The Anatomy of Eye Color

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This'll serve as an auxiliary thread to that of "The Science Behind: STRŌMA". Felt like the anatomy section wasn't quite as elaborate as it should've been, especially since it plays a huge part in the results of the treatment. To begin with...

The Iris
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The iris, the colored part of the eye that surrounds the pupil, plays an important role in both regulating light intake and creating the distinctive colors that make each individual's eyes unique.

Beyond its aesthetic appeal, the iris serves another important function: it controls the amount of light entering the eye. Sorta like the aperture of a camera. This delicate balance of light is important for optimal vision.

But to understand how the iris performs this dual function, we'll need to examine its structure.

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The iris is composed of three distinct layers, each with a specific role to play:

Anterior Border Layer
The outermost layer, the anterior border layer, is composed of a delicate network of cells and fibers. This layer contributes to the iris's intricate texture and patterns, giving it a unique appearance. However, it's relatively transparent and doesn't significantly influence the color we perceive.

Stroma
The middle layer, the stroma, is the key to understanding eye color. This layer contains specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment that primarily determines eye color.

Posterior Iris Pigment Epithelium (IPE)
The innermost layer of the iris, the IPE, is densely packed with pigment. It acts as a light-absorbing layer, preventing light from scattering within the eye and ensuring a clear image forms on the retina.

The Stroma's Role​

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The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, plays a central role in determining eye color. It consists of a knotty network of collagen fibers and specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment responsible for the range of eye colors observed in humans.

Melanin exists in two primary forms:
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Eumelanin: This pigment is responsible for brown and black coloration.
Pheomelanin: This pigment contributes reddish-yellow hues to the iris.

It's the relative amounts and distribution of these two types of melanin, combined with the structural characteristics of the stroma, that determine the final eye color.

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The Tyndall Effect and Stromal Structure
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This effect describes how light scatters when it passes through a colloid—a substance containing tiny particles dispersed throughout another medium.

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In the iris, the collagen fibers within the stroma act as those tiny scattering particles. When light enters the eye, it interacts with these fibers, causing the light to scatter. Importantly, the Tyndall effect causes shorter wavelengths of light, particularly blue, to scatter more strongly than longer wavelengths.

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This is analogous to why the sky appears blue. Sunlight, containing the full spectrum of colors, interacts with particles in the atmosphere. The blue wavelengths are scattered more, making the sky appear blue to our eyes.

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Stromal Structure

Okay, so as we've established: the stroma is not a uniform layer; it possesses a special structure composed of collagen fibers. The varying thickness and density of these fibers affect the scattering of light, thereby influencing our perception of color. Now let's go by each eye color one by one.

Eye Color and Stromal Characteristics
Brown Eyes
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Brown eyes are characterized by a high concentration of eumelanin within the stroma. This dense pigmentation absorbs a big portion of the light entering the eye, resulting in a dark brown appearance. Brown eyes often have a thicker and denser stroma, further contributing to the limited light scattering and darker hue.


Blue Eyes
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Blue eyes have a much lower concentration of melanin, primarily pheomelanin, and a thinner, less dense stroma. This allows more blue light to scatter through the Tyndall effect, resulting in a blue hue.

Interestingly, even within the category of "blue eyes," there's a wide range of shades, from the palest ice blue to deep, almost violet-blue hues. These variations are primarily due to differences in the density and structure of the stroma, even among people with low melanin concentrations.

A slightly thicker or denser stroma, even with minimal pigment, can scatter light more intensely, creating a darker, more intense blue. Conversely, a very thin and loosely packed stroma might result in a lighter, almost translucent blue. Other factors, mentioned before, such as the scattering of light from the IPE and variations in the anterior border layer's texture, also contribute.

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Green/Hazel Eyes
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Green and hazel eyes typically contain a mixture of eumelanin and pheomelanin. The relative amounts of these pigments, along with variations in stromal density and light scattering, create the unique range of green and hazel shades you see.


