Should I ignore testosterone for optimal height gains?

[TeenagePharmacy]

I've been running LGD at 5mg and started 25mg Enclomiphene to avoid suppression. I think I may have bumped my test levels too high. I've noticed way more body hair, more gyno, and better libido. Problem is I'm like 5'7 at early 15. Could the excess testosterone and estrogen cause my growth plates to close early. Thoughts?

 

[MentalistKebab]

If you noticed gyno it means you definitly need to add exemestane(aromasin) to your stack or your growth plates will close early

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

If you noticed gyno it means you definitly need to add exemestane(aromasin) to your stack or your growth plates will close early

I ordered some arimidex a month ago, but it hasn't even shipped because of covid. May just add Arimistane for the time being.

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

YES STOP IT

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

I'm going to stop the Enclomiphene for now. I may start it back with an AI, though I don't know. Kinda sucks because I felt great on it.

 

[Npcdoomer]

Why are you taking roids at 15?

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

Why are you taking roids at 15?

Sarms are different than steroids in that they are very selective to bone and muscle tissue, which avoids most of the complications of roiding at a young age, such as heavily increased estrogen and sped up puberty. Since they have little to no direct effect on the brain reproductive organs, they should be pretty well tolerated. Only problem is testosterone suppression, which I experienced the opposite of.

 

[Bewusst]

Ligandrol suppresses testosterone. It‘s possible that the SARMs you‘re taking are not what they‘ve been sold as and might be actual prohormones or oral steroids.

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

Ligandrol suppresses testosterone. It‘s possible that the SARMs you‘re taking are not what they‘ve been sold as and might be actual prohormones or oral steroids.

I bought it as a powder from Science Bio, so I would be very surprised if that was the case. Pretty sure the Enclomphene kick testosterone into overdrive, since SARMs barely effect LH/FSH levels. That or the Enclomiphene was a pro, but testicular size remained the same. The SHBG lowering effects of LGD certainly didn’t help.

 

[bruh3610]

Tbh you can have high test but inhibit the estro
The SERM won’t do shit, only prevent gyno cuz it’s selective so u need ai to block out all the estro
For now take out the enclomphine if it’s making ur test too high

 

[Deleted member 2621]

I've been running LGD at 5mg and started 25mg Enclomiphene to avoid suppression. I think I may have bumped my test levels too high. I've noticed way more body hair, more gyno, and better libido. Problem is I'm like 5'7 at early 15. Could the excess testosterone and estrogen cause my growth plates to close early. Thoughts?

for 5mg you dont need the enclomiphene. It will also work in a bad way on your bones as well as lower your GH levels. If I were you Id lower the LGD dosage even more, Ive found that to be quite nice

 

[bruh3610]

for 5mg you dont need the enclomiphene. It will also work in a bad way on your bones as well as lower your GH levels. If I were you Id lower the LGD dosage even more, Ive found that to be quite nice

Not sure about enclomphine but clomiphene doesn’t affect igf1 unlike nolva

 

[Deleted member 2621]

Not sure about enclomphine but clomiphene doesn’t affect igf1 unlike nolva

Abstract 1326: Oral enclomiphene citrate lowers IGF-1 in men with secondary hypogonadism while raising testosterone: Implications for cancer prevention.

Proceedings: AACR 104th Annual Meeting 2013; Apr 6-10, 2013; Washington, DC Introduction: Lowered hGH and IGF-1 have been linked with protection from various cancers. Methods and Subjects: We determined levels of IGF-1 and pituitary hormones in men with secondary hypogonadism under treatment...

cancerres.aacrjournals.org

And Im serious about the bone thing. SARMs can be great in puberty but enclomiphine acts in a way on your bones which is not productive for your puberty. Stick to lower doses and ditch the PCT, usually a month after LGD my levels of T are back to normal anyway. At your age you should be extra careful, youre playing high stakes buddy

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

Abstract 1326: Oral enclomiphene citrate lowers IGF-1 in men with secondary hypogonadism while raising testosterone: Implications for cancer prevention.

Proceedings: AACR 104th Annual Meeting 2013; Apr 6-10, 2013; Washington, DC Introduction: Lowered hGH and IGF-1 have been linked with protection from various cancers. Methods and Subjects: We determined levels of IGF-1 and pituitary hormones in men with secondary hypogonadism under treatment...

cancerres.aacrjournals.org

And Im serious about the bone thing. SARMs can be great in puberty but enclomiphine acts in a way on your bones which is not productive for your puberty. Stick to lower doses and ditch the PCT, usually a month after LGD my levels of T are back to normal anyway. At your age you should be extra careful, youre playing high stakes buddy

I'm just worried because I took clomid for 2 months with an AI and I think I may have slowed my growth.

 

[Deleted member 2621]

I'm just worried because I took clomid for 2 months with an AI and I think I may have slowed my growth.

just dont take clomid lol. Why would u. The t increase is just on paper, it increases SHGB and acts in an estrogenic way on a big part of the body

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

just dont take clomid lol. Why would u. The t increase is just on paper, it increases SHGB and acts in an estrogenic way on a big part of the body

I din't realize that at the time, I just read the studies and assumed it would work lol.

 

[Deleted member 2621]

I din't realize that at the time, I just read the studies and assumed it would work lol.

same brotha