Spent a working day with the CEO of a multinational insurance company, these are the tips that he gave me to reach the top [GTFIH]

[Deleted member 4416]

So let’s answer to the first question in your mind: how the fuck did I spend a working day with a CEO? Simply because my girlfriend is his daughter and I have a great relationship with him. He’s obviously in smart working due to covid so he let me spend a working day with him, and quite frankly the experience opened my eyes more than 3 years of Uni.


Now let’s answer the second question before moving on:
Wtf does he actually do when he works and how he acts? I’m going to be very short here: prominent people from various sectors of the company (Marketing, team management, ..) tell him the most important problem for the day and he suggests (not to say forces) the step to follow, he’s constantly updated about every single important thing that happens, he has a personal secretary that tells him his daily schedule and solves all his personal life problems (taxes, transport tickets, arranges meetings..). I could write a wall of text about this part but I don’t wanna shift the attention too much.


Last FAQ: what’s his behaviour? He never raises his voice, he’s the fucking CEO so he knows everyone listens and stays quiet when he talks so he doesn’t need to. He’s very very polite and treats everyone with respect, same reasons. He’s very motivating and tries to have conversations with everyone.


TIPS:


- learning another language other than English is borderline useless from a company that is trying to hire you perspective: if you’re not a native English speaker just become extremely advanced in English and you’re more than good. Time can be better spent elsewhere.

- The best things that you should be studying right now apart from your current degree are:
• project management: he simply suggested to follow a lot of online courses about this, learn how to analytically structure a project, timelines, deadlines, small steps, big steps, coordinating your team should be your priorities;
• data analysis: covid skyrocketed the requirement for data analysis experts simply because it killed physical marketing. So with online marketing user’s data and the ability to extrapolate important information from it became fundamental. Here he suggests to check for courses organised from universities since it’s a more advanced and heavy topic.
• A.I: pretty much the same reasoning that’s behind data analysis. Make sure to at least get a general idea about it.

- Getting in the best of the best universities is extremely important: he literally said that he doesn’t look for people in universities that aren’t top 1/2 in my county;

- During your first working year you should get in a prominent company (He actually said a specific company type but I forgot the exact word, will ask him) that will treat you like a slave but you will literally learn everything and get exceptional work ethic if you can make it alive. After that year virtually every company will hire you and give you lots of money.

- For his specific sector: management engineering > economics if both universities are on the same level. The ideal is:
3 years uni: mechanical engineering or any analytical-heavy degree
MSc: management engineering
All while studying English, A.I., project management and data analysis on your own.

- Masters are a waste of time and money, you better work and get actual practical experience during that time frame.

That’s all (for now).

 

[redhandsbluehands]

did not read tales from op's schizophrenic mind from the Pennhurst lunatic asylum, Pennsylvania

 

[Acnno]

 

[St. Wristcel]

her

 

[Deleted member 4416]

Jfl, corrected

 

[Patient A]

So let’s answer to the

stopped reading from there

 

[Deleted member 275]

sounds legit tbh. But this path will mostly lead to becoming a well paid, but overworked wageslave.

It's not a revolutionary idea that working 60 hours/week for a decade in the right things, makes you end up somewhere well-paid and respected. At some point you're going to have to 'ascend' and become a CEO or cut your working hours in half while still maintaining the status/money. And hoping the sacrifice of your twenties+early thirties was worth it.

 

[Deleted member 5634]

What about doing specialization course on ur field instead of masters?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Is Energy / Process Technology a good field to study?

 

[Deleted member 4416]

sounds legit tbh. But this path will mostly lead to becoming a well paid, but overworked wageslave.

It's not a revolutionary idea that working 60 hours/week for a decade in the right things, makes you end up somewhere well-paid and respected. At some point you're going to have to 'ascend' and become a CEO or cut your working hours in half while still maintaining the status/money. And hoping the sacrifice of your twenties+early thirties was worth it.

I have to agree with you on that, that being said seeing him being absurdly respected every time he talks, having a personal secretary, knowing the most influential and powerful people of my region, infinite status etc.. it was impossibile not to be motivated and fascinated by that type of life, but that’s only if you actually make it to CEO..

 

[Deleted member 4416]

What about doing specialization course on ur field instead of masters?

Elab and I will answer

 

[Deleted member 4416]

Is Energy / Process Technology a good field to study?

