SKINCARE MEGATHREAD (LOOKISM)

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So much time and effort on here is focused on the exciting actives and procedures for maintaining collagen, and while that is absolutely important, maintaining skin health should be your first priority. Get a good routine down with cleansing, moisturising and protecting with SPF, then get started on including the actives.

The aim of the game here is to maximise skin hydration and minimise transepidermal water loss (TEWL). TEWL is the diffusion of water through the skin and skin hydration is the water content of the stratum corneum (the outer few layers of skin cells). When skin is damaged, TEWL increases. This makes the original issue worse as the water loss further decreases the skin barrier function and we end up in a vicious cycle. Skin without water will crack and peel, which means that the skin cells will be shed more quickly than normal. This leads to an increase in the cell production rate at the bottom layers of your epidermis. When the growth cycle is accelerated like this, the skin becomes even more compromised as the cells have not had sufficient time to fully mature and are therefore not effective at preventing water loss. Just throwing a ton of water at your skin won’t fix the issue here though, and the brick and mortar model is great at demonstrating why.

The “bricks” are corneocytes (skin cells in the stratum corneum), which contain a substance called natural moisturising factor (NMF). NMF is a complicated mixture of compounds which acts as a natural humectant (a substance which attracts and then traps water), allowing the corneocytes to remain hydrated even though they are constantly under stress from the environment. However, NMF is water soluble so it is easily leached from the corneocytes when the skin is repeatedly exposed to water. The “mortar” (lipids) consists of a mix of ceramides, free fatty acids and cholesterol which do a really good job of protecting and sealing the corneocyte to prevent the loss of NMF. So in order to prevent TEWL, we must also try to keep the lipids intact. Again, these lipids can be stripped from the skin if harsh surfactants are used or we overcleanse.

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Cleansing:

Be gentle, both in the products you use and in your technique. You’re cleaning your face, not your car engine. This is where you start to try to minimise any TEWL and keep intercellular lipids intact.

• Morning cleansing is optional. Sort of. If you’re using the big guns like tretinoin or other actives on an evening, I wouldn’t recommend skipping this step. If your moisture barrier is fucked and you’re trying to get it back into shape, then skipping this might be okay for you.
• Evening cleansing is not optional. I’m a big fan of the double cleanse method; first cleanse to get the shit from the day off your skin (including SPF which by design is difficult to take off), second cleanse to actually clean your skin. Depending on skin type, first cleanser should be an oil/balm or cream and second cleanser should be a cream or gel.
• Use a non-foaming cleanser for your second cleanse. If you feel like you can’t live without the foam, then choose one without harsh (anionic) surfactants.
• Be aware of the pH of your cleansers (the info should be available on google). Normal skin pH is anywhere from 4.5 to 5.5, a basic pH (ie above pH 7) is not your skin’s friend.
• Use a washcloth (I personally like the cheap ones best, but feel free to use microfibre). This will cleanse more effectively than using your hands alone and will give some regular, gentle physical exfoliation. Use a clean washcloth every day. Don’t wash your face daily with a scrub, nobodyneeds that much physical exfoliation. I’m also not a fan of cleansing brushes, 99% of people are way too enthusiastic with them and frankly, they’re just unnecessary.
• Cleanse with tepid water. Warm enough to be comfortable but not hot.

How to Cleanse:

• With dry hands and a dry face (very few exceptions), apply the cleanser into your skin. The amount of cleanser you use will vary depending on the product, but somewhere between a blueberry and a small raspberry should suffice.
• Massage the cleanser into the skin- you should be massaging for around 20-30 seconds. Sing Happy Birthday or recite the alphabet a couple of times if it helps.
• Soak your washcloth with fresh running water, wring it out (the cloth shouldn’t be dripping water) and use this to remove the cleanser.
• Now move onto your second cleanse. Go through the same steps as in the first cleanse. Don’t worry about the fact that your face and hands will still be damp.
• Pat your face dry with a (CLEAN!) towel. Don’t rub.

