Struggling as a low LTN

[Qlo]

I feel as if I am subhuman, and I’m not sure what to do at this point. I have a long midface with no definition. I need to debloat as well because I am around 18–20% body fat. I have an extremely high gonial angle, a recessed chin, no under-eye support, a ginormous forehead, a short ramus, unsymmetrical eyes, very thin, light-colored, high-set eyebrows, and no brow ridge. My hands are under 6.5 cm or 17 cm, my feet are tiny, and I am 5’8”. Could anyone suggest what I can even do? I’m really thinking about just roping. I just feel so inferior to everyone. I’ve been taking Enclo + MK-677, but it’s pretty much cope at this point since I just turned 17 a few months ago. I have some idea of what surgeries I need to get; I just need to save up the money.

 

[AscensionMan98]

Interesting, whats your race , and what surgeries do you have planned.

 

[Qlo]

Interesting, whats your race , and what surgeries do you have planned.

I'm white. genioplasty, hairline transplant or forehead reduction, orbital rim implants, I also have a cleft chin so filler for that and otoplasty because ears are flared are what I've come up with so far and I'm gonna fraud height with extra insoles.

forgot about maybe getting brow implant as well

 

[Qlo]

If anyone could give any tips or recommendations I would appreciate it

 

[mikeperry271]

at this point just roid up & hit the gym
you will build muscle, might add some bone growth and you will be able to shred body fat while getting muscular
it's your last hope

 

[Qlo]

at this point just roid up & hit the gym
you will build muscle, might add some bone growth and you will be able to shred body fat while getting muscular
it's your last hope

What about for surgeries? do u think the ones i listed earlier are all good or would u add some more on?

 

[mikeperry271]

What about for surgeries? do u think the ones i listed earlier are all good or would u add some more on?

Yeah the surgeries might ascend you, but too many surgeries might also make you giga uncanny.
First cut down your bf, and maybe hop on roids while gymcelling
if you still look like shit, start with the most needed procedure and build on from that.

 

[Qlo]

Yeah the surgeries might ascend you, but too many surgeries might also make you giga uncanny.
First cut down your bf, and maybe hop on roids while gymcelling
if you still look like shit, start with the most needed procedure and build on from that.

based on the x-ray do you think the most needed would be genioplasty?

 

[AscensionMan98]

I'm white. genioplasty, hairline transplant or forehead reduction, orbital rim implants, I also have a cleft chin so filler for that and otoplasty because ears are flared are what I've come up with so far and I'm gonna fraud height with extra insoles.

forgot about maybe getting brow implant as well

Whats your experience been with foids, that would give a good estimate of your looks, and have you gotten morphs done, you should know what you want to look like . Most surgeons have good imagine software these days, but the costs here are insane and insurance wont cover, so are you planning to do it here or abroad and what target range your looking at.

 

[AscensionMan98]

based on the x-ray do you think the most needed would be genioplasty?

hard to tell with just the x ray pic, but you could pm pic and can answer better

 

[mikeperry271]

based on the x-ray do you think the most needed would be genioplasty?

your chin actually does not look bad in the xray (don't know what it looks like in real life)
It is clear that you have no under eye support or definition there, so zygo or orbital implants might also be the move

 

[Qlo]

hard to tell with just the x ray pic, but you could pm pic and can answer better

your chin actually does not look bad in the xray (don't know what it looks like in real life)
It is clear that you have no under eye support or definition there, so zygo or orbital implants might also be the move

Ill edit the post and add some pictures

 

[Dendoni]

Hard to judge your appeal based on xrey photos, because soft tissue and facial hairs do big of a difference

Either way, you need minoxidil, to grow eyebrows thicker and beard/stubble, then dying IT darker, AS you said you have light colored facial hair

This will create more harmonous long face, will hide entire lower third

 

[Qlo]

Whats your experience been with foids, that would give a good estimate of your looks, and have you gotten morphs done, you should know what you want to look like . Most surgeons have good imagine software these days, but the costs here are insane and insurance wont cover, so are you planning to do it here or abroad and what target range your looking at.