Grey Eyes
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Grey eyes are similar to blue eyes but with even less melanin and a thinner stroma. The grey color results from the scattering of light off the collagen fibers, which absorb minimal light.

Myth: Eye Color and Night Vision

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A myth I've seen floating around is that people with lighter eyes see better in the dark.

Night vision is, however, determined by the retina's ability to adapt to low light, not iris color. The retina becomes more sensitive in darkness, allowing us to see in dim conditions. A lighter iris might let in slightly more light, but this difference is negligible.

In fact, more light scattering within a lighter iris can even worsen vision by creating glare. The heavily pigmented layer at the back of everyone's iris (except in albinism) absorbs most light anyway, regardless of iris color.

The Limbal Ring​

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Opposite to what some of you might think, the limbal ring isn't a separate structure. It's a zone of transition, a visual effect created by the arrangement of tissues at the junction of the cornea and sclera.

Corneal Limbus
The limbal ring's location coincides with the corneal limbus, a specialized region where the cornea's clear tissue transitions into the sclera's opaque white tissue.

Stromal Density
The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, extends slightly into the limbal region. The arrangement and density of collagen fibers in this area differ from the rest of the stroma, creating a subtle change in light scattering.

Melanin Concentration
The limbal region, ofc, also tends to have a higher concentration of melanin, especially in younger people. This increased pigmentation contributes to the limbal ring's darker appearance.
 
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t50 = death
 
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I don't even wear contacts anymore too much work I have just accepted that it is over
 
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how do i make my children have a10 eyes sir?
 
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ur white just marry a girl with blue eyes and your kids will have them
 
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how do i make my children have a10 eyes sir?
Apply formaldehyde and bleach to her pussy, then cum in it for your children to have a10 eyes saar. :feelskek:
 
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Hazel eyes are so aggravating, I can see the potential towards the outside of my iris but then my pupil is just surrounded by shit
 
So many words to tell that melanin matters :lul:
 
why does all laser depig providers all result in a dark blue with t50cels, is there a limit to removing the density? how do we get those sweet sweet a10's 🙏

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Nigga just eat raw meat to get blue eyes kill just yourself now or think its a lie by jews
 
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why does all laser depig providers all result in a dark blue with t50cels, is there a limit to removing the density? how do we get those sweet sweet a10's 🙏

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It's likely a combination of factors. Even though the laser targets the pigment, it might not be able to zap away all of it. There could be technical limitations, or maybe some pigment is just harder to reach without risking damage to your eye.

But then there's also the stroma. Even without pigment, a thicker, denser stroma can still make the eye look darker because it scatters light differently. It's like the difference between a thick fog and a thin mist - even if they're both made of water droplets, they scatter light differently.

It could genuinely be that those with naturally blue eyes, as opposed to those with brown eyes, inherited structural differences in their iris beyond just pigment variation. For example, those with brown eyes might typically possess a thicker and denser stroma.

Also, everyone heals differently. Some people might naturally hold onto more pigment even after the treatment. It's like how some people tan easily while others burn.

To get those lighter blues, we might need even better laser tech that can target pigment more precisely and remove it more effectively.

We also need more research to figure out how to tailor the treatment to each person's unique eyes. And who knows, maybe someday we'll even figure out how to adjust the stroma itself to get that perfect shade.
 
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It's likely a combination of factors. Even though the laser targets the pigment, it might not be able to zap away all of it. There could be technical limitations, or maybe some pigment is just harder to reach without risking damage to your eye.

But then there's also the stroma. Even without pigment, a thicker, denser stroma can still make the eye look darker because it scatters light differently. It's like the difference between a thick fog and a thin mist - even if they're both made of water droplets, they scatter light differently.

It could genuinely be that those with naturally blue eyes, as opposed to those with brown eyes, inherited structural differences in their iris beyond just pigment variation. For example, those with brown eyes might typically possess a thicker and denser stroma.

Also, everyone heals differently. Some people might naturally hold onto more pigment even after the treatment. It's like how some people tan easily while others burn.

