Someone debunk this for me

[ey88]

Humans cant get parasites from eating raw meat because we have a pH of ~1.5 which is low enough to kill any parasites

This pH is most similar to scavenger animals who eat rotten meat

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

From my research it sounds like like the only way you could get parasites is if you eat something that increases your stomach pH before eating raw meat

What do you think?

 

[anthony111553]

idc tbh, i just don't like the taste

 

[Mosh12]

 

[noodlelover]

Carnivores (animals) still get Parasites and die from them.

Tape Worms, Round Worms, and Toxoplasma gondii are all examples of parasites that can survive stomach PH of humans and animals and kill them.

Animals get killed and die horrible painful deaths all the time. Living like them isn't a good idea.

Some of the prisoners of war get worms in the stomach and they reproduce in the stomach so that they fill your insides and come out your nose and mouth and ass-hole, and you physically can't get any food in because you are full of parasites and you starve.

 

[bttb]

A pH of 1.5 isn't guaranteed to kill parasites like toxoplasma gondi and taenia, but why do u wanna eat raw meat anyways, it tastes like ass

 

[vrilmaxxer]

A pH of 1.5 isn't guaranteed to kill parasites like toxoplasma gondi and taenia, but why do u wanna eat raw meat anyways, it tastes like ass

it tastes good if sourced properly

 

[R1PPer]

What does it even mean

 

[aryan mogger]

Ultra high iq to me idk Sorry

 

[R1PPer]

idc tbh, i just don't like the taste

Ngl for me it tastes almost the same

 

[Lord Shadow]

@ReasonableAdvice thoughts?

 

[marshadow]

Humans cant get parasites from eating raw meat because we have a pH of ~1.5 which is low enough to kill any parasites

This pH is most similar to scavenger animals who eat rotten meat

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

From my research it sounds like like the only way you could get parasites is if you eat something that increases your stomach pH before eating raw meat

What do you think?

Wouldn’t these parasites have outer coatings adapted to survive these PHs? Especially if their normal targets are other animals?

 

[ey88]

Tape Worms, Round Worms, and Toxoplasma gondii are all examples of parasites that can survive stomach PH of humans or animals and kill them.

I don’t think they can, it says tape worms can survive pH’s anywhere from 4-11

Humans have a much lower pH than that

 

[imontheloose]

There still are some pathogens and parasites that can survive it. You’re right that raising the pH can make it easier for them to survive tho, hence why medication can be a bit iffy at times. Also be mindful of how quickly you swallow whatever you choose to eat, raw or rotten, make sure it’s thorough enough and you aren’t overeating

 

[imontheloose]

Wouldn’t these parasites have outer coatings adapted to survive these PHs? Especially if their normal targets are other animals?

I’m pretty sure there’s a few which have cysts as their protective layer which allows them to survive it but these are such a tiny fraction of the parasites

 

[Lord Shadow]

I have no clue tbh but I know some parasites like for example anisakis larvae which can be spread to humans through raw and undercooked fish it was shown to survive in stomach acid for short periods of time, Apparently certain parasites also use mucosal protection or try to infect other areas of the digestive tract

 

[noodlelover]

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or trichinellosis. The larva enters your blood stream, reproducing and swimming around causing your face to swell up. They start burrowing into your muscle tissues, causing pain and discomfort for months or years while they swim around and burrow into different tissues, before you ultimately die.

 

[ey88]

I’m pretty sure there’s a few which have cysts as their protective layer which allows them to survive it but these are such a tiny fraction of the parasites

I have no clue tbh but I know some parasites like for example anisakis larvae which can be spread to humans through raw and undercooked fish it was shown to survive in stomach acid for short periods of time, Apparently certain parasites also use mucosal protection or try to infect other areas of the digestive tract

Stomach acid can destroy the cysts

 

[anthony111553]

Ngl for me it tastes almost the same

well that's fine, but there's a reason humans evolved this way and it wasn't cause of health

 

[ey88]

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or trichinellosis. The larva enters your blood stream, reproducing and swimming around causing your face to swell up. They start burrowing into your muscle tissues, causing pain and discomfort for months or years while they swim around and burrow into different tissues, before you ultimately die.

I understand parasites are bad

My point was that it seems impossible to get them when humans have such acidic stomach pH

 

[Lord Shadow]

Stomach acid can destroy the cysts

Nope, some are resistant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014489423000449

 

[noodlelover]

I don’t think they can, it says tape worms can survive pH’s anywhere from 4-11

Humans have a much lower pH than that

Tapeworm Infection: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Tapeworm is a parasite that lives in your intestines. Tapeworms can cause gastrointestinal symptoms. Some kinds of tapeworm infections can cause serious complications.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Tape worms can live up to 30 years in you and grow up to 30 feet long.

So you're right about tape worms surviving in 4-11, but they release enzymes that adjust the PH around them making it less acidic. That's how they survive in animals and humans.

