Softmaxxing / semihardmaxx plan

[logmog]

So im softmaxxing to achieve hmtn/lhtn maybe mhtn because im still growing anyway:

•Tan (im working on it)

•gym and posture

•neckmaxxing

•Beard (idk if i shave it or not but my lower third is bad so ig grow it would be better)

•i need to money max and save money

•fixing my bite so ill chew equally to grow masseters muscles

•hormones maxxing

•skin maxxing naturally

•debloating ️i hope anyone can paste the best thread of debloating like thread worked for him️

im thinking about peptides too cjc and ipa tag best thread

 

[Zeekie]

We have decades of dermatological research, why the hell would you waste your time on "natural skinmaxxing", yeah drink water, eat clean and shit, but also just use copious amounts of vitamin A (retinoids), sunscreen and have clean skin (cleanser or water as needed). That's the difference between "good" skin and GREAT skin, anyone who disagrees is coping hard.

 

[logmog]

We have decades of dermatological research, why the hell would you waste your time on "natural skinmaxxing", yeah drink water, eat clean and shit, but also just use copious amounts of vitamin A (retinoids), sunscreen and have clear skin. That's the difference between "good" skin and GREAT skin, anyone who disagrees is coping hard.

In 3 weekd of using accutane i got a baby skin but i heard it not ideal for hormones especially if u r still growing
Im 21 and half an im still growing until 25 i dont want to waste that

 

[Zeekie]

In 3 weekd of using accutane i got a baby skin but i heard it not ideal for hormones especially if u r still growing
Im 21 and half an im still growing until 25 i dont want to waste that

That's the thing, accutane is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. It is by far the best solution for acne, but there's a reason why derms usually only describe it for more serious cases of acne. It can still be used if you have little acne or just want the anti-aging benefits, but usually at lower doses than dermatologically prescribed, and even then it'll have some effects.

THANKFULLY Accutane is not the only retinoid, Tretinoin is another great alternative, you also have weaker stuff which I wouldn't worry too much about unless you get too much inflammation on Tretinoin. Tretinoin is topical (applied on the skin), so there's nothing going on internally in your body. It is also pure retinoic acid, so it's the strongest thing you can get behind Accutane.

Comparatively, Tretinoin is more like a ballistic missile

 

[logmog]

That's the thing, accutane is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. It is by far the best solution for acne, but there's a reason why derms usually only describe it for more serious cases of acne. It can still be used if you have little acne or just want the anti-aging benefits, but usually at lower doses than dermatologically prescribed, and even then it'll have some effects.

THANKFULLY Accutane is not the only retinoid, Tretinoin is another great alternative, you also have weaker stuff which I wouldn't worry too much about unless you get too much inflammation on Tretinoin. Tretinoin is topical (applied on the skin), so there's nothing going on internally in your body. It is also pure retinoic acid, so it's the strongest thing you can get behind Accutane.

Comparatively, Tretinoin is more like a ballistic missile

i got it u saw my pic already in our convo bro u can take a look again

 

[Zeekie]

That's the thing, accutane is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. It is by far the best solution for acne, but there's a reason why derms usually only describe it for more serious cases of acne. It can still be used if you have little acne or just want the anti-aging benefits, but usually at lower doses than dermatologically prescribed, and even then it'll have some effects.

THANKFULLY Accutane is not the only retinoid, Tretinoin is another great alternative, you also have weaker stuff which I wouldn't worry too much about unless you get too much inflammation on Tretinoin. Tretinoin is topical (applied on the skin), so there's nothing going on internally in your body. It is also pure retinoic acid, so it's the strongest thing you can get behind Accutane.

Comparatively, Tretinoin is more like a ballistic missile

If you want a minimalist skincare routine here's what I'd recommend:

AM - Clean your face with water and use a sunscreen
PM - Use a dedicated cleanser, apply tretinoin, and optionally use a moisturizer or occlusive oil. The moisturizing part is optional given that you're using a gentle cleanser, you may get some peeling and dryness the first few weeks, but eventually your skin adapts and you won't even need that.

3 products is all you need for 99.9% perfect skin, other serums, exfoliation, etc., aren't necessary given that your diet and hydration are on point as well.