Haven't had much experience honestly been with a stacylite and becky in the past 3 yrs and where could I get morphs done? and yea I'm planning on doing it abroad Germany/Turkey/etc I don't really have a target range I honestly couldn't care less if I went broke from all of it

 

[Qlo]

Hard to judge your appeal based on xrey photos, because soft tissue and facial hairs do big of a difference

Either way, you need minoxidil, to grow eyebrows thicker and beard/stubble, then dying IT darker, AS you said you have light colored facial hair

This will create more harmonous long face, will hide entire lower third

So your saying I should grow out a stubble and then dye it to a brown? I was already planning on dying my eyebrows darker

 

[Qlo]

your chin actually does not look bad in the xray (don't know what it looks like in real life)
It is clear that you have no under eye support or definition there, so zygo or orbital implants might also be the move

Hard to judge your appeal based on xrey photos, because soft tissue and facial hairs do big of a difference

Either way, you need minoxidil, to grow eyebrows thicker and beard/stubble, then dying IT darker, AS you said you have light colored facial hair

This will create more harmonous long face, will hide entire lower third

hard to tell with just the x ray pic, but you could pm pic and can answer better

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[Dendoni]

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Maybe this about genio in the future, i don't think you need any surgery

If you had gf, that is the proof you are good enough, either way surgery would give you ať most 0.5 points, not more

 

[Qlo]

Maybe this about genio in the future, i don't think you need any surgery

If you had gf, that is the proof you are good enough, either way surgery would give you ať most 0.5 points, not more

the gf I had left me after a month and a half for her ex and we never did anything I'm still a virgin, I'm anti-social because all I care about is my looks and most of the time I feel inferior to everyone I just feel so subhuman because of my small hands its just a huge demotivator just knowing that even most girls hands are bigger than mine

 

[Dendoni]

the gf I had left me after a month and a half for her ex and we never did anything I'm still a virgin, I'm anti-social because all I care about is my looks and most of the time I feel inferior to everyone I just feel so subhuman because of my small hands its just a huge demotivator just knowing that even most girls hands are bigger than mine

I understand what you mean, but most likely surgery won't give you results that you want, since it's not magic pill

 

[quantitativePSL]

you definitely look young but I could see you cuteceling into some girls panties while you’re still in HS tbh

 

[Qlo]

you definitely look young but I could see you cuteceling into some girls panties while you’re still in HS tbh

I only have another year left in HS and i feel like everyone at my school is taller than me because my school has a really competitive basketball team so there’s a whole bunch of 6’+ chads and imma b honest i’ve never cold approached it’s always just been put ons from other friends

 

[Qlo]

I understand what you mean, but most likely surgery won't give you results that you want, since it's not magic pill

i just don’t feel normal compared to everyone and i get mogged by all my friends and theyre all just so much more confident than me

 

[AscensionMan98]

Hard to judge your appeal based on xrey photos, because soft tissue and facial hairs do big of a difference

Either way, you need minoxidil, to grow eyebrows thicker and beard/stubble, then dying IT darker, AS you said you have light colored facial hair

This will create more harmonous long face, will hide entire lower third

wouldn’t let me edit the post so i’ll just attach the pics here some good some bad

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Good news is you have a a strong foundation. Remember that hs is the easiest time to get foids, esp jb. Then goes downhill after due to age cuck laws and their standards going up a lot.

This is something that a few surgeries can fix. I do see you have a slightly deviated septum, but insurance will cover that portion if you can mention breathing issues . The chin is not that developed so I can see why you would want to get a better chin. The chin can also be advanced with a sliding genioplasty. I did notice a overall lack of maxilla development, have you looked into a bimaX.

Bimax is the most commonly needed surgery to ascend tbh.

Its possible that with your bimah operation your chin won't look as recessed relatively speaking.

I would say that if you can get a deviated septum surgery and then take some steroids to enhance puberty you might be able to squeeze out some potential positive facial development . I would run test with aromasin. Do like 100mg so nothing too crazy. And keep using the mk-677, and take metformin( anti diabetes drug ) as mk-677 can increase the risk of diabetes. The mk-677 will help you with getting a potential 1-2 inches, along with aromasin. Adding aromsin is a good idea for several reasons

1. Lowering Estrogen to Delay Growth Plate Closure​

• Estrogen is responsible for closing growth plates (epiphyseal plates) in bones during puberty.
• Aromasin inhibits estrogen production, which may slow down or delay the closure of these plates, potentially allowing for more time for growth.
• This effect is particularly relevant in boys or late-developing adolescents with early or advanced bone maturation due to excess estrogen.