To get those lighter blues, we might need even better laser tech that can target pigment more precisely and remove it more effectively.

We also need more research to figure out how to tailor the treatment to each person's unique eyes. And who knows, maybe someday we'll even figure out how to adjust the stroma itself to get that perfect shade.
so right now we are fucked

why dont we get a large group of productive .org members and actually research lol, i'd be a volunteer
 
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so right now we are fucked
Basically, yes. I've seen tons of people mention other companies under my STROMA threads, but it's like, none of those providers have achieved a result indistinguishable from a natural blue eye yet.
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That despite the frauding that they do, their unknown long/short-term safety profile and God knows what else.
why dont we get a large group of productive .org members and actually research lol, i'd be a volunteer
There's enough theoretical research, or basis already. We need clinical trials, long-term safety studies, better-engineered lasers, etc. all practical stuff, but that requires money and competency.
 
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Basically, yes. I've seen tons of people mention other companies under my STROMA threads, but it's like, none of those providers have achieved a result indistinguishable from a natural blue eye yet.
right, and the only thing separating the natural blue is the density of the stroma

There's enough theoretical research, or basis already. We need clinical trials, long-term safety studies, better-engineered lasers, etc. all practical stuff, but that requires money and competency.
just how much money is needed? also what is required for a clinical trial, theoretically why couldn't someone fund stroma into further development at a rapid rate?
 
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it seems like the fundamental principle is the stroma density, it will determine nearly everything about removing pigmentation

developments should now focus from the pigmentation to stroma (all the perspective of a random person who had a brief overview of course lol)

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right, and the only thing separating the natural blue is the density of the stroma
Pretty much, but I suspect there's another reason the results fail to mimic natural blue eyes.

It's very possible that some people with naturally brown eyes have pigment not only in the easily targeted top layers of the stroma but also in deeper layers. This deeper pigment, while not visible before treatment, could still influence the final color outcome after laser treatment.
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Even with the top layers of pigment removed, these deeper layers could create a "filtering" effect, leading to a darker, less vibrant blue.

The challenge lies in reaching these deeper layers safely. Current laser technology might not be able to penetrate that deeply without risking damage to other structures within the iris or even the delicate tissues behind it.

Now, there are various reasons why targeting deeper pigment would be very challenging...

First of all, the laser penetration depth. Existing lasers might not have the penetration depth required to reach those deeper stromal layers effectively.

Then there's thermal damage, which I mentioned in my other thread. The laser's energy could cause excessive heating and damage to sensitive iris structures if focused too deeply.

Lastly, collagen degradation, the laser could potentially degrade the collagen fibers within the stroma, leading to unintended consequences for the iris's structure and/or overall appearance.
just how much money is needed? also what is required for a clinical trial, theoretically why couldn't someone fund stroma into further development at a rapid rate?
Tens of millions, no doubt.

STROMA has already raised millions at this point, and look at where we're at. This is no doubt, partly the fault of incompetence and improper execution but at the same time, it's brand-new technology.

The R&D, regulatory approval, technology development, intellectual property, legal fees, manufacturing, etc. will all individually cost millions of dollars.

Now imagine if there's a big setback, and there's a big safety concern with the laser. That very well could be the end of the entire company right there. It happens to new drugs in development all the time. Millions pumped in, lots of potential, a big setback, and there go all the investors.

Then, there's the commercial viability of the procedure.

Fact is, all the companies on the market today, generally require you to take several treatments, maybe up to five, or more to get the "desired" results. If all their research points to the fact that there's no way to safely depigment, in one or two treatments... Either because it releases too much pigment into the iris for the macrophages (eye cleaners) to digest and eliminate (which would increase the eye pressure too much) or whatever else, then there's a big problem.

For one, the more treatments, the more the cost for the patient becomes prohibitively high, limiting their market. Two, if even one treatment carries a significant risk, requiring multiple treatments would amplify that risk, making it less appealing to patients and increasing liability for providers. Three, multiple treatment sessions, spaced weeks apart, require a serious time commitment from the patient. This would be a deterrent for those seeking a quick and convenient solution.