 

[imontheloose]

Stomach acid can destroy the cysts

Mostly struggles to do so. The acid is very good at killing your typical pathogens and parasites but the cystic parasites can be tricky for it. If a parasite was to get you, it would likely be cystic, it would either survive the acid or be weakened and the larvae would make it to the intestines. The cystic parasites are only few tho

 

[Huge غرور]

Just cook ur meat nigga

 

[NORDEN SLAVORUM]

Nigga parasites are good and they can

 

[noodlelover]

Everything is fighting for survival. We have to battle our parents for resources, other humans, women, the government, scammers that want to scam us, corporations that want to scam us, viruses, beliefs and ideas that want to take us over drain us of our energy and use us to propagate themselves, social media that wants to brainwash us and make us hooked, and even parasites.

There is nothing but the constant brutal battle for survival between every life form cascading across all existence.

 

[ey88]

Carnivores (animals) still get Parasites and die from them.

We have almost 10x stronger stomach acid than most carnivores

generalist carnivore has stomach acid around 2.2 pH, humans 1.5 pH

 

[noodlelover]

We have almost 10x stronger stomach acid than most carnivores

generalist carnivore has stomach acid around 2.2 pH, humans 1.5 pH

So here's what I got from google's Ai.

The normal pH of the human stomach is acidic, ranging from 1.5 to 3.5.

The pH of a carnivore's stomach acid is typically 1 or less, which is comparable to car battery acid. This acidity is necessary to kill bacteria and pathogens in the rotting tissue that carnivores eat, and to dissolve bone and connective tissue.

So Carnivor's have a more acidic stomach than us usually (Lower PH is more acidic), and we humans are Omnivores.

The stomach pH of herbivores is typically between 3.4 and 5.9.

The average stomach pH of an omnivore is 2.9. So right in the range of humans, which are omnivores.

 

[ey88]

So here's what I got from google's Ai.

The normal pH of the human stomach is acidic, ranging from 1.5 to 3.5.

The pH of a carnivore's stomach acid is typically 1 or less, which is comparable to car battery acid. This acidity is necessary to kill bacteria and pathogens in the rotting tissue that carnivores eat, and to dissolve bone and connective tissue.

So Carnivor's have a more acidic stomach than us usually (Lower PH is more acidic), and we humans are Omnivores.

The stomach pH of herbivores is typically between 3.4 and 5.9.

The average stomach pH of an omnivore is 2.9. So right in the range of humans, which are omnivores.

Humans have a stomach acid pH of 1.5-2

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

Closest to scavengers

 

[noodlelover]

Humans have a stomach acid pH of 1.5-2

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

Closest to scavengers

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/stomach-ph

Humans stomach acid under normal conditions 1.5 - 3.5 (source above)

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-stomach-pH-mean-SE-across-trophic-groups-with-gastrointestinal-tracts_fig1_283308050

And this source (above) also showing human stomach PH to be squarely in the center of Omnivore's. More acidic than herbivores, but less acidic than carnivores.

 

[notsocommonthumb]

this is not true . done

 

[ey88]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/stomach-ph

Humans stomach acid under normal conditions 1.5 - 3.5 (source above)

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-stomach-pH-mean-SE-across-trophic-groups-with-gastrointestinal-tracts_fig1_283308050

And this source (above) also showing human stomach PH to be squarely in the center of Omnivore's. More acidic than herbivores, but less acidic than carnivores.

Fasted pH is what matters

From your source, “In healthy subjects, the stomach pH ranges from 1.0 to 2.5 (fasted)”

Average that at 1.75 and you get almost identical to that of a facultative scavenger

 

[noodlelover]

@ey88

Ok. So humans are in the PH range of both omnivor's and generalist carnivors. Generalist carnivores are animals like wolves that feed on small prey.

But we are much larger than wolves, so with our PH level, imho we're more likely to be omnivores because we need to consume much more food than wolves.

 

[noodlelover]

@ey88

Black Bears have 1-2 stomach PH when eating and have a similar body size to humans and a similar stomach PH to humans. I think eating PH is what we want to look at because that's when the stomach is more acidic to break down food.

They are Omnivores.

But because PH levels overlap between some carnivores as well as omnivores we can't look at PH alone to determine if we are omnivore or carnivore.

We have to look at teeth, we have Omnivore teeth.

And also digestive track length. Humans have a longer digestive track which would suggest we are omnivores. Plants take longer to break down, so Omnivors need a longer digestive track.

 

[ey88]

@ey88

Black Bears have 1-2 stomach PH when eating and have a similar body size to humans and a similar stomach PH to humans. I think eating PH is what we want to look at because that's when the stomach is more acidic to break down food.

They are Omnivores.

But because PH levels overlap between some carnivores as well as omnivores we can't look at PH alone to determine if we are omnivore or carnivore.

We have to look at teeth, we have Omnivore teeth.

And also digestive track length. Humans have a longer digestive track which would suggest we are omnivores. Plants take longer to break down, so Omnivors need a longer digestive track.

Yeah we can eat anything really

But my point was about parasites

 

[noodlelover]

@ey88

Co-pilot (ai) says I don't know what I'm talking about with body size, and it's not a factor, for stomach acidity.