 

[Zeekie]

i got it u saw my pic already in our convo bro u can take a look again

oh ye, since you changed pfp I forgot but yeah, I still think you'd do better with tretinoin if you don't wanna use accutane

 

[jeff1234]

That's the thing, accutane is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. It is by far the best solution for acne, but there's a reason why derms usually only describe it for more serious cases of acne. It can still be used if you have little acne or just want the anti-aging benefits, but usually at lower doses than dermatologically prescribed, and even then it'll have some effects.

THANKFULLY Accutane is not the only retinoid, Tretinoin is another great alternative, you also have weaker stuff which I wouldn't worry too much about unless you get too much inflammation on Tretinoin. Tretinoin is topical (applied on the skin), so there's nothing going on internally in your body. It is also pure retinoic acid, so it's the strongest thing you can get behind Accutane.

Comparatively, Tretinoin is more like a ballistic missile

Imagine using tret when you have Tazerotene smh.

 

[Azie555]

If you want a minimalist skincare routine here's what I'd recommend:

AM - Clean your face with water and use a sunscreen
PM - Use a dedicated cleanser, apply tretinoin, and optionally use a moisturizer or occlusive oil. The moisturizing part is optional given that you're using a gentle cleanser, you may get some peeling and dryness the first few weeks, but eventually your skin adapts and you won't even need that.

3 products is all you need for 99.9% perfect skin, other serums, exfoliation, etc., aren't necessary given that your diet and hydration are on point as well.

what are the side affects of accutane i tjought it only impacted the liver a little bit but didnt know anything about the hormonal imbalances?

 

[Azie555]

Imagine using tret when you have Tazerotene smh.

Taz or Accutane

 

[Sujumh]

mate js microdose isotret also peptides do jackshit if u think ur gonna look like bojack, stop

 

[jeff1234]

Taz or Accutane

Depends on your skin condition. If it’s beyond helping then accutane is the best alternative. If your acne is mild, then Tazerotene is great.

@Copercel

 

[Azie555]

Depends on your skin condition. If it’s beyond helping then accutane is the best alternative. If your acne is mild, then Tazerotene is great.

@Copercel

my skin: Would taz have faster results? or Accutane? And which one s affects would be better at giving good skin.

 

[Azie555]

my skin: Would taz have faster results? or Accutane? And which one s affects would be better at giving good skin.

also can you rep i rep you too

 

[logmog]

Depends on your skin condition. If it’s beyond helping then accutane is the best alternative. If your acne is mild, then Tazerotene is great.

@Copercel

Wdy think about mine?

 

[Azie555]

mate js microdose isotret also peptides do jackshit if u think ur gonna look like bojack, stop

nah ima dose hgh for muscles ngl

 

[Azie555]

Wdy think about mine?

bro i know YOU ur that dude from mewtropics

 

[logmog]

mate js microdose isotret also peptides do jackshit if u think ur gonna look like bojack, stop

i don’t want to look like anyone i want to be best me

 

[logmog]

bro i know YOU ur that dude from mewtropics

yea wsp

 

[Azie555]

yea wsp

isnt there using org is a sin for that server lmao

 

[logmog]

isnt there using org is a sin for that server lmao

Huh? Idk bro what ur talking about don’t ruin the post just keep it about the subject

 

[jeff1234]

my skin: Would taz have faster results? or Accutane? And which one s affects would be better at giving good skin.

Taz can help you a lot.

 

[logmog]

Taz can help you a lot.

Wb me nigga

 

[Azie555]

Taz can help you a lot.

yeah but withw aht faster results then accutane and better skin results then accutane?

 

[jeff1234]

yeah but withw aht faster results then accutane and better skin results then accutane?

No.
Accutane is superior to it.

 

[Azie555]

No.
Accutane is superior to it.

fuck it im gonna do accutane then

 

[jeff1234]

Wdy think about mine?

Yeah you need.

 

[jeff1234]

fuck it im gonna do accutane then

But your skin is not that bad for you to use accutane.