There's no point bringing something to market where you'd have to treat the patient 15 times to properly emulate a natural blue eye.

The commercial success of laser eye color change technology hinges on striking a balance between efficacy, safety, and affordability. If the procedure is too expensive, time-consuming, or risky, it's unlikely to gain widespread acceptance, regardless of its potential appeal.
 
Pretty much, but I suspect there's another reason the results fail to mimic natural blue eyes.

It's very possible that some people with naturally brown eyes have pigment not only in the easily targeted top layers of the stroma but also in deeper layers. This deeper pigment, while not visible before treatment, could still influence the final color outcome after laser treatment.
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Even with the top layers of pigment removed, these deeper layers could create a "filtering" effect, leading to a darker, less vibrant blue.

The challenge lies in reaching these deeper layers safely. Current laser technology might not be able to penetrate that deeply without risking damage to other structures within the iris or even the delicate tissues behind it.

Now, there are various reasons why targeting deeper pigment would be very challenging...

First of all, the laser penetration depth. Existing lasers might not have the penetration depth required to reach those deeper stromal layers effectively.

Then there's thermal damage, which I mentioned in my other thread. The laser's energy could cause excessive heating and damage to sensitive iris structures if focused too deeply.

Lastly, collagen degradation, the laser could potentially degrade the collagen fibers within the stroma, leading to unintended consequences for the iris's structure and/or overall appearance.

Tens of millions, no doubt.

STROMA has already raised millions at this point, and look at where we're at. This is no doubt, partly the fault of incompetence and improper execution but at the same time, it's brand-new technology.

The R&D, regulatory approval, technology development, intellectual property, legal fees, manufacturing, etc. will all individually cost millions of dollars.

Now imagine if there's a big setback, and there's a big safety concern with the laser. That very well could be the end of the entire company right there. It happens to new drugs in development all the time. Millions pumped in, lots of potential, a big setback, and there go all the investors.

Then, there's the commercial viability of the procedure.

Fact is, all the companies on the market today, generally require you to take several treatments, maybe up to five, or more to get the "desired" results. If all their research points to the fact that there's no way to safely depigment, in one or two treatments... Either because it releases too much pigment into the iris for the macrophages (eye cleaners) to digest and eliminate (which would increase the eye pressure too much) or whatever else, then there's a big problem.

For one, the more treatments, the more the cost for the patient becomes prohibitively high, limiting their market. Two, if even one treatment carries a significant risk, requiring multiple treatments would amplify that risk, making it less appealing to patients and increasing liability for providers. Three, multiple treatment sessions, spaced weeks apart, require a serious time commitment from the patient. This would be a deterrent for those seeking a quick and convenient solution.

There's no point bringing something to market where you'd have to treat the patient 15 times to properly emulate a natural blue eye.

The commercial success of laser eye color change technology hinges on striking a balance between efficacy, safety, and affordability. If the procedure is too expensive, time-consuming, or risky, it's unlikely to gain widespread acceptance, regardless of its potential appeal.
its a very unfortunate race against time

thank you for this very lengthy and thoughtful reply, i don't entirely know what to say since i have an overview on the topic to reply with something as big ( i truly do appreciate it !! )

the only thing we can do is have a bunch of productive and adaptive people from here to team up and try to do this???? meh just a cope

how long would you think it would take before anything natural/light blue from stroma or any other companies, they dont seem in a rush really, all we can hope for is sometime in the next 1-3 years (probably really naive to think this)
 
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its a very unfortunate race against time

thank you for this very lengthy and thoughtful reply, i don't entirely know what to say since i have an overview on the topic to reply with something as big ( i truly do appreciate it !! )

the only thing we can do is have a bunch of productive and adaptive people from here to team up and try to do this???? meh just a cope

how long would you think it would take before anything natural/light blue from stroma or any other companies, they dont seem in a rush really, all we can hope for is sometime in the next 1-3 years (probably really naive to think this)
STROMA I don't expect a widespread commercial release before 2028-30, in the past I genuinely thought it'd only take a couple years, but having gone through their patents, I think there's too much road still left to be paved. Hope I'm proven wrong, but I doubt it.

