[STEROID WARNING] Jon Skywalker at 31 recovering from heart failure after steroid abuse

[Rabbi]

This is a cautionary tale for uneducated teenagers pondering steroid use on this site.

He started using when he was 16/17 barely even training naturally

No doubt he was one of the most aesthetic people alive at one point, 6’4 full head of hair shredded. But he’s practically at deaths door barely passing 30. He’s got congestive heart failure most likely from cardiomegaly (enlargement of the heart) that occurs due to excess androgens remodelling the heart directly and through changes from elevated blood pressure indirectly. I’m willing to bet his kidneys are shot too.

I’m not blanket against PED’s depending on their purpose, it’s no secret that use is widespread and prolific. But I cringe a little when there are young naive kids talking about obtaining and blasting high dose roids barely having lifted whatsoever and I hope it’s just a LARP fantasy and they haven’t actually done it.

There is zero ‘safe’ ways to do steroids, there’s an inherent risk in and of itself. And yes many risks can be mitigated drastically especially through regular blood work and consult with a doctor but I doubt teenagers buying rat piss from backdoor labs are going through that effort.

Many people tell you they have no regrets and are ok with living hard/dying young. But when shit hits the fan they are begging to cling on to life.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

No joke that’s the most brutal part. I feel so bad for him Fuark man. Him and David were my ideals when I was younger

 

[jordanbarett122]

There is zero ‘safe’ ways to do steroids,

I strongly disagree with this statement. There are many many safe ways to take steroids. I’ll say why.

1. Male Testosterone has been going down consistently year after year for the past century. The way we’re going as a species, men will go extinct. Or maybe not men but the masculine essence , libido and shii

2. Enhancing your hormone levels to stupidly high unnnatural ranges like 10-15 times the average man test can put you in big trouble. But if you dose appropriately and try to get to the higher end of the reference ranges or even just a bit higher than the higher end you should be fine with little to no side effects

3. Just to cement my point, set it in stone . I’ll introduce a term called microdosing. It’s essentially acknowledging that we live in a world that is not natural and using your resources to achieve a good standard of health. Many celebrities, athletes and bodybuilders microdose because it’s hard to spot and you can avoid all to most side effects with a sensible dosage. Even though this guy gets trolled here a lot I believe you can get some ideas of how microdosing or optimizing hormones work from Connor Murphy. If you have internalized what i said you’ll realize that taking tren, doing excessive test or gh is not an option. It’s all about minimizing consequences

 

[choro]

I strongly disagree with this statement. There are many many safe ways to take steroids. I’ll say why.

1. Male Testosterone has been going down consistently year after year for the past century. The way we’re going as a species, men will go extinct. Or maybe not men but the masculine essence , libido and shii

Teach me than

 

[lms]

ok

 

[jordanbarett122]

Teach me than

Done editing, do you agree?

 

[choro]

Done editing, do you agree?

Wym if you want to teach me pm me surr

 

[Gren]

It was probably worth it, depends how many stacies he slayed.

 

[PeasantKing53]

Never take the words of someone promoting steroids too seriously. Anyone in support of roids is someone who was just recently sold on taking steroids (over staying natty) and is excited for their first cycle, or it’s someone who has been taking steroids for a while and is in denial of the inevitable pain they will face down the road creeping up on them.

The way they talk about it is almost like they’re still trying to convince even themselves that they’re worth it, they’re desperately clinging onto any shred of hope, but the truth is steroids is like selling your soul - 3-10 years of possible gains and fun (debatable, 99% still look like shit on them), but after that, an early death or the rest of your life filled with depression and lifelessness.

Imagine destroying your body and potentially losing your life just for a cope physique that doesn’t actually even look good? Lol that’s 99% of gymcels for you.

Gymcels really do live in their own world. Most women do not even find half of these physiques you see attractive, for the simple fact that they look uncanny and would never exist in nature.

Excess gym training and high rep training is very unnatural and would never occur in nature which is why their physiques look so strange looking, and only other gymcels who fell into the cope bodybuilding niche think they actually look good.

