Talking with my chubby LTB friend about dating made me depressed

[UnderTheKnife]

Not a fully blown landwhale, but she's a chubby lipcel with a masculine frame.
She was dating four guys at the same time, each thinking she's exclusive to him. I saw one of them on her phone and he's a legit HTN.
How do you cope knowing that the bottom of the barrel can afford to fuck around with guys much higher than them in PSL? Where does that leave you with MTBs and above?
I know all of this is water, but it's different when you see it in action through someone you know.

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Chad dates Becky. Stacy also dates Eugene

 

[Deleted member 18522]

This is not true, landwhales have less SMV than even the average man

women reach god tier at slim, light skinned and non-deformed and not before

 

[UnderTheKnife]

This is not true, landwhales have less SMV than even the average man

women reach god tier at slim, light skinned and non-deformed and not before

Depends on location. If we're talking about the West, I disagree with you.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Depends on location. If we're talking about the West, I disagree with you.

mabyine in the usa and uk not the rest of the west

 

[UnderTheKnife]

mabyine in the usa and uk not the rest of the west

Fair point. I used landwhale as a clickbait. I'll edit the title to chubby LTB instead.

 

[Deleted member 26232]

She was dating four guys at the same time, each thinking she's exclusive to him.

jesus christ

 

[JovenCansao]

If this made you depressed you're still bluepilled

 

[Deleted member 25193]

Not a fully blown landwhale, but she's a chubby lipcel with a masculine frame.
She was dating four guys at the same time, each thinking she's exclusive to him. I saw one of them on her phone and he's a legit HTN.
How do you cope knowing that the bottom of the barrel can afford to fuck around with guys much higher than them in PSL? Where does that leave you with MTBs and above?
I know all of this is water, but it's different when you see it in action through someone you know.

You are friends with woman you are not fucking can we give him a cuck tag ?

 

[UnderTheKnife]

You are friends with woman you are not fucking can we give him a cuck tag ?

You seem to have taken Tomassi's iron rules word by word jfl
There's something in life called social circle if you've ever heard about it.

 

[Adriana Lima]

Not a fully blown landwhale, but she's a chubby lipcel with a masculine frame.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

This is not true, landwhales have less SMV than even the average man

women reach god tier at slim, light skinned and non-deformed and not before

If a fat woman is confident, extroverted, and approaches first she can 100% bag a goodlooking guy. Most men are lazy and will enter a relationship for daily sex with a woman who worships them. Pic related are an example, he mogs her.

 

[hypernormie]

I used to fuck this chubby bitch with a masculine frame. She was 4 PSL but had big titties tho and I only met her because catfished me

Anyway she once revealed to me that one of the guys she used to fuck was a rich 40 year old dude that would buy her shit. They would go out to dinner, he would Uber her around, get her gifts, etc.

Considering this girl only got to fuck me due to catfishing on a straight to the house Tinder pull and me being too horny to resist and also being the lowest girl on my roster whom I would only fuck if no one else was available, it really struck me. You hear about it but when you encounter it irl it really is different. I never thought much of this girl but she could at any point in time have some rich dude quintuple my net worth take her out to expensive dinners and shit.

I thought I was blackpilled but in that moment it really hit me that women live in a different reality. I was also filled with resentment towards her when she told me that story because she told me the money was nice but she never found him that attractive. The resentment wasn’t rational because what do you expect from a woman when she has that kind of power? If you could just hook up with a rich dude and hang out with him why not? Most guys can’t just hang out with rich dudes but some sub 5 can just because she has tits. The way she spoke about him too was interesting because it’s like she wasn’t truly aware of why she was with him. She mentioned how she really enjoyed the money and stuff and that she wasn’t attracted to him but also spoke about it as if it was a real relationship. Like her mind was rationalizing in real time behind her awareness that her affection was genuine. It was very peculiar to watch.

When you realize you are fucking a hypergamous whore you feel very different. You realize that this woman is willing to ostensibly fuck a guy for money. It’s a strange feeling to see for yourself that a regular woman will engage in that behavior but will not see herself as a prostitute.

Yet she left him because he got too controlling and now she was fucking me (or rather me fucking her, not that this was some reward) a young, handsome large penis having mogger, but it goes to show money isn’t everything. However if you have the cash you can definitely get something, and much more than I previously realized. What would happen to me if a young good looking dude with money decided to move on this chick? Surely he could snatch her up and now when I text her for a quick fuck on a Tuesday night I’m getting ghosted by a fat bitch.

My ex also once got offered $400 on Instagram by some old guy to send him pictures of her feet. This was also an eye opening moment for me as my ex felt like my special angel. To think some dude can invade her DM’s with offers of large sums of cash in exchange for minimal sexual services felt violating. You start thinking of all the DM’s she must get from various dudes trying to fuck her, and some even willing to offer money. It made sense to me in that moment why a lot of women go down the OF rabbit hole. My girl was a sexually conservative sweet type, perfect gf material but even she will get tempted by the world with easy money for her body. When she told me about it, I could hear in her voice that she was considering doing it. I could see the glimpse of excitement on her face at an easy $400 for a few feet pics. Although my immediate reaction was a sense of loss at the girl I once knew, for I thought this must be it, her innocence is ruined. I also realized I couldn’t stop this process and so repressed my rage and encouraged her to do it, I figured if she wants to be a hoe at least I can be her pimp, and I’d get her an innumerable amount of customers for she is not a very business savvy person. Nonetheless she refused to do it, after all she was exactly innocent, the perfect gf type. Too high inhib and moral to engage in such debauchery.

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

I used to fuck this chubby bitch with a masculine frame. She was 4 PSL but had big titties tho and I only met her because catfished me

Anyway she once revealed to me that one of the guys she used to fuck was a rich 40 year old dude that would buy her shit. They would go out to dinner, he would Uber her around, get her gifts, etc.

Considering this girl only got to fuck me due to catfishing on a straight to the house Tinder pull and me being too horny to resist and also being the lowest girl on my roster whom I would only fuck if no one else was available, it really struck me. You hear about it but when you encounter it irl it really is different. I never thought much of this girl but she could at any point in time have some rich dude quintuple my net worth take her out to expensive dinners and shit.

