Testosterone and craniofacial development.

[Deleted member 11370]

Assuming your in puberty 13-14 [first case] 16-18 [second case]

can u increase your standing in the chart above and if the answer is yes how much?

and how many levels of increasing is realistic 1,2?

also this is for pubertycels.

 

[R@m@]

Yes, but it's mostly genetics/your pheno and pré-natal testosterone

 

[Deleted member 11370]

Yes, but it's mostly genetics/your pheno and pré-natal testosterone

oh so u can't do anything to impact it?

increasing how many levels u go up the chart or try to stop it [for trannies]

 

[Deleted member 6403]

oh so u can't do anything to impact it?

increasing how many levels u go up the chart or try to stop it [for trannies]

U can, ur face can easily change with hgh and T

 

[Deleted member 11370]

U can, ur face can easily change with hgh and T

How long will it take, and what are the levels we are aiming for.

for example can a 16-17 year old see a whole level increase [still puberty ofc]

 

[Deleted member 11370]

tag all high iqcels this could be big.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

Not by much. With pubertal T you mainly get a longer anterior face and thicker eyebrows and lower bodyfat with skin changes, along with some neck girth change. Prenatal T determines these proportions you are talking about, a rough estimate of which you can get with your right hand digit ratio. Pubertal T merely activates these tendencies. Most guys who roid during puberty or shortly after just look aged faster, see people like MorePlatesMoreDates.

Also keep in mind the guy on the far left from age appearance is in his mid teens, the center is early 20s and right is mid 30s. Good luck finding many 20 year olds that look like far right. Faces get bigger with age and the bones don't stop growing, just slow down.

 

[Bewusst]

No, that's almost entirely genetic. You can achieve the cheek hollowness though by getting lean and also tan, lip reduction and grow a 5 o'clock shadow or very short stubble to look slightly more like the version on the right. For significant jaw changes you'll need surgery unfortunately. Masseter hypertrophy may help somewhat but depends on your genes as well and may not look the way you want it to

 

[DrTony]

Cor

Not by much. With pubertal T you mainly get a longer anterior face and thicker eyebrows and lower bodyfat with skin changes, along with some neck girth change. Prenatal T determines these proportions you are talking about, a rough estimate of which you can get with your right hand digit ratio. Pubertal T merely activates these tendencies. Most guys who roid during puberty or shortly after just look aged faster, see people like MorePlatesMoreDates.

Also keep in mind the guy on the far left from age appearance is in his mid teens, the center is early 20s and right is mid 30s. Good luck finding many 20 year olds that look like far right. Faces get bigger with age and the bones don't stop growing, just slow down.

Correct response. Your genetic blueprint dictates facial structure and can be influenced morpholocially during certain gestational periods under the influence of androgens in the womb. (You have zero control over either of these). Testosterone from puberty onwards have little effect

 

[Babushkacatlady]

Cor

Correct response. Your genetic blueprint dictates facial structure and can be influenced morpholocially during certain gestational periods under the influence of androgens in the womb. (You have zero control over either of these). Testosterone from puberty onwards have little effect

Usually prenatal and pubertal testosterone are correlated, unless there is suboptimal enviroment either way. Your prenatal testosterone just like pubertal testosterone is mainly produced by your own testes and after the y chromosome genes are used to signal testosterone production. A mother's hormone levels can have some impact but not too much because of the placental barrier. Androgen receptor sensitivity comes from the X chromosome and while there is some variation genetically a lot of androgen receptor downregulation outside the womb happens due to hyperdopaminergic stimuli and phytoestrogens and of course being a fatso.

 

[DrTony]

You

Usually prenatal and pubertal testosterone are correlated, unless there is suboptimal enviroment either way. Your prenatal testosterone just like pubertal testosterone is mainly produced by your own testes and after the y chromosome genes are used to signal testosterone production. A mother's hormone levels can have some impact but not too much because of the placental barrier. Androgen receptor sensitivity comes from the X chromosome and while there is some variation genetically a lot of androgen receptor downregulation outside the womb happens due to hyperdopaminergic stimuli and phytoestrogens and of course being a fatso.

You have a poor understanding of biology, genetics and and developmental biology. There are over 250 SNPs genetically that control androgenic signaling (from receptor, transactivation, local metabolism etc). Also hormones have different effects depending on developmental windows. Different developmental windows come with different accessibility in the chromatin architecture.

 

[vitaminD3]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does that mean using HGH will stimulate facial growth during puberty? Like the bone structure of the nose, jaw, etc? What if you take Aromatase inhibitors like a lot of people do on the forum when taking with HGH? Are the results the same or different?

 

[Babushkacatlady]

You

You have a poor understanding of biology, genetics and and developmental biology. There are over 250 SNPs genetically that control androgenic signaling (from receptor, transactivation, local metabolism etc). Also hormones have different effects depending on developmental windows. Different developmental windows come with different accessibility in the chromatin architecture.

Interesting, my knowledge is very limited on each of the SNPs and chromatin architecture. Most of my knowledge is pretty surface level with hormone ratios and agonism/antagonism along with some epigenetic factos. Any literature you'd recommend for learning more on this topic? And if one were to have a child, what would you recommend to fully optimize these things in their proper developmental windows?

 

[AscendingHero]

Interesting, my knowledge is very limited on each of the SNPs and chromatin architecture. Most of my knowledge is pretty surface level with hormone ratios and agonism/antagonism along with some epigenetic factos. Any literature you'd recommend for learning more on this topic? And if one were to have a child, what would you recommend to fully optimize these things in their proper developmental windows?

@DrTony

 

[Deleted member 17429]

Interesting, my knowledge is very limited on each of the SNPs and chromatin architecture. Most of my knowledge is pretty surface level with hormone ratios and agonism/antagonism along with some epigenetic factos. Any literature you'd recommend for learning more on this topic? And if one were to have a child, what would you recommend to fully optimize these things in their proper developmental windows?

boomp