As for the others, I'm not so sure. The question is whether they'd be capable of inching closer and closer to a more natural look, without also increasing the risk of complications.

The other companies are released in developing countries with laxer regulations for a reason. In any case, coping with contacts seems inevitable for the next few years.
 
STROMA I don't expect a widespread commercial release before 2028-30, in the past I genuinely thought it'd only take a couple years, but having gone through their patents, I think there's too much road still left to be paved. Hope I'm proven wrong, but I doubt it.

As for the others, I'm not so sure. The question is whether they'd be capable of inching closer and closer to a more natural look, without also increasing the risk of complications.

The other companies are released in developing countries with laxer regulations for a reason. In any case, coping with contacts seems inevitable for the next few years.
oh brotherrrr jesus christ

are realistic contacts even all that?
 
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This'll serve as an auxiliary thread to that of "The Science Behind: STRŌMA". Felt like the anatomy section wasn't quite as elaborate as it should've been, especially since it plays a huge part in the results of the treatment. To begin with...

The Iris
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The iris, the colored part of the eye that surrounds the pupil, plays an important role in both regulating light intake and creating the distinctive colors that make each individual's eyes unique.

Beyond its aesthetic appeal, the iris serves another important function: it controls the amount of light entering the eye. Sorta like the aperture of a camera. This delicate balance of light is important for optimal vision.

But to understand how the iris performs this dual function, we'll need to examine its structure.

View attachment 3174713View attachment 3174714


The iris is composed of three distinct layers, each with a specific role to play:

Anterior Border Layer
The outermost layer, the anterior border layer, is composed of a delicate network of cells and fibers. This layer contributes to the iris's intricate texture and patterns, giving it a unique appearance. However, it's relatively transparent and doesn't significantly influence the color we perceive.

Stroma
The middle layer, the stroma, is the key to understanding eye color. This layer contains specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment that primarily determines eye color.

Posterior Iris Pigment Epithelium (IPE)
The innermost layer of the iris, the IPE, is densely packed with pigment. It acts as a light-absorbing layer, preventing light from scattering within the eye and ensuring a clear image forms on the retina.

The Stroma's Role​

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The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, plays a central role in determining eye color. It consists of a knotty network of collagen fibers and specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment responsible for the range of eye colors observed in humans.

Melanin exists in two primary forms:
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Eumelanin: This pigment is responsible for brown and black coloration.
Pheomelanin: This pigment contributes reddish-yellow hues to the iris.

It's the relative amounts and distribution of these two types of melanin, combined with the structural characteristics of the stroma, that determine the final eye color.

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The Tyndall Effect and Stromal Structure
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This effect describes how light scatters when it passes through a colloid—a substance containing tiny particles dispersed throughout another medium.

View attachment 3174692View attachment 3174695

In the iris, the collagen fibers within the stroma act as those tiny scattering particles. When light enters the eye, it interacts with these fibers, causing the light to scatter. Importantly, the Tyndall effect causes shorter wavelengths of light, particularly blue, to scatter more strongly than longer wavelengths.

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This is analogous to why the sky appears blue. Sunlight, containing the full spectrum of colors, interacts with particles in the atmosphere. The blue wavelengths are scattered more, making the sky appear blue to our eyes.

View attachment 3174694View attachment 3174703

Stromal Structure

Okay, so as we've established: the stroma is not a uniform layer; it possesses a special structure composed of collagen fibers. The varying thickness and density of these fibers affect the scattering of light, thereby influencing our perception of color. Now let's go by each eye color one by one.

Eye Color and Stromal Characteristics
Brown Eyes
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Brown eyes are characterized by a high concentration of eumelanin within the stroma. This dense pigmentation absorbs a big portion of the light entering the eye, resulting in a dark brown appearance. Brown eyes often have a thicker and denser stroma, further contributing to the limited light scattering and darker hue.