I thought I was blackpilled but in that moment it really hit me that women live in a different reality. I was also filled with resentment towards her when she told me that story because she told me the money was nice but she never found him that attractive. The resentment wasn’t rational because what do you expect from a woman when she has that kind of power? If you could just hook up with a rich dude and hang out with him why not? Most guys can’t just hang out with rich dudes but some sub 5 can just because she has tits. The way she spoke about him too was interesting because it’s like she wasn’t truly aware of why she was with him. She mentioned how she really enjoyed the money and stuff and that she wasn’t attracted to him but also spoke about it as if it was a real relationship. Like her mind was rationalizing in real time behind her awareness that her affection was genuine. It was very peculiar to watch.

When you realize you are fucking a hypergamous whore you feel very different. You realize that this woman is willing to ostensibly fuck a guy for money. It’s a strange feeling to see for yourself that a regular woman will engage in that behavior but will not see herself as a prostitute.

Yet she left him because he got too controlling and now she was fucking me (or rather me fucking her, not that this was some reward) a young, handsome large penis having mogger, but it goes to show money isn’t everything. However if you have the cash you can definitely get something, and much more than I previously realized. What would happen to me if a young good looking dude with money decided to move on this chick? Surely he could snatch her up and now when I text her for a quick fuck on a Tuesday night I’m getting ghosted by a fat bitch.

My ex also once got offered $400 on Instagram by some old guy to send him pictures of her feet. This was also an eye opening moment for me as my ex felt like my special angel. To think some dude can invade her DM’s with offers of large sums of cash in exchange for minimal sexual services felt violating. You start thinking of all the DM’s she must get from various dudes trying to fuck her, and some even willing to offer money. It made sense to me in that moment why a lot of women go down the OF rabbit hole. My girl was a sexually conservative sweet type, perfect gf material but even she will get tempted by the world with easy money for her body. When she told me about it, I could hear in her voice that she was considering doing it. I could see the glimpse of excitement on her face at an easy $400 for a few feet pics. Although my immediate reaction was a sense of loss at the girl I once knew, for I thought this must be it, her innocence is ruined. I also realized I couldn’t stop this process and so repressed my rage and encouraged her to do it, I figured if she wants to be a hoe at least I can be her pimp, and I’d get her an innumerable amount of customers for she is not a very business savvy person. Nonetheless she refused to do it, after all she was exactly innocent, the perfect gf type. Too high inhib and moral to engage in such debauchery.

Why isnt she your gf anymore

 

[thereallegend]

The only cope left if you want white women is to go to EE or go for Castizas in LatAm where you get more bang for your buck.

 

[hypernormie]

Why isnt she your gf anymore

she was below me in SMV and had an incompatible personality. She also didn’t make enough effort to compensate for her shortcomings so with that coupled with our personality differences I eventually got tired of being with her.

She was too high inhib and introverted, she didn’t like smoking weed or doing drugs, she didn’t like rap music, she didn’t share my interests (although tbh most women won’t) she was too sexually conservative, I was more ambitious, aggressive, and sensation seeking than her, and while she was attractive she was below me in PSL.

I only got with her because she was my high school oneitis who I managed to bag and so there was a lot of ego involved in finally conquering her and making her mine. I had grown into a chad as an adult while she remained just a pretty girl. I had spent my time self improving, learning game, working out, etc. we were on and off and while off, I was able to hook up a lot and gained a lot of experience with other women. After a while I began to resent her for not valuing me as much as other women did. For example, she took a long time to get comfortable with the thought of anal. While I had hooked up with other more attractive women who were willing to try anal after I asked, with little to no persuasion. These same women were down to do drugs, go party, enjoyed rap music on top of being more attractive. It was truly a scenario where I could afford more than what I was settling for. I would hook up with these women, get back with my ex and ask for anal or put on a rap song and see her annoyance, or want to smoke weed and run into resistance. After while I began to ask myself “what am I getting out of this relationship?”

The main value of being with her was that my ex really loved me and valued me. I was the most attractive man she had ever been with. She was very sexually conservative and didn’t really want to hook up with a bunch of random dudes. She would have these little battles with herself of whether she should have a “hoe phase” she saw the value in going out and having fun but her personal values of seeking love and devotion to one man always made the idea seem shallow. I learned this because we had been on and off and at one time for more than a year, when I got back with her I asked if she’d been with other guys and she said no. I didn’t ask in a negative way or anything just out of curiosity and she told me that while she thought about it, she just couldn’t bring herself to hook up with some random dude. She was also very introverted and kept to herself, so while I don’t believe she wouldn’t have necessarily turned down a really attractive dude that moved on her, she never put herself in a situation where that would happen and her inhibitions were too high to go looking for it. She was very family oriented and believed in true love and would talk about how much she desired a loving committed relationship. Her body count was only 3 at the time including me and is only 4 now with her new boyfriend. This was the main reason I was attracted to her besides just being visually my type. I knew that being with her, I owned her mind and body. I never had to worry about her cheating or be insecure about whether or not she loved me or found me attractive. She invested a lot more into the relationship than I did at first. She would routinely say things like “sometimes I feel like you’re not real” because she felt I was too attractive to be with her.