 

[Azie555]

But your skin is not that bad for you to use accutane.

it got worser after that pic i got a few more acnes more now. Also ill be doing 30 mg

 

[Azie555]

it got worser after that pic i got a few more acnes more now. Also ill be doing 30 mg

accutane s side affevts shouldnt be that bad right? Wasnt it just affevting the liver a little?

 

[Azie555]

accutane s side affevts shouldnt be that bad right? Wasnt it just affevting the liver a little?

And its better then smoking atleast lol i quit snoking too

 

[LegendaryKennen]

also can you rep i rep you too

i will save you

 

[Azie555]

i will save you

dude your a legend

 

[Azie555]

my post rep ratio is ass rn ngl its a good thing that good people like you still exist in a world full of scum. Your a good man LegendaryKennen.

 

[Zeekie]

what are the side affects of accutane i tjought it only impacted the liver a little bit but didnt know anything about the hormonal imbalances?

Apparently it can kinda reduce growth hormone? I never bothered to research any of that cuz Accutane is not on my list of dos as of now. Accutane systematically reduces oil production in your whole body, which is why it can help greatly with acne as without oil you get no clogged pores, and no inflammatory reaction, so no acne, but as I said, that effect is systematic, so things like your joints that rely on oil to stay lubricated are also affected

 

[Zeekie]

Imagine using tret when you have Tazerotene smh.

Ye, I only recommend the stuff I've dealt with and most validated by dermatologists, does Taz blow Tret out of the water, maybe? According to looksmaxxers, but I'll be sticking to Tretinoin since that's what I got my prescription for and the one that has the largest body of research and dermatological backing.

Again, not saying tazerotene doesn't work or that's inferior, I just havent dealt with it, so I won't be recommending something that I haven't tried

 

[jeff1234]

Ye, I only recommend the stuff I've dealt with and most validated by dermatologists, does Taz blow Tret out of the water, maybe? According to looksmaxxers, but I'll be sticking to Tretinoin since that's what I got my prescription for and the one that has the largest body of research and dermatological backing.

I’m not saying tret is way worse. I just see NO point in using it when you have Tazerotene.

But yeah I would do the same in your case.

 

[Zeekie]

I’m not saying tret is way worse. I just see NO point in using it when you have Tazerotene.

But yeah I would do the same in your case.

Doing some very surface-level digging, Taz is supposed to be stronger than Tretinoin, but would you really recommend it for a non-retinoid adapted skin? (As in, a beginner to retinoids) Just to be clear, not critizing your point just curious on your point of view. I think if tretinoin doesn't fix your acne, taz is the next logical step if not accutane, or even starting with tretinoin and then jumping to tazarotene (the general recommendation is to use the strongest retinoid your skin can tolerate), but wouldn't jumping straight into taz be too much, too fast for a non-adapted skin?

 

[jeff1234]

Doing some very surface-level digging, Taz is supposed to be stronger than Tretinoin, but would you really recommend it for a non-retinoid adapted skin? (As in, a beginner to retinoids) Just to be clear, not critizing your point just curious on your point of view. I think if tretinoin doesn't fix your acne, taz is the next logical step if not accutane, or even starting with tretinoin and then jumping to tazarotene (the general recommendation is to use the strongest retinoid your skin can tolerate), but wouldn't jumping straight into taz be too much, too fast for a non-adapted skin?

You’re right about the “use the strongest retinoid your skin can tolerate” rule, but the key word is tolerate.
You can start with tret and go to Tazerotene after your skin adapt. Also you can maybe even start with a weaker Tazerotene (0.05%) which will be more effective.

 

[FoidFumbler]

Doing some very surface-level digging, Taz is supposed to be stronger than Tretinoin, but would you really recommend it for a non-retinoid adapted skin? (As in, a beginner to retinoids) Just to be clear, not critizing your point just curious on your point of view. I think if tretinoin doesn't fix your acne, taz is the next logical step if not accutane, or even starting with tretinoin and then jumping to tazarotene (the general recommendation is to use the strongest retinoid your skin can tolerate), but wouldn't jumping straight into taz be too much, too fast for a non-adapted skin?

smart to use Bakuchoil as a first starter retinol?

 

[Zeekie]

smart to use Bakuchoil as a first starter retinol?