Blue Eyes
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Blue eyes have a much lower concentration of melanin, primarily pheomelanin, and a thinner, less dense stroma. This allows more blue light to scatter through the Tyndall effect, resulting in a blue hue.

Interestingly, even within the category of "blue eyes," there's a wide range of shades, from the palest ice blue to deep, almost violet-blue hues. These variations are primarily due to differences in the density and structure of the stroma, even among people with low melanin concentrations.

A slightly thicker or denser stroma, even with minimal pigment, can scatter light more intensely, creating a darker, more intense blue. Conversely, a very thin and loosely packed stroma might result in a lighter, almost translucent blue. Other factors, mentioned before, such as the scattering of light from the IPE and variations in the anterior border layer's texture, also contribute.

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Green/Hazel Eyes
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Green and hazel eyes typically contain a mixture of eumelanin and pheomelanin. The relative amounts of these pigments, along with variations in stromal density and light scattering, create the unique range of green and hazel shades you see.


Grey Eyes
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Grey eyes are similar to blue eyes but with even less melanin and a thinner stroma. The grey color results from the scattering of light off the collagen fibers, which absorb minimal light.

Myth: Eye Color and Night Vision

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A myth I've seen floating around is that people with lighter eyes see better in the dark.

Night vision is, however, determined by the retina's ability to adapt to low light, not iris color. The retina becomes more sensitive in darkness, allowing us to see in dim conditions. A lighter iris might let in slightly more light, but this difference is negligible.

In fact, more light scattering within a lighter iris can even worsen vision by creating glare. The heavily pigmented layer at the back of everyone's iris (except in albinism) absorbs most light anyway, regardless of iris color.

The Limbal Ring​

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Opposite to what some of you might think, the limbal ring isn't a separate structure. It's a zone of transition, a visual effect created by the arrangement of tissues at the junction of the cornea and sclera.

Corneal Limbus
The limbal ring's location coincides with the corneal limbus, a specialized region where the cornea's clear tissue transitions into the sclera's opaque white tissue.

Stromal Density
The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, extends slightly into the limbal region. The arrangement and density of collagen fibers in this area differ from the rest of the stroma, creating a subtle change in light scattering.

Melanin Concentration
The limbal region, ofc, also tends to have a higher concentration of melanin, especially in younger people. This increased pigmentation contributes to the limbal ring's darker appearance.
time to get stroma surgery
 
This'll serve as an auxiliary thread to that of "The Science Behind: STRŌMA". Felt like the anatomy section wasn't quite as elaborate as it should've been, especially since it plays a huge part in the results of the treatment. To begin with...

The Iris
View attachment 3174682

The iris, the colored part of the eye that surrounds the pupil, plays an important role in both regulating light intake and creating the distinctive colors that make each individual's eyes unique.

Beyond its aesthetic appeal, the iris serves another important function: it controls the amount of light entering the eye. Sorta like the aperture of a camera. This delicate balance of light is important for optimal vision.

But to understand how the iris performs this dual function, we'll need to examine its structure.

View attachment 3174713View attachment 3174714


The iris is composed of three distinct layers, each with a specific role to play:

Anterior Border Layer
The outermost layer, the anterior border layer, is composed of a delicate network of cells and fibers. This layer contributes to the iris's intricate texture and patterns, giving it a unique appearance. However, it's relatively transparent and doesn't significantly influence the color we perceive.

Stroma
The middle layer, the stroma, is the key to understanding eye color. This layer contains specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment that primarily determines eye color.

Posterior Iris Pigment Epithelium (IPE)
The innermost layer of the iris, the IPE, is densely packed with pigment. It acts as a light-absorbing layer, preventing light from scattering within the eye and ensuring a clear image forms on the retina.

The Stroma's Role​

View attachment 3174716

The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, plays a central role in determining eye color. It consists of a knotty network of collagen fibers and specialized pigment-producing cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes synthesize melanin, the pigment responsible for the range of eye colors observed in humans.