That was also kind of the sad part. She really wished we could work out and have a long loving relationship and build a family together but ultimately she didn’t bring enough value to prevent my eyes from wandering. Part of that is due to no fault of her own, as there were just some personality differences between us, but part of it was just due to her naïveté of the competition she was up against. She really believed in “true love” and that you shouldn’t have to compete for the attention of someone who really loves you, and while that’s partially true, it’s a very female mindset, as she only became attracted to me in high school after I came across the red pill and started on a journey of self improvement. Prior to that, she passed me over for two other guys which were the first 2 in her body count. I had to improve myself significantly to compete for her attention and be seen as attractive to her in the first place, but she didn’t feel like she should have to engage in the labor of self improvement to keep me attracted. It was mostly her naïveté that drove us apart because I would tell her that I felt resentment at her apparent lack of effort and she would get upset at the thought that she wasn’t enough for me, which made me feel bad and lower my expectations, I was rather bluepilled in that sense. There were some things I didn’t expect to change like her distaste for rap music, but other things were evident that she could change but she just never put in the effort. We would smoke weed and have a good time on some occasions but then at other times she would say she felt uncomfortable at the thought of getting high. I really had to put in a lot of effort to make her comfortable for her to do certain things. She at one point was willing to try anal after me bringing it up many many times. I ad sort of given up on asking her at that point but she on her own accord decided she was open to it, however she didn’t have any sense of initiative to tell me and was willing to passively wait for me to bring it up again. On the day I found out it happened to be right before I had to leave to go to work. We ended up not doing anal that day and broke up the next week, we were having a lot of problems at the time and I had cheated on her which gave me the suspicion she was also only open to it because she realized I could go find another woman to satisfy me. However it could have just been coincidence. When we got back together though and I said I wanted to try it, she said she no because it would be uncomfortable. Or the times we would try it, she would complain about being uncomfortable and made me stop before we could really get going. None of it was rational, as certain things she was or was not comfortable with doing were entirely based on how she felt in the moment. She would be open to doing things one moment but not the next and her openness was entirely predicated on how comfortable I made her feel, but the amount of effort I had to engage in to make her feel comfortable often exceeded the amount of value I got back from getting her to try certain things. The difference is, I never behaved this way with her. If she wanted to try something I never refused or put up a fight about it. She wasn’t able to say there were things in the relationship that she asked for and didn’t get other than a vague sense of lacking comfort and love from me. Yet there is only so much comfort and love I can give to someone who doesn’t show much initiative in satisfying my needs. At a certain point you get fed up. This was mostly the result of her self esteem being much lower than mine and needing constant validation of my attraction to her for her to “reward” me with compliance. She wasn’t doing it on purpose but it’s just how she was. She felt powerless in the relationship and figured the best way to exert whatever power she had was to be non compliant when she didn’t feel loved. The problem with that is, while it worked at first because I did love her, she was not in a position of power with me. I needed her to show me she could satisfy me as much as other girls I’ve been with. Her flip flopping on what she was or was not willing to do became evident and was no longer a matter of preference but a matter of effort, as she showed she was fully capable of doing the things I asked. However in doing those things it would acknowledge that love is conditional which made her feel upset. Her response to the idea of conditional love was irrational and really generates a lot of resentment in me to think about to this day because some of the main reasons she loved me were conditionally dependent on my appearance and behavior, although she never verbalized this exactly. She was okay with loving me conditionally but wanted herself to be loved unconditionally. They say you should never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity but it’s hard.

When we neared the end and she realized that I may very well leave her, she was very open to doing anal or smoking weed, but by that time her flaws were already evident and not even her compliance could get me to commit. While our differences in personality always existed and caused problems, I was willing to overlook those things in the beginning. After seeing her lack of effort, I began to realize there were women out there who had more compatible personalities AND who were also more compliant. Women who would value me without me having to put in huge amounts of effort to compensate for their low self esteem. Women who know nothing in the world is free and are willing to work to keep me interested.

She was right in thinking she was lucky to have a guy like me be interested in her. It was sort of a “just be first” theory in reverse. Where she was my first really attractive girl who I thought was out of my league. She held a special place in my mind because she was my oneitis who I had conquered, but her value to me was never built on anything substantial. Her value was built on the fact she used to unobtainable, but in my desire to obtain her, I had become better than her and women like her became not only obtainable but regular in my life. It took years of conflict in our relationship for this to become apparent to me. I knew I could do better than her but I didn’t want to leave her in the dust, because after many years of being with her I had grown to care about her. I wanted her to have her happily ever after with the hot guy who was out of her league and did my best to try and convince her (and myself too) that it was possible if only she tried harder.

It may have been possible too. If she had put in more effort to please me from the start I probably wouldn’t have strayed and hooked up with so many other women. I might have been happy in my delusion, not realizing I could do better. I would have settled, capitulated on some of my lesser desires so long as my larger ones were satisfied. I would have dealt with not being able to listen to rap music around her or only sometimes smoking weed rather than looking for a girl who listens to Kodak and is down to smoke everyday. I would have substituted fucking tons of random chicks with the knowledge that I’m the best for one chick. I would have looked at her high inhibition as evidence of a good character rather than evidence of a weak and risk averse personality. I would have seen her desire for monogamy as noble traditionalism rather than a blind striving for reproduction or as a means to validate her lack of self esteem through love.

It may have fallen apart eventually but I don’t know. All I know is that I’m happy she was so stubborn and naive because it made me realize I shouldn’t settle for less than I’m worth.

She eventually realized that I only stayed with her for so long because I wanted to help her, I did in fact look down her and this made her lash out a bit towards the end. She would say “you know I’m not some helpless girl that needs you to be there for me” but she really was. She had shown through her actions that she wanted a guy like me but also showed she wasn’t capable of gaining commitment from guys like me. She was like the girls on Fresh and Fit who say they will get a high value man and when asked what they bring to the table respond with “myself.” Although she wasn’t as ignorant as those girls she shared a similar attitude. It was ego that made her respond negatively to the thought of me being so patronizing towards her by staying with her. No one likes to feel helpless but sometimes you are helpless and while it can feel insulting to acknowledge that, it’s irrational to get angry at others for pointing it out and feeling obligated to help. It is true part of the reason I stayed with her was patronizing. I did feel she needed my help and that I was the only really attractive guy she had managed to gain commitment from, I thought this mainly because she so often made this fact known. When we separated she would tell me how much she missed me and how she’s so lonely. Is it wrong that I took her at her word? Would it have been better if I had ignored her pleas for love and let her fend for herself? Probably. But at the time my heart was too big for that, I realized she desperately wanted to be with me and although I didn’t find her to be the most attractive girl in the world, she had enough attractive qualities that I figured we could make it work if she put in some effort. But in the end when it became known that’s what I thought of her, she became upset. It was ego because I had given her what she asked of me and in giving it to her she was offended. She wanted me to really love her, not love her because I felt sorry for her. But I did love her, and I only felt sorry for her because I loved her. This was good though because I realized my heart was too big. My heart is much smaller now and I don’t let my emotions sway me towards the service of others unless I am receiving a clear benefit. Although it was insulting to me for her to say my love was patronizing after trying so hard to make it work, she was right that I should have never cared about her.