Yes, it will definitely grow in the future. As a general rule, if you decide to do a specialisation degree in energy engineering, a master in an economics field will definitely be useful (he talked about masters being useless only if you graduate in economics/management engineering and then take a master in an economics field). I’ve talked with another powerful/successful person and he has a friend who has a degree in electronic engineering and then got a master in economics and said that it was worth it because it gave him both analytical and economical/practical points of view

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Yes, it will definitely grow in the future. As a general rule, if you decide to do a specialisation degree in energy engineering, a master in an economics field will definitely be useful (he talked about masters being useless only if you graduate in economics/management engineering and then take a master in an economics field). I’ve talked with another powerful/successful person and he has a friend who has a degree in electronic engineering and then got a master in economics and said that it was worth it because it gave him both analytical and economical/practical points of view

Agree especially ecofriendy energy & process technology will grow because of all the environmental Laws here in EU

What degree is better?
Energy / Process Technology B.Sc.

Energie- und Prozesstechnik

www.tu.berlin

Or
Computer Science B.Sc + Robotics & AI M.Sc.

Robotics, Cognition, Intelligence - Master of Science (M.Sc.) - TUM

www.tum.de

Overall i am interested in automation and processes but what do you think is better?

 

[Deleted member 4416]

Agree especially ecofriendy energy & process technology will grow because of all the ecological Laws here in EU

What degree is better?
Energy / Process Technology B.Sc.

Energie- und Prozesstechnik

www.tu.berlin

Or
Computer Science B.Sc + Robotics & AI M.Sc.

Robotics, Cognition, Intelligence - Master of Science (M.Sc.) - TUM

www.tum.de

Overall i am interested in automation and processes but what do you think is better?

You’re asking me a million dollar question but I will try to answer anyway.
Since both are very profitable and very future-oriented (the are definitely going to be some of the biggest growing sectors in the foreseeable future) I’m actually going to say that you should go into the one you are mostly passionate about because at the end of the day part of your success is going to be heavily influence by the amount of passion that you have (so that you will be able to study/work more than anyone else while not burning out). That being said, the second option is going to give you a wider arrange of work opportunities while the first one is definitely narrower. From a personal experience I like energy stuff (I’m a mechanical engineer Bsc going to switch to management engineering for msc) more than CS/automation and imo for the second option you really have to be insanely passionate and actually even talented in a sense, but if you are, I’d go for the second. That being said a random person on looksmax can’t make the most important choice in your life for you, so think about carefully and good luck

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

Should've been my guidance counselor

 

[obhmwtsg]

top unis in EU?

 

[Deleted member 6186]

In other words just go to a really good uni and don't fucking major in Foid Studies. The rest will sort itself out so your career doesn't suck.

Thats why your fate is pretty much decided at 18.

 

[Deleted member 275]

What are really good unis for us non UK/US ppl though. I don't think there's a quality difference between dutch unis for example. They are all the same.

 

[Deleted member 6873]

what about my art study

 

[Deleted member 6186]

What are really good unis for us non UK/US ppl though. I don't think there's a quality difference between dutch unis for example. They are all the same.

This is only my experience but for Dutch unis, every person dutch person I saw who was in a good job came from

Maastricht University
Erasmus University Rotterdam

Of course this is only a business world perspective. Im sure Amsterdam Uni probably has a lot of good ppl.

The best way to find out which unis are good is to see which ones have the most alumni in top firms like Mckinsey, Goldman Sachs etc

Anyone from the Netherlands wanna comment?

 

[Hector]

What are really good unis for us non UK/US ppl though. I don't think there's a quality difference between dutch unis for example. They are all the same.

Same in Spain, I go to a uni which the degree I an studying is TOP in Europe, like we know the double of the majority of x profesional leaving from other european and american college, because here is focused on the two main things while abroad just focus on one.

Thats what I heard searching lot of info, the bad thing in Spain socialdemocrats fucked up the job market and the odds are I will work abroad.

IMO in most EU the uni you go is not that important like in USA

 

[Deleted member 2634]

Why did i forget to graduate in the top university in my country

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

What are really good unis for us non UK/US ppl though. I don't think there's a quality difference between dutch unis for example. They are all the same.

In Germanic countries its LMU,Mannheim,HSG,ETH Zurich - > TUM,KIT,TUB - > rest

 

[Alt Number 3]

R U ENGINEER? I AM TOO TBH. WHAT BRANCH? IM IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING BUT IM BOUT TO KMS

 

[Gonthar]

he has a personal secretary that tells him his daily schedule and solves all his personal life problems (taxes, transport tickets, arranges meetings..).

Does he bang his secretary, do most CEOs do it, or is this just a myth?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

R U ENGINEER? I AM TOO TBH. WHAT BRANCH? IM IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING BUT IM BOUT TO KMS

Same in Spain, I go to a uni which the degree I an studying is TOP in Europe, like we know the double of the majority of x profesional leaving from other european and american college, because here is focused on the two main things while abroad just focus on one.

Thats what I heard searching lot of info, the bad thing in Spain socialdemocrats fucked up the job market and the odds are I will work abroad.