I’m starting to see a pattern in those who take steroids. They all end up in the same exact spot after 3-10 years - lifeless looking.

You also have to realize steroids are from Satan. Nothing truly good in this world has such massive caveats. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

eh Imma just stick to long term trt and chill. That is the best way for young teens to minimise risks imo.

 

[Rabbi]

I strongly disagree with this statement. There are many many safe ways to take steroids. I’ll say why.

1. Male Testosterone has been going down consistently year after year for the past century. The way we’re going as a species, men will go extinct. Or maybe not men but the masculine essence , libido and shii

2. Enhancing your hormone levels to stupidly high unnnatural ranges like 10-15 times the average man test can put you in big trouble. But if you dose appropriately and try to get to the higher end of the reference ranges or even just a bit higher than the higher end you should be fine with little to no side effects

3. Just to cement my point, set it in stone . I’ll introduce a term called microdosing. It’s essentially acknowledging that we live in a world that is not natural and using your resources to achieve a good standard of health. Many celebrities, athletes and bodybuilders microdose because it’s hard to spot and you can avoid all to most side effects with a sensible dosage. Even though this guy gets trolled here a lot I believe you can get some ideas of how microdosing or optimizing hormones work from Connor Murphy. If you have internalized what i said you’ll realize that taking tren, doing excessive test or gh is not an option. It’s all about minimizing consequences

I should probably caveat what I say, when I say there is no safe way I mean there is an inherent risk in and of itself, testosterone and testosterone based derivatives increase the risk of blood clots. Obviously the risks can be minimised but it takes a smart and experienced person to do so. My post is mostly aimed at younger guys mainly teens that browse this site.

I don’t completely disagree about the idea that testosterone on average is dropping but you have to consider it in context, that number is strictly an average, if you are non- overweight, active, 7-9 hours of sleep and eat a nutrient rich unprocessed diets chances are your levels won’t be reflective of the general population.

Most kids talking about blasting aren’t doing half of these things.

 

[jordanbarett122]

I should probably caveat what I say, when I say there is no safe way I mean there is an inherent risk in and of itself, testosterone and testosterone based derivatives increase the risk of blood clots. Obviously the risks can be minimised but it takes a smart and experienced person to do so. My post is mostly aimed at younger guys mainly teens that browse this site.

I don’t completely disagree about the idea that testosterone on average is dropping but you have to consider it in context, that number is strictly an average, if you are non- overweight, active, 7-9 hours of sleep and eat a nutrient rich unprocessed diets chances are your levels won’t be reflective of the general population.

Most kids talking about blasting aren’t doing half of these things.

Very fair point

 

[yue]

did you even read the post lol the heart attack was from ketamine

 

[Rabbi]

did you even read the post lol the heart attack was from ketamine

That’s what he thinks, he was barely using ketamine for a few months. It’s far more likely it was the cocktail of PEDS + recreational drug combo that caused CHF

 

[Newday*V3]

How do some meatheads not get this even though they blast for years? Jon isn’t even that big, is there a genetic difference of ARs in the heart?

 

[asdvek]

He looked good as fuck and probably was a slayer.

He did trenbolone, testosterone, masteron, winstrol, dianabol, any steroid that comes to mind

Now hes paying the price. He abused roids at a very high dose. His shoulders fucking blew up and was rounded af

But now over for him his johnson probably doesnt get up

 

[Rabbi]

How do some meatheads not get this even though they blast for years? Jon isn’t even that big, is there a genetic difference of ARs in the heart?

Jon was abusing steroids and not training nearly as much as he needed to be. Pretty much just letting the drugs do the work for him. If I had to pinpoint it I'd say its the tren, its known to cause LVH (Left Ventricular Hypertrophy) where the left wall of the heart thickens which compromises the contractability of the heart and increasing pressure. Add the other PEDS + recreational drugs and you've got a recipe for disaster.

 

[yue]

That’s what he thinks, he was barely using ketamine for a few months. It’s far more likely it was the cocktail of PEDS + recreational drug combo that caused CHF

who knows