 

[UnderTheKnife]

she was below me in SMV and had an incompatible personality. She also didn’t make enough effort to compensate for her shortcomings so with that coupled with our personality differences I eventually got tired of being with her.

She was too high inhib and introverted, she didn’t like smoking weed or doing drugs, she didn’t like rap music, she didn’t share my interests (although tbh most women won’t) she was too sexually conservative, I was more ambitious, aggressive, and sensation seeking than her, and while she was attractive she was below me in PSL.

I only got with her because she was my high school oneitis who I managed to bag and so there was a lot of ego involved in finally conquering her and making her mine. I had grown into a chad as an adult while she remained just a pretty girl. I had spent my time self improving, learning game, working out, etc. we were on and off and while off, I was able to hook up a lot and gained a lot of experience with other women. After a while I began to resent her for not valuing me as much as other women did. For example, she took a long time to get comfortable with the thought of anal. While I had hooked up with other more attractive women who were willing to try anal after I asked, with little to no persuasion. These same women were down to do drugs, go party, enjoyed rap music on top of being more attractive. It was truly a scenario where I could afford more than what I was settling for. I would hook up with these women, get back with my ex and ask for anal or put on a rap song and see her annoyance, or want to smoke weed and run into resistance. After while I began to ask myself “what am I getting out of this relationship?”

The main value of being with her was that my ex really loved me and valued me. I was the most attractive man she had ever been with. She was very sexually conservative and didn’t really want to hook up with a bunch of random dudes. She would have these little battles with herself of whether she should have a “hoe phase” she saw the value in going out and having fun but her personal values of seeking love and devotion to one man always made the idea seem shallow. I learned this because we had been on and off and at one time for more than a year, when I got back with her I asked if she’d been with other guys and she said no. I didn’t ask in a negative way or anything just out of curiosity and she told me that while she thought about it, she just couldn’t bring herself to hook up with some random dude. She was also very introverted and kept to herself, so while I don’t believe she wouldn’t have necessarily turned down a really attractive dude that moved on her, she never put herself in a situation where that would happen and her inhibitions were too high to go looking for it. She was very family oriented and believed in true love and would talk about how much she desired a loving committed relationship. Her body count was only 3 at the time including me and is only 4 now with her new boyfriend. This was the main reason I was attracted to her besides just being visually my type. I knew that being with her, I owned her mind and body. I never had to worry about her cheating or be insecure about whether or not she loved me or found me attractive. She invested a lot more into the relationship than I did at first. She would routinely say things like “sometimes I feel like you’re not real” because she felt I was too attractive to be with her.

That was also kind of the sad part. She really wished we could work out and have a long loving relationship and build a family together but ultimately she didn’t bring enough value to prevent my eyes from wandering. Part of that is due to no fault of her own, as there were just some personality differences between us, but part of it was just due to her naïveté of the competition she was up against. She really believed in “true love” and that you shouldn’t have to compete for the attention of someone who really loves you, and while that’s partially true, it’s a very female mindset, as she only became attracted to me in high school after I came across the red pill and started on a journey of self improvement. Prior to that, she passed me over for two other guys which were the first 2 in her body count. I had to improve myself significantly to compete for her attention and be seen as attractive to her in the first place, but she didn’t feel like she should have to engage in the labor of self improvement to keep me attracted. It was mostly her naïveté that drove us apart because I would tell her that I felt resentment at her apparent lack of effort and she would get upset at the thought that she wasn’t enough for me, which made me feel bad and lower my expectations, I was rather bluepilled in that sense. There were some things I didn’t expect to change like her distaste for rap music, but other things were evident that she could change but she just never put in the effort. We would smoke weed and have a good time on some occasions but then at other times she would say she felt uncomfortable at the thought of getting high. I really had to put in a lot of effort to make her comfortable for her to do certain things. She at one point was willing to try anal after me bringing it up many many times. I ad sort of given up on asking her at that point but she on her own accord decided she was open to it, however she didn’t have any sense of initiative to tell me and was willing to passively wait for me to bring it up again. On the day I found out it happened to be right before I had to leave to go to work. We ended up not doing anal that day and broke up the next week, we were having a lot of problems at the time and I had cheated on her which gave me the suspicion she was also only open to it because she realized I could go find another woman to satisfy me. However it could have just been coincidence. When we got back together though and I said I wanted to try it, she said she no because it would be uncomfortable. Or the times we would try it, she would complain about being uncomfortable and made me stop before we could really get going. None of it was rational, as certain things she was or was not comfortable with doing were entirely based on how she felt in the moment. She would be open to doing things one moment but not the next and her openness was entirely predicated on how comfortable I made her feel, but the amount of effort I had to engage in to make her feel comfortable often exceeded the amount of value I got back from getting her to try certain things. The difference is, I never behaved this way with her. If she wanted to try something I never refused or put up a fight about it. She wasn’t able to say there were things in the relationship that she asked for and didn’t get other than a vague sense of lacking comfort and love from me. Yet there is only so much comfort and love I can give to someone who doesn’t show much initiative in satisfying my needs. At a certain point you get fed up. This was mostly the result of her self esteem being much lower than mine and needing constant validation of my attraction to her for her to “reward” me with compliance. She wasn’t doing it on purpose but it’s just how she was. She felt powerless in the relationship and figured the best way to exert whatever power she had was to be non compliant when she didn’t feel loved. The problem with that is, while it worked at first because I did love her, she was not in a position of power with me. I needed her to show me she could satisfy me as much as other girls I’ve been with. Her flip flopping on what she was or was not willing to do became evident and was no longer a matter of preference but a matter of effort, as she showed she was fully capable of doing the things I asked. However in doing those things it would acknowledge that love is conditional which made her feel upset. Her response to the idea of conditional love was irrational and really generates a lot of resentment in me to think about to this day because some of the main reasons she loved me were conditionally dependent on my appearance and behavior, although she never verbalized this exactly. She was okay with loving me conditionally but wanted herself to be loved unconditionally. They say you should never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity but it’s hard.