But when we look at stomach PH, combined with teeth, combined with digestive track length, we see that we humans are omnivores.

 

[ey88]

@ey88

Co-pilot (ai) says I don't know what I'm talking about with body size, and it's not a factor, for stomach acidity.

But when we look at stomach PH, combined with teeth, combined with digestive track length, we see that we humans are omnivore.

I agree we are omnivores

But my point was humans have the capability to eat rotten scavenged animals such as something like a possum would do

 

[noodlelover]

I agree we are omnivores

But my point was humans have the capability to eat rotten scavenged animals such as something like a possum would do

Ok. I found another paper.

Gastric acid level of humans must decrease in the future - PMC

Proton pump inhibitors strongly inhibit gastric acid production, but digestion problems do not generally arise. We can intake almost ordinary food even after total gastrectomy. Small intestine itself can digest and absorb food using various ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We have the same stomach PH as a snake. But an animal will stay in a snake's stomach about one week breaking down, while only staying in a human stomach for about four hours.

Which is why we cook so we can digest more.

But I know your question was specifically about rotten meat. Snakes eat live animals not rotten meat. If we are talking rotten meat, Vultures eat rotten meat regularly and have a PH level just above 0. This is a hundred times stronger than a human's PH level.

So eating raw meat, we probably get parasites at about the same rate as animals that eat raw meat.

But when we start eating rotten meat, teaming with parasites we will get much more.

It's gonna be sick when they cut open Goatis's brain and see all the little worms wriggling around. It's going to be nightmarish.

 

[Entschuldigung]

You became a raw meat retard?

 

[ey88]

You became a raw meat retard?

Not really, just curious about stuff

 

[thereallegend]

Our bodies have the ability to create its own parasites. Every animal cell has this capability in order to dissolve toxicity or improve digestion.

You don’t need to eat meat to get parasites. Most carbohydrate eaters already have tapeworms. Tapeworms thrive in a high sugar environment.

 

[User28823]

bacteria are smart

if it wasn't there would be no parasites left

many parasites evolved to survive inhospitable conditions

like tapeworms

 

[ey88]

We have the same stomach PH as a snake. But an animal will stay in a snake's stomach about one week breaking down, while only staying in a human stomach for about four hours.

A big difference is that snakes swallow animals whole

I’m sure the chewing makes a big difference

 

[: 0]

Humans cant get parasites from eating raw meat because we have a pH of ~1.5 which is low enough to kill any parasites

This pH is most similar to scavenger animals who eat rotten meat

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

From my research it sounds like like the only way you could get parasites is if you eat something that increases your stomach pH before eating raw meat

What do you think?

Salmon

 

[ReasonableAdvice]

@ReasonableAdvice thoughts?

Bro summoned me.

Sorry, I've been inactive lately.

Humans cant get parasites from eating raw meat because we have a pH of ~1.5 which is low enough to kill any parasites

This pH is most similar to scavenger animals who eat rotten meat

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

From my research it sounds like like the only way you could get parasites is if you eat something that increases your stomach pH before eating raw meat

What do you think?

The whole low stomach pH thing meaning parasite protection is accurate, because otherwise we would be experiencing them naturally a lot more. ~1.5 can kill most pathogens, especially food-borne ones from raw meat. However, noodlelover was correct in referring to things such as Trichinella and tapeworms due to their acid-resistant coating adaptations, especially with their reproductive cysts or eggs so they can reach the intestines. They are also correct in outlining the fact we are not obligate scavengers - our adaptations revolve around omnivorousness with, since discovery of fire, a focus on cooked food. Due to our preference for cooked food, we are evolutionarily less reliant on stomach acidity.

It is going to be hard for you to regulate your stomach pH to keep it relatively constant simply for you to unnecessarily digest raw meat because it "tastes good". You would have to eat slowly and stay free of certain medications or illness.

Whilst we are closer to scavengers than most other omnivores/herbivores, we do not have guaranteed immunity, especially with the protective-cyst parasites I have outlined before, or things like Salmonella or C. diff bacteria. Possums, as you said, have gut glora adapted to breaking down rotten food to neutralise the toxins from the microbes them, which is something we lack, although of course you weren't suggesting we go around eating rotten food.

Pork: Taenia, Trichinella
Generally: Toxoplasma
Fish: Anisakis
Beef: Taenia

Overall, cook your meat.

 

[e.skimo]

Humans cant get parasites from eating raw meat because we have a pH of ~1.5 which is low enough to kill any parasites

This pH is most similar to scavenger animals who eat rotten meat

Obligate scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08), facultative scavengers (1.8 ± 0.27), generalist carnivore (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivore (2.9 ± 0.33), specialist carnivore (3.6 ± 0.51), hindgut herbivore (4.1 ± 0.38) and foregut herbivore (6.1 ± 0.31)

From my research it sounds like like the only way you could get parasites is if you eat something that increases your stomach pH before eating raw meat

What do you think?

Apparently, food can act as a buffer in your stomach making it less acidic, some more than others, including protein-rich foods (i.e. raw meat)

 

[Patrick Star]