Suffering: a poison and a cure

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There is inherently no "end goal" of life.

We reproduce just for the sake of reproducing.

Often the question arises "what is the meaning of my life?" but that's a bad way to frame your actual question you are thinking "what is the meaning of the pointless suffering I am experiencing?". And you can reframe that question once again, by saying, "what is the REWARD for my pointless suffering?"

That's really what you are thinking of, by asking what is the meaning of your life. You want a reward for all the pointless suffering.

Suffering is perhaps the only thing all living creatures experience. You almost couldn't live had you not experienced it. And we almost seem to judge "strength" mental, and physical, by just how much suffering an individual is willing to endure for any amount of reward.

But I say this: no suffering is pointless. There is a reward in every piece of suffering you experience. A pessimist is one who sees the full degree of the suffering in the world. You might even call this a blackpilled person. An optimist is merely one who sees the hidden reward in the suffering. Both of them are right.

It is possible to know that your genetics are not good enough and still cheerfully choose to embrace the darkness. It's possible to know you will never be tall, never be good looking, never hold power in this world, never be anyone except a slightly improved version of the nobody you were born as, and choose to cheerfully accept it all almost as a challenge and say "let's carry on."

The strongest men in the past weren't given anything. They weren't tall, they weren't good looking, they didn't have success with women. These are all things that will make you accepted by others, and make your brain feel happy. But these are also things that make you weak, feel you are already good enough, so you stop improving, not willing to die because you are too afraid to lose what you have, not stoic because you aren't a friend of suffering and pain, you become weak, feminine, by being gifted with things without having to work for them.

In every bit of suffering there is reward you have to look for. Sometimes it's just an insight, sometimes it's pride in yourself merely for having endured it. What does not kill you makes you stronger.

And even more than this, we all die one day. We all get old faster than you think. In no time at all everyone reading this will be too old to even see clearly to read this message, and then every one of us gets lowered into a deep fucking hole. Men, realizing this, decided to chase greatness. Instead of indulging in the pleasures of the moment they chose eternal glory in a sport, an act, a piece of artwork, or merely making their life the art work by treating those around them like kings so they can merely be remembered in a favorable light by those around them.

The greatest men weren't given SHIT. Alexander the great was 5'0. Genghis Khan was an average looking gook and didn't want anyone to draw paintings of him until he was dead. Nikola Tesla was a recessed lefort 3 patient and invented electricity. Every philosopher was a lonely incel. Every great artist didn't have a wife either.

No suffering is pointless. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
 
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fairy tail for average normie imo.

The lifestyle I have is just an apocalypse and I cant delude myself into thinking /coping that theres any purpose in going through this shit. If anything it's just worsening u JFL
 
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fairy tail for average normie imo.

The lifestyle I have is just an apocalypse and I cant delude myself into thinking /coping that theres any purpose in going through this shit. If anything it's just worsening u JFL
Well that's because you get hit with a wave and choose to drown. I get hit with a wave and become an olympic athlete. That's the point. It's a choice.
 
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Well that's because you get hit with a wave and choose to drown. I get hit with a wave and become an olympic athlete. That's the point. It's a choice.
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Listen I fight with even my teeth otherwise I'd have roped in 1637 before I was even born in this world. I do agree in encouraging people not to drown. It will get them nowhere. You need stand up and do smth. However sincerely in my heart won't delude myself that there's always smth good to get from things. It's experience, you become experienced. You become twisted too. But anyway nevermind me, I'm just an outlier with a very messed up life. Your advice is great for regular people.
 
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Listen I fight with even my teeth otherwise I'd have roped in 1637 before I was even born in this world. I do agree in encouraging people not to drown. It will get them nowhere. You need stand up and do smth. However sincerely in my heart won't delude myself that there's always smth good to get from things. It's experience, you become experienced. You become twisted too. But anyway nevermind me, I'm just an outlier with a very messed up life. Your advice is great for regular people.

You don't seem to realize that my advice isn't for regular people. Regular people are regular because they were given something. That by nature already makes them a little weak.

The strongest men have ALWAYS BEEN THOSE WHO WERENT GIVEN A THING.

My advice is for everyone. Suffering is war and those who experience the most war become the best warriors. That's how life works. I wouldn't expect Chad to be a good leader but I know many men born in poverty who make great leaders. That's how greatness is made. Through suffering.

Being tall and good looking from birth makes one WEAK. The shortest man has to fight twice as hard for the same reward, in my book he's the only warrior there.
 
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You don't seem to realize that my advice isn't for regular people. Regular people are regular because they were given something. That by nature already makes them a little weak.

The strongest men have ALWAYS BEEN THOSE WHO WERENT GIVEN A THING.

My advice is for everyone. Suffering is war and those who experience the most war become the best warriors. That's how life works. I wouldn't expect Chad to be a good leader but I know many men born in poverty who make great leaders. That's how greatness is made. Through suffering.