When we neared the end and she realized that I may very well leave her, she was very open to doing anal or smoking weed, but by that time her flaws were already evident and not even her compliance could get me to commit. While our differences in personality always existed and caused problems, I was willing to overlook those things in the beginning. After seeing her lack of effort, I began to realize there were women out there who had more compatible personalities AND who were also more compliant. Women who would value me without me having to put in huge amounts of effort to compensate for their low self esteem. Women who know nothing in the world is free and are willing to work to keep me interested.

She was right in thinking she was lucky to have a guy like me be interested in her. It was sort of a “just be first” theory in reverse. Where she was my first really attractive girl who I thought was out of my league. She held a special place in my mind because she was my oneitis who I had conquered, but her value to me was never built on anything substantial. Her value was built on the fact she used to unobtainable, but in my desire to obtain her, I had become better than her and women like her became not only obtainable but regular in my life. It took years of conflict in our relationship for this to become apparent to me. I knew I could do better than her but I didn’t want to leave her in the dust, because after many years of being with her I had grown to care about her. I wanted her to have her happily ever after with the hot guy who was out of her league and did my best to try and convince her (and myself too) that it was possible if only she tried harder.

It may have been possible too. If she had put in more effort to please me from the start I probably wouldn’t have strayed and hooked up with so many other women. I might have been happy in my delusion, not realizing I could do better. I would have settled, capitulated on some of my lesser desires so long as my larger ones were satisfied. I would have dealt with not being able to listen to rap music around her or only sometimes smoking weed rather than looking for a girl who listens to Kodak and is down to smoke everyday. I would have substituted fucking tons of random chicks with the knowledge that I’m the best for one chick. I would have looked at her high inhibition as evidence of a good character rather than evidence of a weak and risk averse personality. I would have seen her desire for monogamy as noble traditionalism rather than a blind striving for reproduction or as a means to validate her lack of self esteem through love.

It may have fallen apart eventually but I don’t know. All I know is that I’m happy she was so stubborn and naive because it made me realize I shouldn’t settle for less than I’m worth.

She eventually realized that I only stayed with her for so long because I wanted to help her, I did in fact look down her and this made her lash out a bit towards the end. She would say “you know I’m not some helpless girl that needs you to be there for me” but she really was. She had shown through her actions that she wanted a guy like me but also showed she wasn’t capable of gaining commitment from guys like me. She was like the girls on Fresh and Fit who say they will get a high value man and when asked what they bring to the table respond with “myself.” Although she wasn’t as ignorant as those girls she shared a similar attitude. It was ego that made her respond negatively to the thought of me being so patronizing towards her by staying with her. No one likes to feel helpless but sometimes you are helpless and while it can feel insulting to acknowledge that, it’s irrational to get angry at others for pointing it out and feeling obligated to help. It is true part of the reason I stayed with her was patronizing. I did feel she needed my help and that I was the only really attractive guy she had managed to gain commitment from, I thought this mainly because she so often made this fact known. When we separated she would tell me how much she missed me and how she’s so lonely. Is it wrong that I took her at her word? Would it have been better if I had ignored her pleas for love and let her fend for herself? Probably. But at the time my heart was too big for that, I realized she desperately wanted to be with me and although I didn’t find her to be the most attractive girl in the world, she had enough attractive qualities that I figured we could make it work if she put in some effort. But in the end when it became known that’s what I thought of her, she became upset. It was ego because I had given her what she asked of me and in giving it to her she was offended. She wanted me to really love her, not love her because I felt sorry for her. But I did love her, and I only felt sorry for her because I loved her. This was good though because I realized my heart was too big. My heart is much smaller now and I don’t let my emotions sway me towards the service of others unless I am receiving a clear benefit. Although it was insulting to me for her to say my love was patronizing after trying so hard to make it work, she was right that I should have never cared about her.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Deleted member 24278]

If a fat woman is confident, extroverted, and approaches first she can 100% bag a goodlooking guy. Most men are lazy and will enter a relationship for daily sex with a woman who worships them. Pic related are an example, he mogs her.

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I'd rather be an incel forever than to be with that monstrosity. I'm sorry but I'm not taking no obese whore when I'm the once gymcelling 4x a week

 

[Deleted member 6128]

I used to fuck this chubby bitch with a masculine frame. She was 4 PSL but had big titties tho and I only met her because catfished me

Anyway she once revealed to me that one of the guys she used to fuck was a rich 40 year old dude that would buy her shit. They would go out to dinner, he would Uber her around, get her gifts, etc.

Considering this girl only got to fuck me due to catfishing on a straight to the house Tinder pull and me being too horny to resist and also being the lowest girl on my roster whom I would only fuck if no one else was available, it really struck me. You hear about it but when you encounter it irl it really is different. I never thought much of this girl but she could at any point in time have some rich dude quintuple my net worth take her out to expensive dinners and shit.

I thought I was blackpilled but in that moment it really hit me that women live in a different reality. I was also filled with resentment towards her when she told me that story because she told me the money was nice but she never found him that attractive. The resentment wasn’t rational because what do you expect from a woman when she has that kind of power? If you could just hook up with a rich dude and hang out with him why not? Most guys can’t just hang out with rich dudes but some sub 5 can just because she has tits. The way she spoke about him too was interesting because it’s like she wasn’t truly aware of why she was with him. She mentioned how she really enjoyed the money and stuff and that she wasn’t attracted to him but also spoke about it as if it was a real relationship. Like her mind was rationalizing in real time behind her awareness that her affection was genuine. It was very peculiar to watch.

When you realize you are fucking a hypergamous whore you feel very different. You realize that this woman is willing to ostensibly fuck a guy for money. It’s a strange feeling to see for yourself that a regular woman will engage in that behavior but will not see herself as a prostitute.