IMO in most EU the uni you go is not that important like in USA

You’re asking me a million dollar question but I will try to answer anyway.
Since both are very profitable and very future-oriented (the are definitely going to be some of the biggest growing sectors in the foreseeable future) I’m actually going to say that you should go into the one you are mostly passionate about because at the end of the day part of your success is going to be heavily influence by the amount of passion that you have (so that you will be able to study/work more than anyone else while not burning out). That being said, the second option is going to give you a wider arrange of work opportunities while the first one is definitely narrower. From a personal experience I like energy stuff (I’m a mechanical engineer Bsc going to switch to management engineering for msc) more than CS/automation and imo for the second option you really have to be insanely passionate and actually even talented in a sense, but if you are, I’d go for the second. That being said a random person on looksmax can’t make the most important choice in your life for you, so think about carefully and good luck

Can you recommend "Business Psychology" major?

Im it you learn fundamental accounting skills aswell as Market & Advertising Psychology and Communication

 

[Deleted member 4416]

R U ENGINEER? I AM TOO TBH. WHAT BRANCH? IM IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING BUT IM BOUT TO KMS

YES.
I’m about to get my BSc in mechanical engineering in the top uni in my country, but I will switch to management engineering for the MSc cause I’m more passionate about management/economics plus I have him as a huge helping hand even in the working world.

Can you recommend "Business Psychology" major?

Im it you learn fundamental accounting skills aswell as Market & Advertising Psychology and Communication

I’m sorry but I can’t help you on that, I didn’t research it enough

 

[Deleted member 4416]

What are really good unis for us non UK/US ppl though. I don't think there's a quality difference between dutch unis for example. They are all the same.

Check rankings online

 

[$tackThatMoney]

So let’s answer to the first question in your mind: how the fuck did I spend a working day with a CEO? Simply because my girlfriend is his daughter and I have a great relationship with him. He’s obviously in smart working due to covid so he let me spend a working day with him, and quite frankly the experience opened my eyes more than 3 years of Uni.


Now let’s answer the second question before moving on:
Wtf does he actually do when he works and how he acts? I’m going to be very short here: prominent people from various sectors of the company (Marketing, team management, ..) tell him the most important problem for the day and he suggests (not to say forces) the step to follow, he’s constantly updated about every single important thing that happens, he has a personal secretary that tells him his daily schedule and solves all his personal life problems (taxes, transport tickets, arranges meetings..). I could write a wall of text about this part but I don’t wanna shift the attention too much.


Last FAQ: what’s his behaviour? He never raises his voice, he’s the fucking CEO so he knows everyone listens and stays quiet when he talks so he doesn’t need to. He’s very very polite and treats everyone with respect, same reasons. He’s very motivating and tries to have conversations with everyone.


TIPS:


- learning another language other than English is borderline useless from a company that is trying to hire you perspective: if you’re not a native English speaker just become extremely advanced in English and you’re more than good. Time can be better spent elsewhere.

- The best things that you should be studying right now apart from your current degree are:
• project management: he simply suggested to follow a lot of online courses about this, learn how to analytically structure a project, timelines, deadlines, small steps, big steps, coordinating your team should be your priorities;
• data analysis: covid skyrocketed the requirement for data analysis experts simply because it killed physical marketing. So with online marketing user’s data and the ability to extrapolate important information from it became fundamental. Here he suggests to check for courses organised from universities since it’s a more advanced and heavy topic.
• A.I: pretty much the same reasoning that’s behind data analysis. Make sure to at least get a general idea about it.

- Getting in the best of the best universities is extremely important: he literally said that he doesn’t look for people in universities that aren’t top 1/2 in my county;

- During your first working year you should get in a prominent company (He actually said a specific company type but I forgot the exact word, will ask him) that will treat you like a slave but you will literally learn everything and get exceptional work ethic if you can make it alive. After that year virtually every company will hire you and give you lots of money.

- For his specific sector: management engineering > economics if both universities are on the same level. The ideal is:
3 years uni: mechanical engineering or any analytical-heavy degree
MSc: management engineering
All while studying English, A.I., project management and data analysis on your own.

- Masters are a waste of time and money, you better work and get actual practical experience during that time frame.

That’s all (for now).

Great thread, thank you OP.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Check rankings online

This literally just use QS Ranking website amd filter by country and subject

 

[HumidVent]

Looks > everything else.

To be a CEO you need to look like a CEO. Which means being taller than average and having a high fwhr.

Also nepotism and corruption plays a huge part at that level.

And then after that comes your actual abilities and skills.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Looks > everything else.

To be a CEO you need to look like a CEO. Which means being taller than average and having a high fwhr.

Also nepotism and corruption plays a huge part at that level.

And then after that comes your actual abilities and skills.

