sutural expansion ascension protocol at 17yo

This is my sutural expansion protocol that I made inspired by jordan wood as well as the facepullers in this forum

important stats and measurements:

• 17 1/2
• ~39mm intermolar width
• second molars still haven't grown
• 4 wisdom teeth extracted
• mild facial assymetry due to facial strain
• negative canthal tilt, more extreme on the left, almost positive on the right
• mid set left cheekbone, high set right cheekbone
• bad infras
• feminized browridge
• mild dorsal hump
• overbite somewhat hidden by jutting
• recessed maxilla
• narrower lower third
• really bad posture
• scleral show
• narrow upper lip
• bad gonial angle

All of these are symptons of an underveloped maxilla. From the cheekbones, lips, jaw, assymmetry, everything tells me that the maxilla, the supporting bone of these other bones and features is severely underveloped and in need of expansion. Due to bad diet resulting in both a lack of physical stimuli for maxillary expansion and a lack of nutrients to nurture growth my face is somewhat fucked up. I Think this is all fixable.

goals:

• 44mm intermolar
• maxilary second molar grown
• less facial assymetry
• positive canthal tilt with compact eyes
• better infras and supras
• higher and more prominant cheekbones
• wider face
• dorsal hump fixed
• forward growth
• CCW rotation
• wider upper lip

Don't know how long it will take. At least 3-4 months for visible results, prob 5-6 because I'm not that disciplined.

The theory:
The best way to improve facial harmony is through sutural expansion in 4 key cranial sutures:

sutures	front profile	side profile
maxilla	intermaxillary suture	palatomaxillary suture
zygos	zymaticomaxxilary suture	zygomaticotemporal suture

The method:
exercises:

1. intermaxillary expansion: lateral thumbpulling. 1min sessions once every 2-3 hours spread throughout the day for 6-8 total daily sessions. 15 sec paralel to the molars, 12 sec paralel to the premolars, 10 sec paralel to the incisors then just moving the thumb slowly from the incisors to the molars and back while pulling until it hits 1min. If you're curious about the exact technique it's copied from Jordan Wood on yt/tiktok
2. palatomaxillary expansion: horizontal facepulling (not f1) as explained in the thumbpulling megathreads. 2min session once every 8 hours
3. zygomaticomaxillary & zygomaticotemporal: Zygopushing both laterally and forwards with neck assistance. sessions will be paired with the thumbpulling ones, also lasting 1 min. I haven't found a good source that compiles everything about zygopushing so I might do a thread explaining everything with better depth but if everyone thinks it's cope I might as well gatekeep.
4. for not losing gains: masseter and temporalis massages combined with fascia release so the muscles and fascia don't pull the bones back into place
5. for keeping sutures open 24/7: alexander technique for 24/7 mewing and maybe even osciliatory hard mewing (might work, might not, if it does I can expand on it later)
6. bonus technique: stimulating growth through MBC techniques, see https://looksmax.org/threads/the-mi...for-aesthetic-enhancement-and-beyond.1209022/

auxiliatory measures:

• sleepmaxxing: 8-9hrs of quality sleep
• supps: 3.5g of GABA as well as 3.5g of magnesium bisglycinate for quality sleep, 5.000ui of d3 + 200mcg of k2 mk7 for bone growth and suture softening
• high calory diet in order to stimulate growth

please ask if there's anything that you didn't understand. If you think it's cope, say exactly what you think is cope and I'll adress it. I might make a theory thread where I explain everything but theory is worth nothing if it just doesn't work so I suppose I'll wait for results. I have put a lot of work into thinking this out and I'm 90% sure it will work for the most part, especially in teens.

 

[sherry12]

Retard of the day alert, wide paler doesn’t equal better aesthetics. KYS!

 

[ND true apollo]

Retard of the day alert, wide paler doesn’t equal better aesthetics. KYS!

mine is narrower then it should be, and cosidering a wider palate can make your cheekbones pop, upper lips get wider, etc. It sometimes equals better aesthetics.

 

[Tttopgtoni]

mine is narrower then it should be, and cosidering a wider palate can make your cheekbones pop, upper lips get wider, etc. It sometimes equals better aesthetics.

Ignore that nigger, good thread. Keep documenting how it goes

 

[ND true apollo]

Ignore that nigger, good thread. Keep documenting how it goes

thanks bro, the biggest problem will be consistency, as going to the school bathroom 2-4 times a day and staying there for 2-3mins is pretty odd and my friends will probably notice,. But I guess I'll just do it.

