you go ER on innocent people right? To project your hate to the world who was first projected to you first by the ego of other people, proceeding to leave the fucking INCEL community worst than it already is, giving those frustrated motherfuckers of IT more hate-fuel—but more important—now you are giving more reasons to so(y)ciety to keep hating you. Congratulations! Do you all see how hate and anger just create more hate and anger? The most perfect recipe for simulateneous self-destruction! Congratulations! Now you hate the world and yourself even more. Do you really want this? Do you want more pain?

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Interesting thread

Yea I don't believe good women exist atleast until reality proves me false

I don't think a single woman could love an undesirable man with no money, looks or social status.

 

[Deleted member 122909]

Hey twojei, I'm a huge fan of your posts while I was lurking before I joined this site. I was wondering if you can look into my philosophy and challenge it if you can? Or if you agree with it?

I had a long lengthy conversation with Deepseek (better than chatgpt BTW LOL) and fed it my shroom experiences and it helped me come to this understanding. It criticized my points and I answer its criticisms to it further refined my world view.

I used Deepseek again to help bundle up my thoughts and I asked it to create the following post for me. Please enjoy reading

A Survivalist’s Take on Consciousness: Why Your Ego is Just a Tool (and You’re Not Even Real)

Let’s cut the abstract fluff. After years of overthinking, psychedelic trips, and arguing with nihilists, here’s a brutally simple framework for understanding existence. It answers two questions: Why do we suffer? and Why does nothing feel like it matters?

The 4 Layers of Reality​

1. Layer 1: Monke Brain
   • What it is: Primal wiring screaming “EAT, FUCK, SURVIVE.” Pleasure = survival green light. Pain = survival red flag.
   • Example: You binge Netflix instead of working? That’s Layer 1 hijacking your dopamine buttons. Ooga booga.
2. Layer 2: The Ego
   • What it is: A Frankenstein of genetics, trauma, experiences, and environmental factors. It’s the character you play to navigate society.
   • Example: “I’m a vegan artist who loves NFTs” is just Layer 2 trying to optimize survival (status, belonging, cash).
3. Layer 3: The Observer
   • What it is: The silent CEO in your head. It doesn’t do anything—it just watches Layer 1 and 2 duke it out.
   • Example: When you feel guilt for skipping the gym, that’s the Observer noting “Huh, your ego said ‘get fit,’ but monke brain won.”
4. Layer 4: The Game
   • What it is: Pure awareness. You’re not the player (ego) or the urges (monke)—you’re the screen the game runs on. Death? Just unplugging the controller.

Why Suffering Isn’t a Bug​

• Unavoidable suffering (cancer, breakups): Your survival system yelling “FIX THIS.”
• Intentional suffering (diets, 9-to-5 grind): Layer 2’s gamble to trade pain now for pleasure later.
• Meaningless suffering (doomscrolling, toxic relationships): Layer 1 and 2 colluding to sabotage you.

“So Life Has No Meaning?”​

Correct. But here’s the plot twist: Your ego’s job is to gaslight you into thinking it does. “Purpose” is just a story to keep you from yeeting yourself into traffic (which Layer 1 would never allow anyway).

• Art, love, spirituality? Fancy survival tactics. Dopamine with extra steps.
• Existential dread? The Observer noticing the ego’s stories are bullshit.

Why This Liberates You​

1. You’re not your failures (or your cringe Twitter takes). That’s just Layer 2 glitching.
2. Happiness = aligning Layer 1 and 2. Feed the monke, but let the ego invest in tomorrow.
3. Death isn’t real. You’re the ocean, not the wave.

Criticisms I’ve Already Pre-Dismissed​

• “This is nihilism!” → Nope. Nihilists starve their monke brain. I say indulge it—just strategically.
• “You ignore spirituality!” → Layer 4 is spirituality. You’re literally God LARPing as a Redditor.
• “What about altruism?” → Helping others = tribal survival. Congrats, you’re a Darwinian saint.
• 'This is Hedonism!'" — Cool, but you’re missing the point. Hedonism is the floor, not the ceiling. Yes, Layer 1 (monke brain) wants to guzzle Cheetos and doomscroll TikTok forever. But Layer 2 (ego) and Layer 3 (observer) exist to ask: “At what cost?”
• Hedonism 101: “Eat, fuck, nap, repeat.”
• This Model: “Eat, fuck, nap—but also build a life where you can eat better*, fuck* safer*, and nap* longer*.”*

The difference? Strategic hedonism.

• The ego delays gratification (e.g., grinding at work) to maximize pleasure long-term.
• The observer stops you from overcorrecting into misery (e.g., “Why am I working 80 hours for a Tesla I’ll hate myself in?”).

Hedonism alone is a monkey overdosing on dopamine. This framework is the monkey learning to farm bananas. Still a monkey, but now with options.

TLDR: Calling this “hedonism” is like calling evolution “just random shit happening.” Technically true, but missing the goddamn wonder.

Discuss: Is the Observer just another story? Does this model make depression easier or harder? Can we game Layer 4? (Spoiler: No, but the attempt is fun.)

Disclaimer: I’m not a philosopher. I’m a monke with a WiFi connection.

THIS IS ME AGAIN

I truly think hedonism is the bedrock of philosophy and human existence as we know it. Hedonism isnt the purpose of life of course because humans are more intelligent than that but hedonism is what EVERYTHING else is built off of.

 

[White_Bwoi]

I had similar situation with this 'perfect' girl a while back. She was totally there for me etc, but was a bit 'autistic', something was too perfect & I probably deep down hate myself and probably a narcissist so I pushed her away. But NGL I wasn't head over heels for her either but, the point is there is also an element of clingy behavior that people find repulsive. It's the same with simps / nice guys, so another layer to that.

 

[White_Bwoi]

Dragon's I'll read that happily later, good stuff