Melanin exists in two primary forms:
View attachment 3174723

Eumelanin: This pigment is responsible for brown and black coloration.
Pheomelanin: This pigment contributes reddish-yellow hues to the iris.

It's the relative amounts and distribution of these two types of melanin, combined with the structural characteristics of the stroma, that determine the final eye color.

View attachment 3174737

The Tyndall Effect and Stromal Structure
View attachment 3174690

This effect describes how light scatters when it passes through a colloid—a substance containing tiny particles dispersed throughout another medium.

View attachment 3174692View attachment 3174695

In the iris, the collagen fibers within the stroma act as those tiny scattering particles. When light enters the eye, it interacts with these fibers, causing the light to scatter. Importantly, the Tyndall effect causes shorter wavelengths of light, particularly blue, to scatter more strongly than longer wavelengths.

View attachment 3174693

This is analogous to why the sky appears blue. Sunlight, containing the full spectrum of colors, interacts with particles in the atmosphere. The blue wavelengths are scattered more, making the sky appear blue to our eyes.

View attachment 3174694View attachment 3174703

Stromal Structure

Okay, so as we've established: the stroma is not a uniform layer; it possesses a special structure composed of collagen fibers. The varying thickness and density of these fibers affect the scattering of light, thereby influencing our perception of color. Now let's go by each eye color one by one.

Eye Color and Stromal Characteristics
Brown Eyes
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Brown eyes are characterized by a high concentration of eumelanin within the stroma. This dense pigmentation absorbs a big portion of the light entering the eye, resulting in a dark brown appearance. Brown eyes often have a thicker and denser stroma, further contributing to the limited light scattering and darker hue.


Blue Eyes
View attachment 3174706


Blue eyes have a much lower concentration of melanin, primarily pheomelanin, and a thinner, less dense stroma. This allows more blue light to scatter through the Tyndall effect, resulting in a blue hue.

Interestingly, even within the category of "blue eyes," there's a wide range of shades, from the palest ice blue to deep, almost violet-blue hues. These variations are primarily due to differences in the density and structure of the stroma, even among people with low melanin concentrations.

A slightly thicker or denser stroma, even with minimal pigment, can scatter light more intensely, creating a darker, more intense blue. Conversely, a very thin and loosely packed stroma might result in a lighter, almost translucent blue. Other factors, mentioned before, such as the scattering of light from the IPE and variations in the anterior border layer's texture, also contribute.

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Green/Hazel Eyes
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Green and hazel eyes typically contain a mixture of eumelanin and pheomelanin. The relative amounts of these pigments, along with variations in stromal density and light scattering, create the unique range of green and hazel shades you see.


Grey Eyes
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Grey eyes are similar to blue eyes but with even less melanin and a thinner stroma. The grey color results from the scattering of light off the collagen fibers, which absorb minimal light.

Myth: Eye Color and Night Vision

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A myth I've seen floating around is that people with lighter eyes see better in the dark.

Night vision is, however, determined by the retina's ability to adapt to low light, not iris color. The retina becomes more sensitive in darkness, allowing us to see in dim conditions. A lighter iris might let in slightly more light, but this difference is negligible.

In fact, more light scattering within a lighter iris can even worsen vision by creating glare. The heavily pigmented layer at the back of everyone's iris (except in albinism) absorbs most light anyway, regardless of iris color.

The Limbal Ring​

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Opposite to what some of you might think, the limbal ring isn't a separate structure. It's a zone of transition, a visual effect created by the arrangement of tissues at the junction of the cornea and sclera.

Corneal Limbus
The limbal ring's location coincides with the corneal limbus, a specialized region where the cornea's clear tissue transitions into the sclera's opaque white tissue.

Stromal Density
The stroma, the middle layer of the iris, extends slightly into the limbal region. The arrangement and density of collagen fibers in this area differ from the rest of the stroma, creating a subtle change in light scattering.