Being tall and good looking from birth makes one WEAK. The shortest man has to fight twice as hard for the same reward, in my book he's the only warrior there.
So, okay. Then that makes me an exceptional warrior in some way. Ive been in the suffering gym 24/7 for the past 8 months. But I notice some people dont hit the gym at all or train as much yet their minds are stronger and better off than mine leaving aside intelligence.
Perhaps excessive weight? You might have a fracture or smth. Watch out it's not permanent brave warrior. Go slowly and safe to build eventually stronger. And have a rest, you don't need to be strong everyday. You can be weak and have a nice time. It won't hurt. Who am I even training so hard for? What is all that strenght for? JFL being blackpilled I know that face> muscles anyway.

Cheers...
 
So, okay. Then that makes me an exceptional warrior in some way. Ive been in the suffering gym 24/7 for the past 8 months. But I notice some people dont hit the gym at all or train as much yet their minds are stronger and better off than mine leaving aside intelligence.
Perhaps excessive weight? You might have a fracture or smth. Watch out it's not permanent brave warrior. Go slowly and safe to build eventually stronger. And have a rest, you don't need to be strong everyday. You can be weak and have a nice time. It won't hurt. Who am I even training so hard for? What is all that strenght for? JFL being blackpilled I know that face> muscles anyway.

Cheers...

Why are you so keen to adopt "the blackpill" as truth.

The blackpill is full of pussies. Im not blackpilled. I recognize that looks, height, money, all of these are indeed what will make you happy. They will get you accepted by others. But I don't take this information and choose to just roll over and die.

If you can't get women, stop trying. Chase another goal and endure being lonely. Be a fucking man about it. Embrace the darkness. That's how we are here today. Men realized they couldn't sit around in their little mud huts and villages and had to get to work outside by NECESSITY.

Our entire WORLD was built by men who worked from NECESSITY not want. Nobody likes laying brick and concrete and fucking telephone poles. They did that shit because they HAD to. Do what YOU have to to reach your fucking goals. If you don't have goals fucking close your eyes and start dreaming right now.

If you don't have a goal you don't have the path to that goal. I know I have a fucking goal.
 
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This nigga posts book level threads here, mirin the effort bhai
 
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Be a fucking man about it.

Our entire WORLD was built by men who worked from NECESSITY not want. They did that shit because they HAD to. Do what YOU have to to reach your fucking goals.
I like these phrases. Real af.

You didn't understand my comment properly though. I was making some sort of analogy were suffering equated muscle growth and strenght. And although useful, cant be abused, or overestimated either.

Thanks for ur replies!
 
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Agreed for the most part. Good post.
 
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Thanks for the reminder.

I feel like I can understand this for some days and then I'll entirely forget about it until I see someone writing about it again. Perhaps I am simply stupid.
 
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I think thats a major issue of today, the suffering men face nowadays is not about confronting a great challenge or trial like the men of the past, its being forced into a dull and empty life. Men have no problem suffering, toiling and facing difficulty and danger for a reward, greatness or glory but thats the polar oppposite of what modern like is, theres just year after year of mediocrity.

We dont have any passage of manhood or strength to aspire to, we have decades of mind numbing education that we have to just drift through day after day, year after year. We dont have any great lion to fight, we just have decades of empty wageslaving to drag our feet through until we die. This is the problem with modern suffering, there is no challenge to face, just emptiness. Theres more men that would rather toil in a field out in the middle of nowhere or working construction because despite its difficulty and low pay it at least FEELS like you are doing something, anything, other than spending years drifting through a system that makes empty promises of a better future that never comes.

I can guarantee that if you took a bunch of men out of the office/classroom and put them in some sort of survival situation but gave them a bare minimum amount of tools that would guarantee they wouldnt just instantly die, then they'd actually enjoy that struggle and challenge to an extent. Men need fulfillment. We do not need safety, comfort or luxury. All of that has been built for women but its the men that have to "suffer" to make sure that society keeps staying as empty and unstimulating as neccessary in order to provide that
 
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Suffer in the right ways to become great, become great to be remembered after death, at least for some time.
Does it benefit the person that was known as Alexander "The Great" to be remembered in 2023? He may have "defeated death" with a legacy, but the unfortunate reality is eventually all legacies will be lost to time. It may have eased his passing for him to know that he was a fighter, a winner, an important person, but his suffering still served no real purpose.

Without other realms, there really is no point in suffering in this realm. Everything here is temporary and eventually everyone will be forgotten. Just hope that we are all being tested in some way and hope to pass the unknown test.
 
People like to create a reward to their suffering, but that’s nothing more than cope, the brain creating false meaning as a survival mechanism

If someone is born with no legs, he is told that his suffering has meaning and that he has “courage “ for enduring it

If a person is born extremely poor, religion will create meaning to his suffering saying that in the afterlife he will live as a rich man

The reality is, suffering is just suffering
 

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