Test bloat and how you can mitigate it.

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I've been on testosterone-e for 4 weeks, starting at 300mg/w until this week increasing to 450mg/d. I'll be adding dianabol to this cycle and have noticed from the test and GH beginning to bloat me.
I anticipated this and want to make sure that other people don't suffer without doing anything to mitigate this.

WHY?

- The bloating will happen due to the aromatization of the exogenous test which will raise the circulating estrogen levels.
- As estrogen increases renal sodium retention, the sodium will pull water into the bloodstream which leads to extracellular fluid expansion.
- Therefore, you get that puffier face.
- Don't forget that its not purely due to the estrogen, testosterone will bind androgen receptors, it will then activate them and change the gene expression within the kidney's, this directly influences the sodium handling in your body.


HOW TO MITIGATE?

- I made the stupidest mistake, while starvemaxxing i thought to supplement electrolytes so started taking sodium chloride, i was retarded as i just bloated even more, ensure that your sodium intake is low to minimise the water retention.
- Taking an ARB (Androgen Receptor Blocker) will decrease aldosterone which leads to lower sodium retention, i would recommend telmisartan and thought it worked better than losartan.
- As the main driver of the bloat is through the aromatization of test, then using an aromatase inhibitor will work wonders on lowering the aromatase activity and stop that estrogen-driven bloating/puffiness. Positively, they don't affect the glycogen and intracellular water which shows muscle fullness. The main AI's that are used are exemestane and anastrozole: the key differences are exe will have irreversible inhibition which means that the body must make new aromatase enzyme where as anastrozole conducts reversible inhibition so the estrogen will come back once they have cleared.
Typical doses of the AI's for exemestane is 12.5mg-25mg but i dont want to completely tank my estrogen so i take 25mg 3x a week and it does the job but this make be different for different people. Anastrozole: 0.125-0.5mg 1-3x per week.

Complete regular bloods to watch your estrogen levels, I find my libido and metabolism is best at 15-30pg/mL but this will vary.
I'm relatively new so any advice is welcome, anything i've missed, post in comments.
 
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w bro also azilsartan is also good combine with a thiazide as well a diff type of arb
 
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w bro also azilsartan is also good combine with a thiazide as well a diff type of arb
I've seen about the synergy but didn't feel too comfortable trying to talk about something that i didnt actually know about, have you tried it? if so: did you find any difficulties in the risk of electrolyte imbalance?
 
Telmisartan, Accutane, Ezetimibe, Eplerenone, Furosemide
 
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I've seen about the synergy but didn't feel too comfortable trying to talk about something that i didnt actually know about, have you tried it? if so: did you find any difficulties in the risk of electrolyte imbalance?
yes i am currently on azilsartan 40mg 12.5mg chlorthalidone 25mg eplerenone yes kind of double blockage of aldosterone however eplerenone is much more efficient not going to lie at these doses you dont see any electrolyte problems i do like to check resting heart rate and whether rhythm feels off or not dont use spiro or most diuretics as they affect androgens far too heavy not selective enough and diuretics are epxensive as shit
 
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yes i am currently on azilsartan 40mg 12.5mg chlorthalidone 25mg eplerenone yes kind of double blockage of aldosterone however eplerenone is much more efficient not going to lie at these doses you dont see any electrolyte problems i do like to check resting heart rate and whether rhythm feels off or not dont use spiro or most diuretics as they affect androgens far too heavy not selective enough and diuretics are epxensive as shit
are you mid cycle aswell? Im thinking of just firming the test for the foreseable future, when im leaning out after the dbol of then going on anavar. Im 5iu HGH, 450 test and will be on 20mg dianabol. Thanks for pharamalogical reply iqcell
 
are you mid cycle aswell? Im thinking of just firming the test for the foreseable future, when im leaning out after the dbol of then going on anavar. Im 5iu HGH, 450 test and will be on 20mg dianabol. Thanks for pharamalogical reply iqcell
im currently on a very odd stack 200mg test e, rad140 12.5mg, 12.5mg yk11 and 25mg mk677 alongside tudca, nac, omega 3, isotretinoin and those diuretics listed im about 2 weeks in id recommend you start with either eplerenone or an arb as ace inhibitors are prone to giving this stupid cough that makes you sound like a crackhead
 
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How good did you find the quality, ive got my AI and PCT coming from there in 2 weeks
same exact thing gang just dont overdo the dose, the mental sides will get to u, also its pretty much impossible to avoid the accutane induced depression so get ready for a few months of being hopless.
 
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im currently on a very odd stack 200mg test e, rad140 12.5mg, 12.5mg yk11 and 25mg mk677 alongside tudca, nac, omega 3, isotretinoin and those diuretics listed im about 2 weeks in id recommend you start with either eplerenone or an arb as ace inhibitors are prone to giving this stupid cough that makes you sound like a crackhead
I've always had the opinion of sarms not being the most optimal for msucle growth. Ive got tudca on the way and am also on the NAC, ill get the eplerenone:)
 
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I've always had the opinion of sarms not being the most optimal for msucle growth. Ive got tudca on the way and am also on the NAC, ill get the eplerenone:)
if im honest sarms net a worse negative compared to positives due to placebos and false goods being far too common however on my first cycle of just rad140 got a 4kg gain in 6 weeks dry im counting after a month or pct after so might not entirely be from those 6 weeks if im going to keep it real
 
same exact thing gang just dont overdo the dose, the mental sides will get to u, also its pretty much impossible to avoid the accutane induced depression so get ready for a few months of being hopless.
okay sound, wish there was a way to stop the retinoid signaling lol
 
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I've always had the opinion of sarms not being the most optimal for msucle growth. Ive got tudca on the way and am also on the NAC, ill get the eplerenone:)
make sure you do take that nac the most tudca i mildly see a point here but nac is very important as well
 
if im honest sarms net a worse negative compared to positives due to placebos and false goods being far too common however on my first cycle of just rad140 got a 4kg gain in 6 weeks dry im counting after a month or pct after so might not entirely be from those 6 weeks if im going to keep it real
Yeah with the number of fakes, i've even seen mk on tiktok lol, which PCT is your go to? But with the placebos, i mean hey, gains are gains
 
make sure you do take that nac the most tudca i mildly see a point here but nac is very important as well
yes, ive got both for the protection of my liver for the dbol and future cycle of anavar
 
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Yeah with the number of fakes, i've even seen mk on tiktok lol, which PCT is your go to? But with the placebos, i mean hey, gains are gains
to be fair ive just been loyal to enclo thats all kind of basic and old fashioned but still works half the time youll just get away with milk thistle lmao
 
yes, ive got both for the protection of my liver for the dbol and future cycle of anavar
anavar very important you take while and on pct due to bile in blood being extremely frequent if you see darker coloured urine stop
 
make sure you do take that nac the most tudca i mildly see a point here but nac is very important as well
careuful with consistent NAC usage, leads to anhedonia
 
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careuful with consistent NAC usage, leads to anhedonia
have heard about that but thought it was rare might look into it further to be fair i only use while on cycle and 30 days off cycle
 
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