2. Increasing Growth Hormone & IGF-1 Levels​

• Lower estrogen levels can lead to increased growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) production, both of which are critical for height growth.
• Some studies on aromatase inhibitors (like Letrozole or Anastrozole) have shown increased GH and IGF-1, potentially aiding height gain.

Sleep good, eat lots of meat but not processed junk like bacon and sausage, stick to grilled meat. Avoid goyslop. Drink lots of whole milk.






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I would say that as your potential is pretty good , first focus on letting puberty do its job. Workout hard. Do sprints 2x a week or swimming intensely 2x a week. Consider taking test once you turn 18, as at 18 its not likely you will really get any taller. Its possible you might gain a inch with your stack, two if your very lucky but not likely.


Once you finish high school I would recommend you not drop out as you can build a social circle with jb. If your not in sports then work a part time job at any place that hires. Then after you graduate consider a Job in the oil and gas field. Those guys can make decent bread and its one of the few entry level jobs that would actually pay well. Note that usually thought they wont hire straight of high school , but its worth a short . Generally 20-21 is the minimum age they hire

You could also learn about HVAC or plumbing, do a apprenticeship in that field. After 2 years you could join a union and make good money.Its a lot better then falling for the uni scam.

This would help fund a bimax if you find yourself getting no bitches despite juicing. Make sure to take clomid after your 12-16 week cycle so your t levels and sperm cells recover.

 

[7940mogger]

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I don’t think surgery is the move bro. You don’t look too bad and you should at most hop on roids and peptides. You might look uncanny asf w surgery

 

[Qlo]

Good news is you have a a strong foundation. Remember that hs is the easiest time to get foids, esp jb. Then goes downhill after due to age cuck laws and their standards going up a lot.

This is something that a few surgeries can fix. I do see you have a slightly deviated septum, but insurance will cover that portion if you can mention breathing issues . The chin is not that developed so I can see why you would want to get a better chin. The chin can also be advanced with a sliding genioplasty. I did notice a overall lack of maxilla development, have you looked into a bimaX.

Bimax is the most commonly needed surgery to ascend tbh.

Its possible that with your bimah operation your chin won't look as recessed relatively speaking.

I would say that if you can get a deviated septum surgery and then take some steroids to enhance puberty you might be able to squeeze out some potential positive facial development . I would run test with aromasin. Do like 100mg so nothing too crazy. And keep using the mk-677, and take metformin( anti diabetes drug ) as mk-677 can increase the risk of diabetes. The mk-677 will help you with getting a potential 1-2 inches, along with aromasin. Adding aromsin is a good idea for several reasons

1. Lowering Estrogen to Delay Growth Plate Closure​

• Estrogen is responsible for closing growth plates (epiphyseal plates) in bones during puberty.
• Aromasin inhibits estrogen production, which may slow down or delay the closure of these plates, potentially allowing for more time for growth.
• This effect is particularly relevant in boys or late-developing adolescents with early or advanced bone maturation due to excess estrogen.

2. Increasing Growth Hormone & IGF-1 Levels​

• Lower estrogen levels can lead to increased growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) production, both of which are critical for height growth.
• Some studies on aromatase inhibitors (like Letrozole or Anastrozole) have shown increased GH and IGF-1, potentially aiding height gain.

Sleep good, eat lots of meat but not processed junk like bacon and sausage, stick to grilled meat. Avoid goyslop. Drink lots of whole milk.






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I would say that as your potential is pretty good , first focus on letting puberty do its job. Workout hard. Do sprints 2x a week or swimming intensely 2x a week. Consider taking test once you turn 18, as at 18 its not likely you will really get any taller. Its possible you might gain a inch with your stack, two if your very lucky but not likely.


Once you finish high school I would recommend you not drop out as you can build a social circle with jb. If your not in sports then work a part time job at any place that hires. Then after you graduate consider a Job in the oil and gas field. Those guys can make decent bread and its one of the few entry level jobs that would actually pay well. Note that usually thought they wont hire straight of high school , but its worth a short . Generally 20-21 is the minimum age they hire

You could also learn about HVAC or plumbing, do a apprenticeship in that field. After 2 years you could join a union and make good money.Its a lot better then falling for the uni scam.

This would help fund a bimax if you find yourself getting no bitches despite juicing. Make sure to take clomid after your 12-16 week cycle so your t levels and sperm cells recover.