Product recommendations (cleansers suitable for a second cleanse are also suitable for a morning cleanser):

• ]Emma Hardie Moringa Cleansing Balm (1st or 2nd cleanse; all skin types; if you’re sensitive to essential oils, stay away from this one)
• The Body Shop Camomile Sumptuous Cleansing Butter (1st cleanse only; probably best for normal to dry skin)
• Jordan Samuel The After Show Treatment Cleanser (1st cleanse; all skin types)
• Pixi + Caroline Hirons Double Cleanse (1st and 2nd cleanse; all skin types)
• La Roche Posay Toleriane Dermo Cleanser (1st or 2nd cleanse; all skin types)
• Avene Eau Thermale Cleanance Cleansing Gel (2nd cleanse; best for normal to oily skins)
• Dermalogica Ultracalming Cleanser (2nd cleanse; good for all skin types; contains essential oils)
• CeraVe Hydrating Facial Cleanser (2nd cleanse; good for all skin types)
• Tata Harper Purifying Cleanser (2nd cleanse; best for oily or acneic skin)

 

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Moisturising and SPF:

This is where your choices will be dictated by your own personal skin needs. I tend to err on the side of simple and effective with moisturiser, (you can throw in the fun actives with serums and that kind of thing) if it contains the previously mentioned lipids, then it’s usually not a bad option.

• I would recommend using a moisturiser that contains SPF, if only so that you have one less step to do. If you can’t find a formula that you like that contains SPF, feel free to use a separate one.
• Your SPF should be SPF 30 at least, broad spectrum. And for a face and neck, use about half a teaspoon (it’s more than you think, actually measure it out the first few times to get an idea of how much you need).

Product recommendations:
Moisturisers:

• CeraVe. I’ve not come across any of their moisturisers that I would not recommend, just choose the one geared towards your skin type.
• Weleda Skin Food (for very dry or very irritated skin; if you’ve got that feeling of wanting to smear Vaseline all over your face, this is the product for you)
• Dr Jart+ Ceramidin Cream (for dry to very dry skin or skin that is dealing with TEWL
• Dr Jart+ Cicapair Tiger Grass Cream (for dry to very dry or irritated skin; thicker than the Ceramidin)
• First Aid Beauty Ultra Repair Cream (for normal to dry skin)
• La Roche Posay Effaclar Duo+ (for oily skin or normal skin that has issues with breakouts)
• La Roche Posay Toleriane range. Choose the best one for your skin type
• Bioderma Hydrabio Creme and Gel-Creme (for dry and normal to oily skin respectively)
• Paula’s Choice Clear Moisturiser SPF 30 (for oily skin or normal skin that has issues with breakouts)
• Kate Somerville Oil-Free Moisturiser (for oily skin)
• Kate Somerville Goat Milk Cream (dry to very dry skin, skin that has issues with breakouts; this contains lactic acid so if you’re really sensitive but want to use an AHA, this could be good for you)
• Kate Somerville Peptide K8 Power Cream (if you’re actually seeing signs of ageing this is phenomenal- if not, don’t spend $150 on this)
• Kate Somerville Nourish Daily Antioxidant Moisturiser (a great, “basic” moisturiser for almost anyone except those that are extremely dry)
• Paula’s Choice Resist Anti-Aging Super-Light Moisturizer SPF 30 (for normal to oily skin)
• Paula’s Choice Resist Skin Restoring Moisturizer SPF 50 (for normal to dry skin)

Sunscreen: If you can’t decide on an SPF product, your safest option is to go for the ones made for kids. They usually have a higher SPF and often don’t contain fragrance

• La Roche Posay Anthelios Shaka Ultra-Light SPF 50+ (I think the vast majority of people could use this, it’s a very light formula)
• La Roche Posay Anthelios Ultra Comfort Cream SPF 30 or 50 (for dry to very dry skin, you might be able to use this as a moisturiser)
• La Roche Posay Anthelios Anti Shine SPF 50+ (for oily skin)
• Heliocare. I can’t vouch for the color products, but the rest of their range is amazing. If you can get your hands on it, that is.