 

[jeoyw9192]

This is my sutural expansion protocol that I made inspired by jordan wood as well as the facepullers in this forum

important stats and measurements:

• 17 1/2
• ~39mm intermolar width
• second molars still haven't grown
• 4 wisdom teeth extracted
• mild facial assymetry due to facial strain
• negative canthal tilt, more extreme on the left, almost positive on the right
• mid set left cheekbone, high set right cheekbone
• bad infras
• feminized browridge
• mild dorsal hump
• overbite somewhat hidden by jutting
• recessed maxilla
• narrower lower third
• really bad posture
• scleral show
• narrow upper lip
• bad gonial angle

All of these are symptons of an underveloped maxilla. From the cheekbones, lips, jaw, assymmetry, everything tells me that the maxilla, the supporting bone of these other bones and features is severely underveloped and in need of expansion. Due to bad diet resulting in both a lack of physical stimuli for maxillary expansion and a lack of nutrients to nurture growth my face is somewhat fucked up. I Think this is all fixable.

goals:

• 44mm intermolar
• maxilary second molar grown
• less facial assymetry
• positive canthal tilt with compact eyes
• better infras and supras
• higher and more prominant cheekbones
• wider face
• dorsal hump fixed
• forward growth
• CCW rotation
• wider upper lip

Don't know how long it will take. At least 3-4 months for visible results, prob 5-6 because I'm not that disciplined.

The theory:
The best way to improve facial harmony is through sutural expansion in 4 key cranial sutures:

sutures	front profile	side profile
maxilla	intermaxillary suture View attachment 4854610	palatomaxillary suture View attachment 4854611
zygos	zymaticomaxxilary suture View attachment 4854600	zygomaticotemporal suture View attachment 4854570

The method:
exercises:

1. intermaxillary expansion: lateral thumbpulling. 1min sessions once every 2-3 hours spread throughout the day for 6-8 total daily sessions. 15 sec paralel to the molars, 12 sec paralel to the premolars, 10 sec paralel to the incisors then just moving the thumb slowly from the incisors to the molars and back while pulling until it hits 1min. If you're curious about the exact technique it's copied from Jordan Wood on yt/tiktok
2. palatomaxillary expansion: horizontal facepulling (not f1) as explained in the thumbpulling megathreads. 2min session once every 8 hours
3. zygomaticomaxillary & zygomaticotemporal: Zygopushing both laterally and forwards with neck assistance. sessions will be paired with the thumbpulling ones, also lasting 1 min. I haven't found a good source that compiles everything about zygopushing so I might do a thread explaining everything with better depth but if everyone thinks it's cope I might as well gatekeep.
4. for not losing gains: masseter and temporalis massages combined with fascia release so the muscles and fascia don't pull the bones back into place
5. for keeping sutures open 24/7: alexander technique for 24/7 mewing and maybe even osciliatory hard mewing (might work, might not, if it does I can expand on it later)
6. bonus technique: stimulating growth through MBC techniques, see https://looksmax.org/threads/the-mi...for-aesthetic-enhancement-and-beyond.1209022/

auxiliatory measures:

• sleepmaxxing: 8-9hrs of quality sleep
• supps: 3.5g of GABA as well as 3.5g of magnesium bisglycinate for quality sleep, 5.000ui of d3 + 200mcg of k2 mk7 for bone growth and suture softening
• high calory diet in order to stimulate growth

please ask if there's anything that you didn't understand. If you think it's cope, say exactly what you think is cope and I'll adress it. I might make a theory thread where I explain everything but theory is worth nothing if it just doesn't work so I suppose I'll wait for results. I have put a lot of work into thinking this out and I'm 90% sure it will work for the most part, especially in teens.

@///FORTY6IX thoughts?

 

[ND true apollo]

I forgot to say that my eyes are close set and rounded and this protocol also increases IPD while maintaning IICD. So wider set eyes with a longer medial canthus, giving a more compact look.

 

[ostanomy]

no letrozole? why?

 

[r1ght]

@///FORTY6IX thoughts?

High iq user

 

[ND true apollo]

no letrozole? why?

I won't use it but it could potentially help. Raw carrots + aspirin + no junk food help control estrogen to low enough levels, if they go too low it might cause osteoporosis. If I had easy acess to it I'd consider it.

 

[ostanomy]

I won't use it but it could potentially help. Raw carrots + aspirin + no junk food help control estrogen to low enough levels, if they go too low it might cause osteoporosis. If I had easy acess to it I'd consider it.

raw carrots? im crine those are horrible for you

 

[RiotPanda]

The method:
exercises:

1. intermaxillary expansion: lateral thumbpulling. 1min sessions once every 2-3 hours spread throughout the day for 6-8 total daily sessions. 15 sec paralel to the molars, 12 sec paralel to the premolars, 10 sec paralel to the incisors then just moving the thumb slowly from the incisors to the molars and back while pulling until it hits 1min. If you're curious about the exact technique it's copied from Jordan Wood on yt/tiktok
2. palatomaxillary expansion: horizontal facepulling (not f1) as explained in the thumbpulling megathreads. 2min session once every 8 hours
3. zygomaticomaxillary & zygomaticotemporal: Zygopushing both laterally and forwards with neck assistance. sessions will be paired with the thumbpulling ones, also lasting 1 min. I haven't found a good source that compiles everything about zygopushing so I might do a thread explaining everything with better depth but if everyone thinks it's cope I might as well gatekeep.
4. for not losing gains: masseter and temporalis massages combined with fascia release so the muscles and fascia don't pull the bones back into place
5. for keeping sutures open 24/7: alexander technique for 24/7 mewing and maybe even osciliatory hard mewing (might work, might not, if it does I can expand on it later)
6. bonus technique: stimulating growth through MBC techniques, see https://looksmax.org/threads/the-mi...for-aesthetic-enhancement-and-beyond.1209022/

Cope at its finest. Not gonna work. The whole reason things like MARPE work is because the force is constant throughout the whole day, 1 minute every few hours isn't gonna do shit

 

[ND true apollo]

Not gonna work. The whole reason things like MARPE work is because the force is constant throughout the whole day, 1 minute every few hours isn't gonna do shit

not really, high amounts of force that open the sutures in a short period of time can still lead to bone growth in those areas. It's a much slower, more biomimetic process but it still works. I agree that the ROI on MARPE is better, but if you doubt thumbpulling works, look at Jordan Wood's results.

 

[ND true apollo]

raw carrots? im crine those are horrible for you

maybe but I'm a poorcel so I have to cope somehow

 

[RiotPanda]

but if you doubt thumbpulling works, look at Jordan Wood's results.

Central incisors aren't even separated in his transformation, unless he got braces, he would've looked like that if he did nothing. Even if it does work it would be more productive to spend your time wage cucking till you can afford an mse or marpe

 

[ND true apollo]

Central incisors aren't even separated in his transformation, unless he got braces, he would've looked like that if he did nothing. Even if it does work it would be more productive to spend your time wage cucking till you can afford an mse or marpe

central incisors only separate in mse and marpe because the expansion is done super fast and artificially. As I said previously, thumbpulling is a slower, more biomimetic process. That means that the side effect of central incisor separation doesn't occur because the soft tissue around the teeth has time to adapt to the expansion. He adressed this on a youtube video if you're curious. Also, of course he wouldn't look the same if he didn't do anything, the results are super visible. The main problem with marpe for me is that it wouldn't help correct assymetries and might even worsen them.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

@///FORTY6IX thoughts?

Personally speaking all of the progress I’ve seen on myself has been from posture and stretching work paired with mewing.

I would rather view thumb pulling as a stretch than a remodeling driver. That is what hard chewing is for.

I did do thumbpulling daily for a while, but the adherence to this was detrimental to my mental wellbeing and I genuinely saw no progress.


Overall this is a good plan but I would:

Ditch the mind body connection stuff, and only thumbpulling as a stretch and not for minutes on end.

Further emphasize the importance of posture and mewing in the technique, and try to reposition your ribcage through back breathing.

Implement a mouthguard at night, especially considering you have an overbite. Prevents overnight relapse.

Either sleep on your left (lower) side, or on your back. If on your back, put a pillow under your knees and put a rolled up towel under your neck with a low height head pillow. Or you could buy a neck support pillow specifically for this.

I’d recommend reading this thread for some daily stretches to do (when doing these focus on a near painful stretch down your entire posterior chain, from tailbone to the base of your skull.)

Hips, Neck, & Posture Realignment (Fix Facial Asymmetry & achieve symmetry)

Hips, Neck, & Posture Realignment (Facial Symmetry) Posture, particularly the alignment of the hips and neck are important in facial symmetry which is important. A misalignment can cause the cartilage in your face and entire body to become unevenly distributed or one side is strained more than...

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Also tagging another high IQ user

@Wexilarious

 

[///FORTY6IX]

central incisors only separate in mse and marpe because the expansion is done super fast and artificially. As I said previously, thumbpulling is a slower, more biomimetic process. That means that the side effect of central incisor separation doesn't occur because the soft tissue around the teeth has time to adapt to the expansion. He adressed this on a youtube video if you're curious. Also, of course he wouldn't look the same if he didn't do anything, the results are super visible. The main problem with marpe for me is that it wouldn't help correct assymetries and might even worsen them.

I would like to say that just because wood did thumbpulling doesn’t mean that it was the catalyst for his ascension. His entire body posture also improved.

To further illustrate my point, there’s this dude that looks like Barrett on TikTok (skull shape)



Is it coincidence that his entire torso is configured near identical to Barrett’s?

Your face is a reflection of how the rest of your body is configured. If you can stretch your connective tissue out of being stuck where you are now, and orient your skeleton how it should properly sit, then your face will have to conform.

This is also why Barrett’s midface ratio has elongated, because his posture has become less elongated. Stretched out posture = compact face, and bent collapsed posture = subhuman recession.