Yet she left him because he got too controlling and now she was fucking me (or rather me fucking her, not that this was some reward) a young, handsome large penis having mogger, but it goes to show money isn’t everything. However if you have the cash you can definitely get something, and much more than I previously realized. What would happen to me if a young good looking dude with money decided to move on this chick? Surely he could snatch her up and now when I text her for a quick fuck on a Tuesday night I’m getting ghosted by a fat bitch.

My ex also once got offered $400 on Instagram by some old guy to send him pictures of her feet. This was also an eye opening moment for me as my ex felt like my special angel. To think some dude can invade her DM’s with offers of large sums of cash in exchange for minimal sexual services felt violating. You start thinking of all the DM’s she must get from various dudes trying to fuck her, and some even willing to offer money. It made sense to me in that moment why a lot of women go down the OF rabbit hole. My girl was a sexually conservative sweet type, perfect gf material but even she will get tempted by the world with easy money for her body. When she told me about it, I could hear in her voice that she was considering doing it. I could see the glimpse of excitement on her face at an easy $400 for a few feet pics. Although my immediate reaction was a sense of loss at the girl I once knew, for I thought this must be it, her innocence is ruined. I also realized I couldn’t stop this process and so repressed my rage and encouraged her to do it, I figured if she wants to be a hoe at least I can be her pimp, and I’d get her an innumerable amount of customers for she is not a very business savvy person. Nonetheless she refused to do it, after all she was exactly innocent, the perfect gf type. Too high inhib and moral to engage in such debauchery.

Shut the fuck up you retard

YOURE THE ONE WHO GAVE HER VALUDATION BY MEETING HER

MAYBE IF YOU WERENT SO CUCKED WOMEN LIKE HER WOULDNT HAVE SUCH HIGH SMV

 

[hypernormie]

Shut the fuck up you retard

YOURE THE ONE WHO GAVE HER VALUDATION BY MEETING HER

MAYBE IF YOU WERENT SO CUCKED WOMEN LIKE HER WOULDNT HAVE SUCH HIGH SMV

Who cares if I meet her and fuck her?

I’m never gonna commit to her. Should I not get my dick wet because some fat girl will feel validated? Sorry I’m not an altruist, I could give a fuck if she feels validated by me giving her attention and it inflates her ego and makes it harder for some incel. If she doesn’t realize she’s a net 4 in looks at the end of the day it will only end up bad for her. Sure she could fuck a guy like me but that’s it. She was always trying to get me to take her on dates and stuff but I wouldn’t be caught dead in public with her.

I’m not gonna have blue balls just so some fat bitch doesn’t feel validated. Calling me a cuck for fucking her is just not true. What was really cucked was the man who was willing to spend money on her and buy her gifts, that’s what inflated her SMV more than anything, not getting used as a cum rag by some chad.

 

[Deleted member 22191]

Not a fully blown landwhale, but she's a chubby lipcel with a masculine frame.
She was dating four guys at the same time, each thinking she's exclusive to him. I saw one of them on her phone and he's a legit HTN.
How do you cope knowing that the bottom of the barrel can afford to fuck around with guys much higher than them in PSL? Where does that leave you with MTBs and above?
I know all of this is water, but it's different when you see it in action through someone you know.

over

 

[Clown Show]

I used to fuck this chubby bitch with a masculine frame. She was 4 PSL but had big titties tho and I only met her because catfished me

Anyway she once revealed to me that one of the guys she used to fuck was a rich 40 year old dude that would buy her shit. They would go out to dinner, he would Uber her around, get her gifts, etc.

Considering this girl only got to fuck me due to catfishing on a straight to the house Tinder pull and me being too horny to resist and also being the lowest girl on my roster whom I would only fuck if no one else was available, it really struck me. You hear about it but when you encounter it irl it really is different. I never thought much of this girl but she could at any point in time have some rich dude quintuple my net worth take her out to expensive dinners and shit.

I thought I was blackpilled but in that moment it really hit me that women live in a different reality. I was also filled with resentment towards her when she told me that story because she told me the money was nice but she never found him that attractive. The resentment wasn’t rational because what do you expect from a woman when she has that kind of power? If you could just hook up with a rich dude and hang out with him why not? Most guys can’t just hang out with rich dudes but some sub 5 can just because she has tits. The way she spoke about him too was interesting because it’s like she wasn’t truly aware of why she was with him. She mentioned how she really enjoyed the money and stuff and that she wasn’t attracted to him but also spoke about it as if it was a real relationship. Like her mind was rationalizing in real time behind her awareness that her affection was genuine. It was very peculiar to watch.

When you realize you are fucking a hypergamous whore you feel very different. You realize that this woman is willing to ostensibly fuck a guy for money. It’s a strange feeling to see for yourself that a regular woman will engage in that behavior but will not see herself as a prostitute.

Yet she left him because he got too controlling and now she was fucking me (or rather me fucking her, not that this was some reward) a young, handsome large penis having mogger, but it goes to show money isn’t everything. However if you have the cash you can definitely get something, and much more than I previously realized. What would happen to me if a young good looking dude with money decided to move on this chick? Surely he could snatch her up and now when I text her for a quick fuck on a Tuesday night I’m getting ghosted by a fat bitch.

My ex also once got offered $400 on Instagram by some old guy to send him pictures of her feet. This was also an eye opening moment for me as my ex felt like my special angel. To think some dude can invade her DM’s with offers of large sums of cash in exchange for minimal sexual services felt violating. You start thinking of all the DM’s she must get from various dudes trying to fuck her, and some even willing to offer money. It made sense to me in that moment why a lot of women go down the OF rabbit hole. My girl was a sexually conservative sweet type, perfect gf material but even she will get tempted by the world with easy money for her body. When she told me about it, I could hear in her voice that she was considering doing it. I could see the glimpse of excitement on her face at an easy $400 for a few feet pics. Although my immediate reaction was a sense of loss at the girl I once knew, for I thought this must be it, her innocence is ruined. I also realized I couldn’t stop this process and so repressed my rage and encouraged her to do it, I figured if she wants to be a hoe at least I can be her pimp, and I’d get her an innumerable amount of customers for she is not a very business savvy person. Nonetheless she refused to do it, after all she was exactly innocent, the perfect gf type. Too high inhib and moral to engage in such debauchery.