 

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Actives/Extras:

Retinoids:

Retinoids are a class of compounds which consists of vitamin A (retinol) and its derivatives. Retinoids are great for both acne and anti-ageing and can be found in consumer products, OTC formulations and prescription medications. The mechanism of action for retinoids is complex, but in short, they help to produce collagen, normalise keratinisation and are comedolytic (isotretinoin also reduces sebum production).

Since there are various retinoids, it can be confusing to figure out what you’re actually dealing with when reading a product’s INCI list. The main differences between retinoids is all down to how many conversions they have to go through once in the skin in order to be bioavailable. (I’m not going to mention the less common retinoids like hydroxypinacolone retinoate or ethyl lactyl retinoate here- if you know enough about skincare to know about them, you don’t need me)

• All- trans retinoic acid (or just retinoic acid) is the compound that your body can work with, it’s also known as tretinoin. Originally used to treat acne, the potential as an anti-ageing ingredient was quickly realised and now it is used for both. It is prescription only (UK, US and a good chunk of Europe), the most common brand is Retin A and is usually found in concentrations of 0.01%, 0.025%, 0.05% and 0.1%. It has a high potential for irritation but also provides the fastest effects of any topical retinoid (since there’s no conversions going on before it can get to work).
• Retinaldehyde. 1 conversion to get to retinoic acid. Less irritating, still works quickly, just not as quickly as retinoic acid.
• Retinol. 2 conversions. Even less irritating and works less quickly still. Compared to the others, it has the most evidence to support its anti-ageing ability since it’s been used the longest. Often found in concentrations of 0.3%, 0.5% and 1%, anything more claimed is almost certainly bollocks. Be aware that strong retinol formulas might be just as, if not more irritating than low concentration retinoic acid and it won’t get you to where you want to be as fast.
• Retinol esters (retinyl palmitate, retinyl propionate, etc). 3 conversions minimum. Least irritating and will take the longest to work. If you’re super super sensitive and really want to get into the retinoid game, start here. Otherwise, I’d say to start with at least a lower concentration retinol.
• There’s also adapalene (brand name Differin) which is available OTC in the US, if you’re scared of the other retinoids I’ve mentioned for anti-ageing or have acne, this could be a good option for you.

The pressure on sites like this to use tretinoin or bust is not helpful. If you want to get into prescription retinoids, that’s great, but talk to a dermatologist first, they know better than any stranger on the internet.

If you want to use retinoids, use them at night onto clean skin, start slowly (once a week) and gradually build up to using it each night. If you need to buffer it at first (ie, mix it with moisturiser or put moisturiser on top straight away), then do so. Please use SPF when you’re using retinoids (although you should be anyway).

Product recommendations: (I’m only going to be talking about consumer products here. You want prescription strength? Talk to a dermatologist; I’m also going to try to order these from most gentle to strongest- it won’t be exact, but you’ll get a rough idea)

• Alpha H Vitamin A 0.5% (retinol and retinyl propionate)
• Indeed Labs Retinol Reface (hydroxypinacolone retinoate and retinol)
• Skinceuticals Retinol 0.3 (retinol)
• The Ordinary Retinol 0.5% in Squalane (retinol)
• Zelens Power A Treatment Drops (hydroxypinacolone retinoate, retinol and retinyl palmitate)
• Kate Somerville +Retinol Vita C Power Serum (retinol)
• The Ordinary Retinol 1% in Squalane (retinol)
• SkinCeuticals Retinol 1.0 Maximum Strength Refining Night Cream (retinol)
• Paula’s Choice 1% Retinol Treatment (retinol; if you’ve never used a retinoid before and you start here, you’re going to fucking know about it. Just because it’s not prescription, doesn’t mean that it’s useless)

 

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Vitamin C:

I don’t know what the obsession with making your own vitamin C serum at home is on these sites, but I would advise against it for one very simple reason: Vitamin C is a pain in the nuts to get into a formula and have it remain useable. It’s notoriously unstable and begins to degrade on contact with water, oxygen and UV light. Unless you’re making a new batch for each use, don’t bother, just buy one. (All of this advice is assuming that you actually want your serum to work effectively- if oxidised vitamin C that does jack shit is what you’re going for, then go right ahead and don’t change a thing.