Melanin Concentration
The limbal region, ofc, also tends to have a higher concentration of melanin, especially in younger people. This increased pigmentation contributes to the limbal ring's darker appearance.
i have gray eyes
 
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oh brotherrrr jesus christ

are realistic contacts even all that?
There are good ones and bad ones. All the ones without limbal rings, I wouldn't even consider, will just look artificial.

Contacts that are meant to emulate very light eyes will probably look worse though, because those eyes are created due to a lack of pigment, so a blue contact will not mimic that correctly.

The best bet is to get something hazel-ish.
 
How often do you have to wear sunglasses because of bright sunlight?
i don’t go outside much but it’s horrible, i don’t wear sunglasses but my eyes hurt
 
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why does all laser depig providers all result in a dark blue with t50cels, is there a limit to removing the density? how do we get those sweet sweet a10's 🙏

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I never saw anyone get the A10 from laser and I looked at every company that does it

And I would say they all end up as gray color rather than blue, how light the color turns out depends mostly on how many sessions you do, the darker the color, the more sessions you need for good results

And as @Alexanderr has said it's not just the melanin that the color depends on, it's also the thickness, the structure and how the light reflects when it hits the eye


Btw in most cases you will see residue of brown color near the middle, this is because they purposely avoid the pupil as to not damage it
 
I never saw anyone get the A10 from laser and I looked at every company that does it

And I would say they all end up as gray color rather than blue, how light the color turns out depends mostly on how many sessions you do, the darker the color, the more sessions you need for good results

And as @Alexanderr has said it's not just the melanin that the color depends on, it's also the thickness, the structure and how the light reflects when it hits the eye


Btw in most cases you will see residue of brown color near the middle, this is because they purposely avoid the pupil as to not damage it
yeah, thats the part where it's useless to get them as of now, there need to be better lasers that handles the density of the stroma & does it more effectively. our best hope to get it anytime soon is to get alot of productive people here to do it but even that is not going to happen
 
seems like a high iq
 
T50 cel FUAAAAAARK:feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy:.
 
There are good ones and bad ones. All the ones without limbal rings, I wouldn't even consider, will just look artificial.

Contacts that are meant to emulate very light eyes will probably look worse though, because those eyes are created due to a lack of pigment, so a blue contact will not mimic that correctly.

The best bet is to get something hazel-ish.
getting so desperate im asking other laser depig companies lol

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yeah, thats the part where it's useless to get them as of now, there need to be better lasers that handles the density of the stroma & does it more effectively. our best hope to get it anytime soon is to get alot of productive people here to do it but even that is not going to happen
All I know is for the moment the best choice seems mexico, that's where I will go
 
All I know is for the moment the best choice seems mexico, that's where I will go
nah dont do it, if you have alot of melanin dont bother, it will be a unrealistic dull grey-blue
 
nah dont do it, if you have alot of melanin dont bother, it will be a unrealistic dull grey-blue
Well that's still better than what I have which are T50, you literally can't see the difference between the pupil and the iris, that's how dark my eyes are
 
Well that's still better than what I have which are T50, you literally can't see the difference between the pupil and the iris, that's how dark my eyes are
rip holy fuck, the best option for you would be yuex than
 
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rip holy fuck, the best option for you would be yuex than
Yeah, that's actually the one I plan to go to, I have it bookmarked, from what I saw they have the best results

And I was planning to do one eye first in case something goes wrong, but it seems they have a lot of satisfied patients
 
Yeah, that's actually the one I plan to go to, I have it bookmarked, from what I saw they have the best results

And I was planning to do one eye first in case something goes wrong, but it seems they have a lot of satisfied patients

looking back actually yeah they seem to have better results than any others


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@Alexanderr

if u can remove some melanin before the yuex treatment some light t40 or chocolate eyes maybe get somelike like a10 (just with a bit of brown residue)

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And consistent too when you look at different photos so at least that's some extra credibility
actually i thought i was doomed but this is kinda hopefuel
 
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