Yes that's why unless your chadlite+ you should not major in business/finance or soft majors like communication/marketing/psychology

As an inel quantitative STEMM is ideal, the more math the better

That's what allowed Jeff Bezos to become wealthy despite being inel

 

[oatmeal]

Looks > everything else.

To be a CEO you need to look like a CEO. Which means being taller than average and having a high fwhr.

Also nepotism and corruption plays a huge part at that level.

And then after that comes your actual abilities and skills.

too bad the work that CEOs do is pretty much a large scale version of wage extraction from workers and bargaining with the board of directors.

 

[HumidVent]

Yes that's why unless your chadlite+ you should not major in business/finance or soft majors like communication/marketing/psychology

As an inel quantitative STEMM is ideal, the more math the better

That's what allowed Jeff Bezos to become wealthy despite being inel

Also if you don't look like the stereotypical CEO you will be made fun of, like Bezos and Zuckerberg. You won't have the respect of the public

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

too bad the work that CEOs do is pretty much a large scale version of wage extraction from workers and bargaining with the board of directors.

What do you mean by wage extraction?

 

[oatmeal]

What do you mean by wage extraction?

basically the way your boss is able to profit from you is by paying you less than the value of the commodity you have put labor in to make it have a use.

this is because what they are actually paying you for is not the work you are doing. they're paying the amount least required to sustain your physical existence + the supply and demand of your labor, in exchange for your hours of work.

wages are just a unique name for buying hours of your life. it isn't different from you buying groceries for example, except in that you are selling yourself multiple times.

by the way, if your boss doesn't do this then the business fails because of competition.

 

[oatmeal]

Also if you don't look like the stereotypical CEO you will be made fun of, like Bezos and Zuckerberg. You won't have the respect of the public

I thought the stereotype was jus some old ugly ass tall dinosaur lol.

 

[eduardkoopman]

CEO = employee?
Or is he also owner??

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

CEO = employee?
Or is he also owner??

Normally the CEO is the founder or the heir, but he can also hire a COO and that way have no work

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

basically the way your boss is able to profit from you is by paying you less than the value of the commodity you have put labor in to make it have a use.

this is because what they are actually paying you for is not the work you are doing. they're paying the amount least required to sustain your physical existence + the supply and demand of your labor, in exchange for your hours of work.

wages are just a unique name for buying hours of your life. it isn't different from you buying groceries for example, except in that you are selling yourself multiple times.

by the way, if your boss doesn't do this then the business fails because of competition.

I understand, its like milking caged cows

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

basically the way your boss is able to profit from you is by paying you less than the value of the commodity you have put labor in to make it have a use.

this is because what they are actually paying you for is not the work you are doing. they're paying the amount least required to sustain your physical existence + the supply and demand of your labor, in exchange for your hours of work.

wages are just a unique name for buying hours of your life. it isn't different from you buying groceries for example, except in that you are selling yourself multiple times.

by the way, if your boss doesn't do this then the business fails because of competition.

I just realized that you are actually working for nothing in return

As an employee you provide more value than the boss pays you so you are not even a real expense to the boss since you bring in more revenue than you cost

Not only are you wasting your time on building another person's asset, you're also doing it for free as an employee

 

[oatmeal]

I just realized that you are actually working for nothing in return

As an employee you provide more value than the boss pays you so you are not even a real expense to the boss since you bring in more revenue than you cost

Not only are you wasting your time on building another person's asset, you're also doing it for free as an employee

yes. because they don't pay you for you actual work, you end up selling a few hours of your life working for free.

 

[Gazzamogga]

Slaving away for 30years for a tiny chance at becoming ceo in your 50s sounds like a suboptimal way to live your life

But I dnr

 

[Deleted member 7651]

what s the company he talked about in which you have to spend 1 year ?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

what s the company he talked about in which you have to spend 1 year ?

My guess would be top white-shoe firms

 

[sytyl]

Fully agree with doing a degree that challenges your mind through math/math related problems as well as joining a company that makes you work hard for your first year of actual work.

 

[alligatordude]

- Getting in the best of the best universities is extremely important: he literally said that he doesn’t look for people in universities that aren’t top 1/2 in my county;

reach the top by going to a top university to work for ur ceo guy

ok

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Fully agree with doing a degree that challenges your mind through math/math related problems as well as joining a company that makes you work hard for your first year of actual work.

Its amazing how the old advice still applies today : Medicine,Law,Banking/Finance,Engineering/CS

 

[Deleted member 5292]

This guy is an idiot. Why would i study mechanical engineering if i want to do finance or economics? Your path depends on the industry you want to work, there is no single career suitable for any objective.

 

[Deleted member 5292]

And dont tell me because of math, because math, physics or stats have more math than mechanical engineering.