Now we’ve got that out of the way,

• Vitamin C is great for a number of reasons, it: reduces hyperpigmentation, boosts the efficacy of SPF products, stimulates collagen production and protects against environmental damage. I’d recommend using a product that contains a combination of vitamin C, vitamin E and ferulic acid to get the best results
• I’d recommend using vitamin C products on a morning directly onto clean skin due to it’s photoprotective properties.
• You’ll likely find vitamin C in a lot of skincare products that don’t advertise the inclusion of vitamin C way down the INCI list, in these cases it’s usually just in there as an antioxidant to help keep the formula stable rather than to do anything for your skin.

Product recommendations:

• The Ordinary Vitamin C Suspension 23% + HA Spheres 2% (this does feel slightly gritty initially but it rubs in easily)
• Drunk Elephant C-Firma Day Serum (nicer experience than the product from The Ordinary, but its about 12 times the price)
• Clinique Fresh Pressed Daily Booster with Pure Vitamin C 10% (this is more of a system than a standalone product but it’s great nonetheless)

Hyaluronic Acid

• A humectant which makes up a small portion of NMF but can be used to help supplement lost NMF or even just to help hydrate.
• If your skin is particularly sensitised due to going hard with the retinoids or peels, you might not be able to use certain formulas due to their pH.
• Since hyaluronic acid is such a powerful humectant, it is possible that in low humidity conditions, instead of drawing additional moisture from the air into the skin, it may draw the moisture from the lower levels of the skin, so I’d recommend putting some sort of occlusive or moisturiser on top to prevent this.
• Hyaluronic acid goes after your actives, and before moisturiser.

Product recommendations:

• The Ordinary Hyaluronic Acid 2% + B5 (great, cheap and basic hyaluronic; if you’re on a budget, this is where you want to be)
• Niod Multi Molecular Hyaluronic Complex (more expensive than the option from The Ordinary, slightly nicer texture and definitely more effective though)
• Indeed Labs Hydraluron Moisture Serum (they also have a jelly formula which I’ve not tried but I’ve heard good things about
• Jordan Samuel Hydrate Facial Serum
• Hada Labo. All of their hyaluronic acids that I’ve tried have been great.
• Drunk Elephant B-Hydra Intensive Hydration Serum

Niacinamide (also known as nicotinamide, although this term is used more in pharmaceuticals):

• Really great anti-inflammatory properties so it can be very helpful for acne or mild to moderate rosacea. There’s also some evidence that niacinamide can help increase ceramide and fatty acid levels in the stratum corneum, thereby reducing TEWL and improving the skin’s barrier function. Additionally there is some limited evidence that niacinamide can help with hyperpigmentation, although there are other ingredients that are better and have much more literature backing up their use in this area
• The traditional idea has been that vitamin C and niacinamide shouldn’t be used at the same time since they each neutralise the effects of the other and may actually be counterproductive. However this idea was based on old studies which don’t realistically reflect skin care products and usage today.
• To use niacinamide, use morning and/or evening (as directed), following the general rule of application of actives of thinnest formula to thickest.