It's over.

 

[Deleted member 25639]

she was below me in SMV and had an incompatible personality. She also didn’t make enough effort to compensate for her shortcomings so with that coupled with our personality differences I eventually got tired of being with her.

She was too high inhib and introverted, she didn’t like smoking weed or doing drugs, she didn’t like rap music, she didn’t share my interests (although tbh most women won’t) she was too sexually conservative, I was more ambitious, aggressive, and sensation seeking than her, and while she was attractive she was below me in PSL.

I only got with her because she was my high school oneitis who I managed to bag and so there was a lot of ego involved in finally conquering her and making her mine. I had grown into a chad as an adult while she remained just a pretty girl. I had spent my time self improving, learning game, working out, etc. we were on and off and while off, I was able to hook up a lot and gained a lot of experience with other women. After a while I began to resent her for not valuing me as much as other women did. For example, she took a long time to get comfortable with the thought of anal. While I had hooked up with other more attractive women who were willing to try anal after I asked, with little to no persuasion. These same women were down to do drugs, go party, enjoyed rap music on top of being more attractive. It was truly a scenario where I could afford more than what I was settling for. I would hook up with these women, get back with my ex and ask for anal or put on a rap song and see her annoyance, or want to smoke weed and run into resistance. After while I began to ask myself “what am I getting out of this relationship?”

The main value of being with her was that my ex really loved me and valued me. I was the most attractive man she had ever been with. She was very sexually conservative and didn’t really want to hook up with a bunch of random dudes. She would have these little battles with herself of whether she should have a “hoe phase” she saw the value in going out and having fun but her personal values of seeking love and devotion to one man always made the idea seem shallow. I learned this because we had been on and off and at one time for more than a year, when I got back with her I asked if she’d been with other guys and she said no. I didn’t ask in a negative way or anything just out of curiosity and she told me that while she thought about it, she just couldn’t bring herself to hook up with some random dude. She was also very introverted and kept to herself, so while I don’t believe she wouldn’t have necessarily turned down a really attractive dude that moved on her, she never put herself in a situation where that would happen and her inhibitions were too high to go looking for it. She was very family oriented and believed in true love and would talk about how much she desired a loving committed relationship. Her body count was only 3 at the time including me and is only 4 now with her new boyfriend. This was the main reason I was attracted to her besides just being visually my type. I knew that being with her, I owned her mind and body. I never had to worry about her cheating or be insecure about whether or not she loved me or found me attractive. She invested a lot more into the relationship than I did at first. She would routinely say things like “sometimes I feel like you’re not real” because she felt I was too attractive to be with her.

That was also kind of the sad part. She really wished we could work out and have a long loving relationship and build a family together but ultimately she didn’t bring enough value to prevent my eyes from wandering. Part of that is due to no fault of her own, as there were just some personality differences between us, but part of it was just due to her naïveté of the competition she was up against. She really believed in “true love” and that you shouldn’t have to compete for the attention of someone who really loves you, and while that’s partially true, it’s a very female mindset, as she only became attracted to me in high school after I came across the red pill and started on a journey of self improvement. Prior to that, she passed me over for two other guys which were the first 2 in her body count. I had to improve myself significantly to compete for her attention and be seen as attractive to her in the first place, but she didn’t feel like she should have to engage in the labor of self improvement to keep me attracted. It was mostly her naïveté that drove us apart because I would tell her that I felt resentment at her apparent lack of effort and she would get upset at the thought that she wasn’t enough for me, which made me feel bad and lower my expectations, I was rather bluepilled in that sense. There were some things I didn’t expect to change like her distaste for rap music, but other things were evident that she could change but she just never put in the effort. We would smoke weed and have a good time on some occasions but then at other times she would say she felt uncomfortable at the thought of getting high. I really had to put in a lot of effort to make her comfortable for her to do certain things. She at one point was willing to try anal after me bringing it up many many times. I ad sort of given up on asking her at that point but she on her own accord decided she was open to it, however she didn’t have any sense of initiative to tell me and was willing to passively wait for me to bring it up again. On the day I found out it happened to be right before I had to leave to go to work. We ended up not doing anal that day and broke up the next week, we were having a lot of problems at the time and I had cheated on her which gave me the suspicion she was also only open to it because she realized I could go find another woman to satisfy me. However it could have just been coincidence. When we got back together though and I said I wanted to try it, she said she no because it would be uncomfortable. Or the times we would try it, she would complain about being uncomfortable and made me stop before we could really get going. None of it was rational, as certain things she was or was not comfortable with doing were entirely based on how she felt in the moment. She would be open to doing things one moment but not the next and her openness was entirely predicated on how comfortable I made her feel, but the amount of effort I had to engage in to make her feel comfortable often exceeded the amount of value I got back from getting her to try certain things. The difference is, I never behaved this way with her. If she wanted to try something I never refused or put up a fight about it. She wasn’t able to say there were things in the relationship that she asked for and didn’t get other than a vague sense of lacking comfort and love from me. Yet there is only so much comfort and love I can give to someone who doesn’t show much initiative in satisfying my needs. At a certain point you get fed up. This was mostly the result of her self esteem being much lower than mine and needing constant validation of my attraction to her for her to “reward” me with compliance. She wasn’t doing it on purpose but it’s just how she was. She felt powerless in the relationship and figured the best way to exert whatever power she had was to be non compliant when she didn’t feel loved. The problem with that is, while it worked at first because I did love her, she was not in a position of power with me. I needed her to show me she could satisfy me as much as other girls I’ve been with. Her flip flopping on what she was or was not willing to do became evident and was no longer a matter of preference but a matter of effort, as she showed she was fully capable of doing the things I asked. However in doing those things it would acknowledge that love is conditional which made her feel upset. Her response to the idea of conditional love was irrational and really generates a lot of resentment in me to think about to this day because some of the main reasons she loved me were conditionally dependent on my appearance and behavior, although she never verbalized this exactly. She was okay with loving me conditionally but wanted herself to be loved unconditionally. They say you should never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity but it’s hard.

