Square jaw maxxing

[5.5psl]

What do you guys think can this jaw be achieved through surgeries if someone doesn't has this sharp jaw ?

Wide chin + flared gonions
Some work at the chin with genio/chin implants/fillers for a wider and a more stronger looking chin and at the jaw with jaw angle implants/wrapround jaw implant / jaw fillers

@VladimirtheGreat @VenatorLuparius @thecel

 

[Deleted member 28904]

By implants or fillers depending on your starting situation

 

[Deleted member 28904]

So yes

 

[Deleted member 29167]

yeah but it'd be hard to not look uncanny. dont wanna get bogged

 

[Deleted member 29511]

via Wolff's law theory

 

[Rate_My_Face]

who even is this dude? why do i see him so much here?

 

[Bewusst]

His mandible isn't even wide. You can definitely get the gonial flare via surgery, implants or fillers, but the sunken cheeks also depend on your diet and genetics

 

[5.5psl]

who even is this dude? why do i see him so much here?

Sam dezz

 

[Deleted member 29167]

who even is this dude? why do i see him so much here?

he's strong chadlite-chad and is dating a stacy (brooke monk)

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

What do you guys think can this jaw be achieved through surgeries if someone doesn't has this sharp jaw ?
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Wide chin + flared gonions
Some work at the chin with genio/chin implants/fillers for a wider and a more stronger looking chin and at the jaw with jaw angle implants/wrapround jaw implant / jaw fillers

@VladimirtheGreat @VenatorLuparius @thecel

there is no side pic...but my guess he dosnt have recessed maxilla(thats first thing you need to adress)...his gonials are achievable with implants...but you wont have thoose hollow cheeks without good cheekbones like he has...with genio you can push your chin vertical or horizontal depend what you need...you can also get chin more wider with genio(of course not to much)

So the point is to have this look,before you adress jaw..you need to evalue your recession(to not end up like most of eppley patients) and cheekbones,lower body fat...

 

[rand anon]

there is no side pic...but my guess he dosnt have recessed maxilla(thats first thing you need to adress)...his gonials are achievable with implants...but you wont have thoose hollow cheeks without good cheekbones like he has...with genio you can push your chin vertical or horizontal depend what you need...you can also get chin more wider with genio(of course not to much)

So the point is to have this look,before you adress jaw..you need to evalue your recession(to not end up like most of eppley patients) and cheekbones,lower body fat...

Yeah was gonna say something akin, without good zygos it’s likely to look uncanny

 

[Deleted member 15539]

Well done Implants + Low BF% and if that does not Suffice Buccal fat removal.

Keep in mind its a candid

 

[VenatorLuparius]

It is totally possible but the limiting factor is always the skull/temple width.

You can only go up to 90% or slightly above of cheekbones width without looking botched.

Flared gonions are the most important part. A lot of guys here already have them but they lack a bit of width so fillers should be enough in this case. However if you're a narrojawcel with inward gonions such as myself then jaw implants are inevitable.

After searching and debating this subject for an extended period of time, I tend to think that fillers give the more natural result but they only make sense if you don't need them in high volume (less than 5ml). If you need more than 5ml just go for implants and don't cheap out on the surgeon and the design.

 

[salvation]

there is no side pic...but my guess he dosnt have recessed maxilla(thats first thing you need to adress)...his gonials are achievable with implants...but you wont have thoose hollow cheeks without good cheekbones like he has...with genio you can push your chin vertical or horizontal depend what you need...you can also get chin more wider with genio(of course not to much)

So the point is to have this look,before you adress jaw..you need to evalue your recession(to not end up like most of eppley patients) and cheekbones,lower body fat...

Maxilla doesn't really matter that much imo, Robert Pattinson has a flat midface and still hollow cheeks (in the right lighting). Sam Dezz midface doesn't look that forward grown either + he has a noticable antegonial notch.

He has a wide jaw with flared gonions + high mass cheekbones. The antegonial notch makes his gonions look even more flared. Hexum has the same.

Low body fat % as well (and maybe buccal fat removal). Although I do think he frauds a bit (like almost everyone does tho)


I think jaw implants can work but one big problem with them is that you can't always reliably predict how it will end up looking because of soft tissue. Especially because of skin thickness + masseter position. Another potential problem is if you add to much verticality. If you have a short ramus/ high gonial angle you sort of need to lower it to get more angularity, think Robert Pattinson. But from what I remember (a guy here reported that problem few years ago) if you lengthen the ramus too much the masseter (which is attached in that area) can sort of dislocate (I think it was called something like masseter tendon (strain)) and you need to have it reattached.

Some people also end up looking a bit bloated. I have found an image here on the forum a while ago that tried to describe why this occurs but I've personally found it hard to agree with it since it's hard to tell how much lateral width was added, how tall their ramuses are, (+ shitty beard covering the jawline etc.)

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

Maxilla doesn't really matter that much imo, Robert Pattinson has a flat midface and still hollow cheeks (in the right lighting). Sam Dezz midface doesn't look that forward grown either + he has a noticable antegonial notch.

He has a wide jaw with flared gonions + high mass cheekbones. The antegonial notch makes his gonions look even more flared. Hexum has the same.

Low body fat % as well (and maybe buccal fat removal). Although I do think he frauds a bit (like almost everyone does tho)


I think jaw implants can work but one big problem with them is that you can't always reliably predict how it will end up looking because of soft tissue. Especially because of skin thickness + masseter position. Another potential problem is if you add to much verticality. If you have a short ramus/ high gonial angle you sort of need to lower it to get more angularity, think Robert Pattinson. But from what I remember (a guy here reported that problem few years ago) if you lengthen the ramus too much the masseter (which is attached in that area) can sort of dislocate (I think it was called something like masseter tendon (strain)) and you need to have it reattached.