Product recommendations
these recommendations are for niacinamide focused serums, but niacinamide is found in a ton of products so look for it on the INCI list)

• The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1%
• Alpha-H Vitamin B
• Paula’s Choice 10% Niacinamide Booster

 

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Alpha Hydroxy Acids (AHAs):

• The most commonly used AHAs are: glycolic acid, lactic acid, mandelic acid, malic acid, tartaric acid and citric acid (roughly in that order).
• Used for: exfoliation, glycosaminoglycan formation (hyaluronic acid is a glycosaminoglycan) and collagen stimulation.
• They exfoliate by interfering with the bonds between the cells of the stratum corneum, thereby reducing the amount that the corneocytes “stick together” and causing exfoliation.
• Really great for signs of ageing or just generally dull skin.
• Ultimately, any AHA will work on any skin (yes, Fitzpatrick V and VI can use glycolic too!), but if you really want to get into it, some may be a better choice than others
  • Glycolic acid- the “strongest” as it has the smallest molecular size and can penetrate the skin most deeply.
  • Lactic- good for sensitive skins and maintaining hydration.
  • Mandelic- really great on particularly oily skin
• Use immediately after cleansing either morning or evening (I personally always go with evening) and before any other “actives” (including vitamin C, if using). If you can, use an AHA daily, unless you’re particularly sensitive (either by nature or due to using other products). If you’re going hard on the retinoids, I’d lay off the AHAs for a while.
• If you shave your face, pay attention to your skin when using AHAs. If you can only use them on days you don’t shave or only once a week on the shaved areas, that’s okay.
• You should be using SPF anyway, but especially if you’re using glycolic since it causes photosensitivity.

Product recommendations:

• First Aid Beauty Facial Radiance Pads (glycolic and lactic
• The Ordinary Glycolic Acid 7% Toning Solution (glycolic)
• The Ordinary Mandelic Acid 10% + HA (mandelic)
• Biologique Recherche Lotion P50 (lactic, citric, malic and salicylic; this does not smell great, and can be a pain in the nuts to get but to me, it’s worth it)
• Pixi Glow Tonic (glycolic)
• [The Ordinary AHA 30% + BHA 2% Peeling Solution (glycolic, lactic, tartaric, citric and salicylic; this is the big guns in terms of at home chemical exfoliation products- think of it like a mask; for the love of all things holy and unholy don’t use this daily.)
• The Inkey List PHA Toner (okay, this is PHAs instead of AHAs, but I figured that this was the best place to put it; if you have dry or very dry and sensitive skin, this could be a great option

Beta Hydroxy Acid (BHA):

• There’s just one BHA, salicylic acid.
• Unlike AHAs which can only exfoliate the surface of the skin, salicylic acid can also penetrate pores and exfoliate inside them. This means that it’s particularly helpful in fighting against blackheads and whiteheads.
• If you’ve got severe cystic acne, salicylic isn’t likely to do a whole lot. However, if you just get the odd breakout and want to minimise that, salicylic could be a good option

Product recommendations:

• Paula’s Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant
• Paula’s Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Lotion Exfoliant (more moisturising formula than the liquid and feels “less harsh”; this is my personal go to if I feel like a breakout is going to pop up)
• The Ordinary Salicylic Acid 2% Solution (much cheaper than the Paula’s choice, often out of stock though)
• The Ordinary Salicylic Acid 2% Masque (this can be quite drying due to the high kaolin content even with the glycerin and squalane, if you have oily skin though it might be worth trying)

 

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Oils

I’m very much of the opinion that almost everyone can use some form of oil and it’s not something to be afraid of if you have oily skin. Oils are great to use as they prevent TEWL and can act as occlusives.

• Finding the texture and formulation that you like best can be a case of trial and error, and that’s okay.
• Good starter oils include squalane, rosehip, marula and argan oils. Squalane is particularly good if your skin is sensitised due to retinoid or other over enthusiastic active use.
• If possible, get cold pressed oils as heat degrades antioxidants (which most of these oils are full of).
• Due to their very nature, the best time to use an oil is often in the evening (unless you have incredibly dry skin and your skin can take an oil during the day, in which case, go right ahead) and it would be the final step of your routine on top of moisturiser.