Thank you so much I actually really appreciate this I will definitely look into getting bimax and I'm taking a bunch of supplements as well and I'm really struggling with acne right now so I actually just hopped on tret and I already work 2 jobs while in HS and I don't do any sports or extra curricular things outside of school besides work and where do you recommend I get genioplasty and bimax done?

 

[thales20]

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not low ltn

 

[Qlo]

not low ltn

what would you say low mtn or high ltn?

 

[thales20]

what would you say low mtn or high ltn?

low mtn is better, close to average but bellow it a bit

 

[kindinternetman]

I'm white. genioplasty, hairline transplant or forehead reduction, orbital rim implants, I also have a cleft chin so filler for that and otoplasty because ears are flared are what I've come up with so far and I'm gonna fraud height with extra insoles.

forgot about maybe getting brow implant as well

You are white!

 

[kindinternetman]

You are white!

you already mog. Just dye eyebrows, add some lean muscle and other soft maxxes like deblaoting and then consider surhery

 

[technologicgod]

I feel as if I am subhuman, and I’m not sure what to do at this point. I have a long midface with no definition. I need to debloat as well because I am around 18–20% body fat. I have an extremely high gonial angle, a recessed chin, no under-eye support, a ginormous forehead, a short ramus, unsymmetrical eyes, very thin, light-colored, high-set eyebrows, and no brow ridge. My hands are under 6.5 cm or 17 cm, my feet are tiny, and I am 5’8”. Could anyone suggest what I can even do? I’m really thinking about just roping. I just feel so inferior to everyone. I’ve been taking Enclo + MK-677, but it’s pretty much cope at this point since I just turned 17 a few months ago. I have some idea of what surgeries I need to get; I just need to save up the money.


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brah just go for a caloric deficit to lower ur bodyfat, i went from like 30% to 12% in 2 months with cardio+ weightlifting 700 calories per day with 115g of protein. about the height it s pointless to take mk if ur growth plates already closed, goodluck and go hit the gym brah

 

[Qlo]

brah just go for a caloric deficit to lower ur bodyfat, i went from like 30% to 12% in 2 months with cardio+ weightlifting 700 calories per day with 115g of protein. about the height it s pointless to take mk if ur growth plates already closed, goodluck and go hit the gym brah

Really just taking Mk for hopefuel do you think i should taking a AI as well i would be glad to even get 2cm but definitely gonna start doing some cardio and thank u i appreciate the advice

 

[AscensionMan98]

Thank you so much I actually really appreciate this I will definitely look into getting bimax and I'm taking a bunch of supplements as well and I'm really struggling with acne right now so I actually just hopped on tret and I already work 2 jobs while in HS and I don't do any sports or extra curricular things outside of school besides work and where do you recommend I get genioplasty and bimax done?

Yea no problem bro. Again you actually got a solid base, meaning you could jb max slay right now if you giga low inhib max but its hard with all the anti male propaganda and feminist propaganda these days.

The easiest way to get low inhib is to learn to fight. Take some Boxing classes , or some MMA classes. Take pregabalin if your going to the bars/clubs though that will be some time unless you fake id max.If their is a large party or any social gathering take some of that pregabalin and you'll be good. Its a lot better then alcohol as you won't act sloppy or stupid but still avoid anxiety.

As for the ACNE you are doing the right thing with Tret. Keep doing that shit. Do it every other day tho as everyday is too harsh on the skin.
I woudl also add kefir.Not only does it taste good but adding probiotics to your diet will greatly reduce acne flare ups.Probiotics help reduce acne by balancing the gut microbiome, which in turn decreases systemic inflammation. They also enhance immune function and inhibit the growth of harmful bacteria, which can contribute to acne.

It also helps regulate emotion. I noticed feeling less moody when taking probiotics and less OCD/compulsive behavior.

Usually those work half the time in bars near college areas unless you get a really high quality fake. Best to go for states that are less visited like Connecticut or deleware as the bouncer will not what those state ID are supposed to look like, but they all need to pass the UV light test

So while your in high school make the most of it . Try to talk to the people that are hosting parties, make friends with them . If your not getting invited then just offer to Bring value to the parties by bringing alcohol or stuff like chips and salsa and you should get in. Then their you spam approach.

And shit on graduation I would just go freak mode and cold approach all the foids since you wont ever see them again.