Should I do lateral raises as the first exercise on my push day to prioritize getting a wider frame?

[persiacell]

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[Sceptical]

why the fuck would you waste your energy reserves on an isolated movement first

 

[alphamale82]

why the fuck would you waste your energy reserves on an isolated movement first

to prioritize growth. are you retarded?

 

[alphamale82]

yes but dont forget a wide frame isnt only your mid delt, its the back and the entirety of the shoulder too that contributes to the look. looking wide is mostly an illusion anyway

 

[persiacell]

why the fuck would you waste your your energy reserves on an isolated movement first

I mean every mans main goal in the gym should be getting wider and arent lateral raises the best way to get wider? so doesnt it make sense to do em first even if theyre an isolated movement

 

[persiacell]

yes but dont forget a wide frame isnt only your mid delt, its the back and the entirety of the shoulder too that contributes to the look. looking wide is mostly an illusion anyway

yea ur right I noticed alot of frame growth when my lats got bigger. but like on push day is there any other exercise other than lateral raises that I should do at first to get wider?

 

[alphamale82]

yea ur right I noticed alot of frame growth when my lats got bigger. but like on push day is there any other exercise other than lateral raises that I should do at first to get wider?

up to you but i would start out push days with a seated & back supported shoulder press with a wide grip. similar mid delt activation to lateral raises with the added bonus of the front delt. it’s what i used to do

 

[persiacell]

up to you but i would start out push days with a seated & back supported shoulder press with a wide grip. similar mid delt activation to lateral raises with the added bonus of the front delt. it’s what i used to do

alright so I should basically start out with the shoulder exercises on push day

 

[alphamale82]

alright so I should basically start out with the shoulder exercises on push day

yes
same thing with back on pull

 

[persiacell]

yes
same thing with back on pull

thanks for the advice man

 

[Sceptical]

I mean every mans main goal in the gym should be getting wider and arent lateral raises the best way to get wider? so doesnt it make sense to do em first even if theyre an isolated movement

you can do your compound lifts first that still indirectly target your shoulders and then throw in lat raises in between or end. im only saying this cuz the thread title said push day. you can train how you like but if your primarily goal is getting wider frame then have a separate shoulder day in which you can load more intensity and volume.

 

[nik.077]

who does ppl in 2026... literally worst split after bro split

 

[persiacell]

you can do your compound lifts first that still indirectly target your shoulders and then throw in lat raises in between or end. im only saying this cuz the thread title said push day. you can train how you like but if your primarily goal is getting wider frame then have a separate shoulder day in which you can load more intensity and volu

what if I wanna stick to ppl

 

[persiacell]

who does ppl in 2026... literally worst split after bro split

explain

 

[Sceptical]

what if I wanna stick to ppl

no one is stopping you

 

[nik.077]

explain

frequency is very important you just dont have that with PPL. if you do PPL R repeat you dont even hit the muscle 2x per week on average which is pretty bad

 

[persiacell]

frequency is very important you just dont have that with PPL. if you do PPL R repeat you dont even hit the muscle 2x per week on average which is pretty bad

huh? if u do ppl r ppl u literally hit the muscle twice a week

 

[nik.077]

huh? if u do ppl r ppl u literally hit the muscle twice a week

week 1: PPL R PPL
week 2 : R PPL R PP (no L)
week 3 L R PPL R P (no pull)
week 4 PL R PPL R (no push)

thats below 2x frequency.. read my comment. i said if you do ppl r repeat

also if you do ppl r ppl ppl r ppl… you are never fully recovering cns and in general probably ur muscles unless you have top tier programming

 

[nik.077]

huh? if u do ppl r ppl u literally hit the muscle twice a week

also youre going 6 times per week for 2x frequency?? fbeod so so much better

 

[Saint Casanova]

No. Do a heavy OHP or seated press

 

[persiacell]

week 1: PPL R PPL
week 2 : R PPL R PP (no L)
week 3 L R PPL R P (no pull)
week 4 PL R PPL R (no push)

thats below 2x frequency.. read my comment. i said if you do ppl r repeat

also if you do ppl r ppl ppl r ppl… you are never fully recovering cns and in general probably ur muscles unless you have top tier programming

oh I see. but I havent had any problems and made insanely quick gains like my friends thought im on roids cause I went from like a 60kg twig to like way bigger in a few months

 

[persiacell]

also youre going 6 times per week for 2x frequency?? fbeod so so much better

I used to do fbeod and it just doesnt fit me

 

[persiacell]

No. Do a heavy OHP or seated press

I do a heavy ohp and lateral raises

 

[Saint Casanova]

I do a heavy ohp and lateral raises

How heavy ?

 

[persiacell]

How heavy ?

yes.

 

[Saint Casanova]

yes.

Yeah if you work up to around 1.2 times body weight you’ll have big shoulders

 

[Bsd]

nice avi

 

[persiacell]

Yeah if you work up to around 1.2 times body weight you’ll have big shoulders

god damn