Product recommendations:

• Indeed Labs Squalane Facial Oil
• The Ordinary 100% Plant-Derived Squalane (they also have a Hemi-Squalane too, which in theory should be a lighter texture but I’ve never tried it so can’t confirm
• The Inkey List Squalane
• The Ordinary 100% Organic Cold-Pressed Rose Hip Seed Oil
• The Inkey List Rosehip Oil
• The Ordinary 100% Organic Cold-Pressed Virgin Marula Oil
• Drunk Elephant Virgin Marula Luxury Facial Oil (the price is extortionate, but it does have a great texture)
• Vintner’s Daughter Active Botanical Serum (this price is even more ridiculous, and if you can’t use essential oils then this isn’t for you)[
• Clarins Blue Orchid Treatment Oil (dry or very dehydrated skin; again, contains essential oils)

Bonus product recommendations that didn’t fit anywhere else:

• Josh Rosebrook Hydrating Accelerator (a really great hydrating mist, goes particularly well underneath a hyaluronic acid)
• Dr Jart+ Ceramidin Liquid and Serum (ceramides, nuff said)
• Zelens Power D Treatment Drops (very high price tag, but these have saved my skin numerous times; if you’re trying to beat your skin into submission with massive amounts of retinoids or in clinic procedures, these might just save your ass)
• May Lindstrom The Blue Cocoon Beauty Balm Concentrate (again, big price tag, but if your skin is pissed off, this can be really helpful; ton of essential oils though so watch out if you’re sensitive to them

 

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Example Routines:

Basic Routine:

Morning

• Cleanse
• Moisturise
• SPF

Evening

• 1st Cleanse
• 2nd Cleanse
• Moisturise

Routine with extras, without retinoids (you absolutely don’t have to use all of these extras, this is just the order that it would be):

Morning

• Cleanse
• Vitamin C
• Hyaluronic Acid
• Moisturiser
• SPF

Evening

• 1s Cleanse
• 2nd Cleanse
• AHA or BHA
• Niacinamide
• Moisturiser
• Oil

Retinoid (including tretinoin) starter routine:

Morning

• Cleanse
• Moisturise
• SPF

Evening

• 1st Cleanse
• 2nd Cleanse
• Retinoid
• Wait 20-30 minutes *
• Moisturiser

* if you are struggling with using the retinoid at the beginning, you can “buffer” it. To do this, just don’t wait the 20-30 minutes before you put on your moisturiser. After your skin has built up a tolerance to the retinoid, you should be able to wait the recommended time.

After a while, you can start to slowly add in other actives one by one. You would combine the “retinoid starter routine” with the “routine with extras”. Slot the retinoid in after your second cleanse on an evening, wait 20-30 minutes and then continue with the “extras” routine. NB: If you’re using a retinoid, use the AHA or BHA on a morning (or just don’t use it at all).


PS:

• Short chain paraben esters are some of the best and most thoroughly tested preservatives we have, don’t let pseudoscience scare you away from them.
• “Natural” doesn’t mean better or safer.

 

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too long, not a molecule will be read

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Does this mean I have to stop eating McDonald's? If I do all this perfectly can I still eat McDonald's? I have heavy cystic acne but I really like the burgers there.

 

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Dnr just clean use taz and moisturizer at night clean moisturize spf in the day

 

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Does this mean I have to stop eating McDonald's? If I do all this perfectly can I still eat McDonald's? I have heavy cystic acne but I really like the burgers there.

Benzoyl peroxide for cystic acne

 

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Benzoyl peroxide for cystic acne

I use it already and don't really eat McDonald's but I do appreciate the sentiment!

 

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Skincare is all personal, depends on your skin and how you react to diet and different chemicals. Trial and error u dont need this bullshit

 

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Imagine reading this bullshit when all you really have to do is eat healthier

 

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Imagine reading this bullshit when all you really have to do is eat healthier

And rape vitamin C