I don't think so, Bakuchoil isn't even a retinoid to begin with, so no matter what all the marketing tells you Bakuchoil will NEVER convert into retinoic acid and activate the RAR gamma receptors of the skin (basically what retinoids do to remove wrinkles, smooth texture, reduce oil production, and acne).

If you're new to retinoids, I would honestly start with retinal, because retinol is honestly too weak unless you're using a high concentrationa and at that point just do retinal. Maybe so retinal for a couple of weeks, see how you react, if you do well and think you can step up I would do Tretinoin directly. If you don't tolerate Tretinoin I would scale down to Adapalene, if you do well on Tretinoin I would honestly either stay on it or try to move up to Tazarotene.

So an ideal progression routine would be:
Retinal → (Adapelene ←) → Tretinoin → Tazarotene .

There's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to retinoids, and it just depends on how your skin reacts. For example, I started with retinal, finished an entire bottle and then went directly into Tretinoin and worked up my usage over a couple weeks until I was using it every day, I haven't scaled up to Tazarotene and don't think I will, my skin looks great honestly, I tried downscaling to Adapelene, my texture returned pretty quickly so... Tretinoin for me it is. BUT AGAIN, your skin, your rules.

Always remember to use retinoids in the PM and use sunscreen the next day tho

 

[FoidFumbler]

I don't think so, Bakuchoil isn't even a retinoid to begin with, so no matter what all the marketing tells you Bakuchoil will NEVER convert into retinoic acid and activate the RAR gamma receptors of the skin (basically what retinoids do to remove wrinkles, smooth texture, reduce oil production, and acne).

If you're new to retinoids, I would honestly start with retinal, because retinol is honestly too weak unless you're using a high concentrationa and at that point just do retinal. Maybe so retinal for a couple of weeks, see how you react, if you do well and think you can step up I would do Tretinoin directly. If you don't tolerate Tretinoin I would scale down to Adapalene, if you do well on Tretinoin I would honestly either stay on it or try to move up to Tazarotene.

So an ideal progression routine would be:
Retinal → (Adapelene ←) → Tretinoin → Tazarotene .

There's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to retinoids, and it just depends on how your skin reacts. For example, I started with retinal, finished an entire bottle and then went directly into Tretinoin and worked up my usage over a couple weeks until I was using it every day, I haven't scaled up to Tazarotene and don't think I will, my skin looks great honestly, I tried downscaling to Adapelene, my texture returned pretty quickly so... Tretinoin for me it is. BUT AGAIN, your skin, your rules.

Always remember to use retinoids in the PM and use sunscreen the next day tho

Should I moisturize after putting retionol on ?

 

[Zeekie]

Should I moisturize after putting retionol on ?

If you feel dryness, peeling or tightness yes, but I don't think it's necessary after the retinoid adaptation phase is over. I personally don't use a moisturizer, since my skin is oily and once I adapted I don't get dry anymore, but if you have naturally dry or sensitive skin (and you're controlling for hydration and other factors) then a moisturizer may be useful.

 

[Azie555]

Apparently it can kinda reduce growth hormone? I never bothered to research any of that cuz Accutane is not on my list of dos as of now. Accutane systematically reduces oil production in your whole body, which is why it can help greatly with acne as without oil you get no clogged pores, and no inflammatory reaction, so no acne, but as I said, that effect is systematic, so things like your joints that rely on oil to stay lubricated are also affected

Do acne treatments affect insulin-like growth factor-1 serum levels? A clinical and laboratory study on patients with acne vulgaris - PubMed

Acne is a chronic inflammatory disease affecting sebaceous gland follicles. Lately, acne has considered an insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) mediated disease. Recent research demonstrated that IGF-1 levels decrease after 3 months of isotretinoin. The purpose of our study is evaluating the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

IGF-1 levels decrease after 3 months of isotretinoin.

Short-term isotretinoin treatment decreases insulin-like growth factor-1 and insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 levels: does isotretinoin affect growth hormone physiology? - PubMed

Isotretinoin therapy may have an effect on GH physiology, and further studies are needed to understand this association.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

IGF-1 and IGFBP3 levels decreased significantly after treatment (P < 0.01), while GH levels did not change.