When we neared the end and she realized that I may very well leave her, she was very open to doing anal or smoking weed, but by that time her flaws were already evident and not even her compliance could get me to commit. While our differences in personality always existed and caused problems, I was willing to overlook those things in the beginning. After seeing her lack of effort, I began to realize there were women out there who had more compatible personalities AND who were also more compliant. Women who would value me without me having to put in huge amounts of effort to compensate for their low self esteem. Women who know nothing in the world is free and are willing to work to keep me interested.

She was right in thinking she was lucky to have a guy like me be interested in her. It was sort of a “just be first” theory in reverse. Where she was my first really attractive girl who I thought was out of my league. She held a special place in my mind because she was my oneitis who I had conquered, but her value to me was never built on anything substantial. Her value was built on the fact she used to unobtainable, but in my desire to obtain her, I had become better than her and women like her became not only obtainable but regular in my life. It took years of conflict in our relationship for this to become apparent to me. I knew I could do better than her but I didn’t want to leave her in the dust, because after many years of being with her I had grown to care about her. I wanted her to have her happily ever after with the hot guy who was out of her league and did my best to try and convince her (and myself too) that it was possible if only she tried harder.

It may have been possible too. If she had put in more effort to please me from the start I probably wouldn’t have strayed and hooked up with so many other women. I might have been happy in my delusion, not realizing I could do better. I would have settled, capitulated on some of my lesser desires so long as my larger ones were satisfied. I would have dealt with not being able to listen to rap music around her or only sometimes smoking weed rather than looking for a girl who listens to Kodak and is down to smoke everyday. I would have substituted fucking tons of random chicks with the knowledge that I’m the best for one chick. I would have looked at her high inhibition as evidence of a good character rather than evidence of a weak and risk averse personality. I would have seen her desire for monogamy as noble traditionalism rather than a blind striving for reproduction or as a means to validate her lack of self esteem through love.

It may have fallen apart eventually but I don’t know. All I know is that I’m happy she was so stubborn and naive because it made me realize I shouldn’t settle for less than I’m worth.

She eventually realized that I only stayed with her for so long because I wanted to help her, I did in fact look down her and this made her lash out a bit towards the end. She would say “you know I’m not some helpless girl that needs you to be there for me” but she really was. She had shown through her actions that she wanted a guy like me but also showed she wasn’t capable of gaining commitment from guys like me. She was like the girls on Fresh and Fit who say they will get a high value man and when asked what they bring to the table respond with “myself.” Although she wasn’t as ignorant as those girls she shared a similar attitude. It was ego that made her respond negatively to the thought of me being so patronizing towards her by staying with her. No one likes to feel helpless but sometimes you are helpless and while it can feel insulting to acknowledge that, it’s irrational to get angry at others for pointing it out and feeling obligated to help. It is true part of the reason I stayed with her was patronizing. I did feel she needed my help and that I was the only really attractive guy she had managed to gain commitment from, I thought this mainly because she so often made this fact known. When we separated she would tell me how much she missed me and how she’s so lonely. Is it wrong that I took her at her word? Would it have been better if I had ignored her pleas for love and let her fend for herself? Probably. But at the time my heart was too big for that, I realized she desperately wanted to be with me and although I didn’t find her to be the most attractive girl in the world, she had enough attractive qualities that I figured we could make it work if she put in some effort. But in the end when it became known that’s what I thought of her, she became upset. It was ego because I had given her what she asked of me and in giving it to her she was offended. She wanted me to really love her, not love her because I felt sorry for her. But I did love her, and I only felt sorry for her because I loved her. This was good though because I realized my heart was too big. My heart is much smaller now and I don’t let my emotions sway me towards the service of others unless I am receiving a clear benefit. Although it was insulting to me for her to say my love was patronizing after trying so hard to make it work, she was right that I should have never cared about her.

Really good story man

 

[hypernormie]

Really good story man

Idk if you know about socionics but she was an INFP (or INFj in Socionics) and I’m an ENTJ. A lot of the problems in that relationship can be attributed to the differences in personality predicated on how we differ in viewing the world. For example as an ENTJ I value Se (or Extroverted Sensing) which is the cognitive function used for exerting effort, while as an INFP she valued Si (or Introverted Sensing) which is the cognitive function used for enjoying the present moment and having a strong awareness of personal physical comfort. Si prioritizes how one personally physically feels in the moment over everything and uses that as the main determinant factor to judge what is “right or wrong.” So given that as an ENTJ I have very weak Si, I simply could not focus on providing Si to her at sufficient levels as consistently as she wanted, and as an INFP with very weak Se, she couldn’t summon up the effort to compete for my attention. While she felt the optimal way to live is based relaxing and pleasurable sensations (Si) based on her personal values, I feel the optimal way to live is based on exerting effort (Se) to increase your physical power in the world based off of logic.

INFP’s and ENTJ’s are in what you would call a semi-dual relationship because we have opposite dominant and inferior functions which complement eachother. While both our middle functions contradict each other. This creates a natural warmth towards your semi-dual because they are naturally strong in the area you are most weak in but also value, but also creates distinction because they also prioritize two functions you don’t deem very valuable at all.

As an ENTJ I have:
Te (shared with INFP)
Ni (not shared with INFP)
Se (not shared with INFP)
Fi (shared with INFP)

While as an INFP she has:
Fi (shared with ENTJ)
Ne (not shared with ENTJ)
Si (not shared with ENTJ)
Te (shared with ENTJ)

You may not find Socionics all that interesting but after studying it for awhile it has come to be the best explanation I’ve found for the seemingly unconquerable differences in our personality. When you realize people see the world and process it’s information in all sorts of different ways leading to overall different values, it helps a person to understand why sometimes even with the best of efforts some relationships are simply capped at a certain level or tend to fall apart in predictable ways.