Some people also end up looking a bit bloated. I have found an image here on the forum a while ago that tried to describe why this occurs but I've personally found it hard to agree with it since it's hard to tell how much lateral width was added, how tall their ramuses are, (+ shitty beard covering the jawline etc.)

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The first man did cheekbones and jaw implant with eppley....and second man did only jaw implants...that could be one of reason why second man looks more bloated....he lacks cheekbone mass

 

[Guba]

he's strong chadlite-chad and is dating a stacy (brooke monk)

lol she's not a stacy. Have you seen her without makeup? No more than HTB. The guy is clearly better looking.

 

[Deleted member 29167]

lol she's not a stacy. Have you seen her without makeup? No more than HTB. The guy is clearly better looking.

first of all there are no "stacies" without makeup.

and second, some girls have faces more suited for makeup, brooke monk is one of them

when the girls that look good without makeup put on makeup they usually get mogged by girls like brooke who have faces more suited for it.

basically brooke looks like shit without makeup, but REALLY good with makeup

and "natural" girls look good without makeup, but only a little bit better with makeup

 

[Guba]

first of all there are no "stacies" without makeup.

and second, some girls have faces more suited for makeup, brooke monk is one of them

when the girls that look good without makeup put on makeup they usually get mogged by girls like brooke who have faces more suited for it.

basically brooke looks like shit without makeup, but REALLY good with makeup

and "natural" girls look good without makeup, but only a little bit better with makeup

So a man without makeup, obviously, can be a chad, but a woman without can't be a stacy? Isn't this a glitch in the rating system? I get it, we're so used to seeing women with makeup to the point that it's often strange seeing them without it. But can't we get past this conditioning to rate women more objectively on their natural appearance? What about two hundred years ago when almost no woman wore makeup. Were there no stacies back then? Because surely chads existed. Or do you think women may be physically simply inferior to men?

 

[Deleted member 29167]

So a man without makeup, obviously, can be a chad, but a woman without can't be a stacy? Isn't this a glitch in the rating system? I get it, we're so used to seeing women with makeup to the point that it's often strange seeing them without it. But can't we get past this conditioning to rate women more objectively on their natural appearance? What about two hundred years ago when almost no woman wore makeup. Were there no stacies back then? Because surely chads existed. Or do you think women may be physically simply inferior to men?

by todays standard no there werent any "stacies" back then. rating girls without makeup is kinda dumb considering you only see them with the makeup. girls like brooke monk are stacy because she looks extremely good with makeup, and realistically when does she not wear makeup?

 

[Guba]

by todays standard no there werent any "stacies" back then. rating girls without makeup is kinda dumb considering you only see them with the makeup. girls like brooke monk are stacy because she looks extremely good with makeup, and realistically when does she not wear makeup?

A lot of women go around not wearing makeup, though, or just wearing a minimal amount. Of course she's a celebrity whose claim to fame is largely her appearance and other such superficial things, but still. Anyway, I get your point, but this just means that the rating system is fundamentally broken if men and women are held to different standards. Anyway, makeup is such witchcraft.

 

[Deleted member 29167]

A lot of women go around not wearing makeup, though, or just wearing a minimal amount. Of course she's a celebrity whose claim to fame is largely her appearance and other such superficial things, but still. Anyway, I get your point, but this just means that the rating system is fundamentally broken if men and women are held to different standards. Anyway, makeup is such witchcraft.

yeah i agree the ratings are kinda fucked, ideally women shouldn't wear makeup at all but they cant really do that today.

in a few years men will start wearing makeup too, i predict that this forum will have a makeupfrauding guide on botb by 2025 JFL

 

[malicieusss]

Yeah was gonna say something akin, without good zygos it’s likely to look uncanny

That's why you need the zygo + jaw angle implants combo to make this work. Imagine having lots of bigonial width with flat zygo bone.

 

[rand anon]

Imagine having lots of bigonial width with flat zygo bone.

This is my issue jfl, it's why I will never be PSL 5+ without ZSO/zygo implants

 

[malicieusss]

This is my issue jfl, it's why I will never be PSL 5+ without ZSO/zygo implants

Yeah tbh I need the whole package, im probably the most downward grown user of this forum so obviously my face is pretty narrow, almost flat zygo, narrow jaw.

It's risky but I won't cheap out on the surgeon especially since I will need to bring the gonial angle down by 1.5cm, ideally 2+ which is literally something I've never seen before. The risk of masseter dehiscence is sky high (the lower you go the riskier, a good surgeon mitigates that risk)

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Yeah tbh I need the whole package, im probably the most downward grown user of this forum so obviously my face is pretty narrow, almost flat zygo, narrow jaw.

It's risky but I won't cheap out on the surgeon especially since I will need to bring the gonial angle down by 1.5cm, ideally 2+ which is literally something I've never seen before. The risk of masseter dehiscence is sky high (the lower you go the riskier, a good surgeon mitigates that risk)

Careful as to not go too low on the gonial angle. Going too low will make your jaw look blocky.

 

[madcap88]

Careful as to not go too low on the gonial angle. Going too low will make your jaw look blocky.

absolutely. i wouldnt go lower than the bottom lip. If you go lower, like to the dental roots like most suregons do, your gonians will be too close to your chin so NO sharpness and more so large blocky round jaw

large blocky jaw is better than recessed or narrow but its not ideal, which if ur going thru surgery u want ideal