LilJojo
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The final stage of red pill is either:
1-3: Lefort 10
4-7 PS
8+ dgaf, stop posting here and carry on.
This is for the 4-7 people here.
Midface ratio > eyes > skin > hair > chin >> cheek bones > jawline > nose >> lips > ears
Some shortcomings the regular Looks Maxing guy has is they wear the wrong colors and pluck their eyebrows with a feminine arch instead of a straight line, they also have the money for PS but dont know that they could benefit from it simply because they are aesthetically undiscerning and also they dont know about custom implants, bone restructuring or oculoplastic surgery. It can also be because people, particularly women will not willingly make a friend feel bad about themselves when the guy asks for surgery suggestions.
PS to most people is just a nose job or tit implants, or anti ageing such as botox and a full face lift, ironically all these procedures are low-medium in the tier of cosmetic surgery.
We will go top down on looks maxing, this will vary in dedication from expected and simple stuff such as trimming hair to insanely forking out $50,000 for Leg Lift surgery.
HEAD HAIR
Head hair is extremely important to overall appeal, it is the ONLY 1 area where it alone will change your looks rating by 1-2 points. You should at least pay attention to it as taking pride in your appearance without being vain is considered the ideal attitude.
If you have little to no hair you can get scalp micropigmentation.
If you are NW2 or less you can use minoxidil + nizoral shampoo.
I suggest taking photos of your hair line every 6 months to check if you are balding to tackle it early.
If you are NW3 or more get a hair transplant where they replant hair from the back of your head elsewhere. Buy an under construction hat during recovery.
Hair should complement your head, If you have a tall or broad forehead, cover it up a bit, if you have a long midface, show as much of your forehead as you can even through cropping your hairline a bit, you should also have good body to the sides to both give your head some width and also to distract from the long midface, so get those mutton chops growing.
The hairline should be straight and not have a widows point, the appearance of the whole hairline should be a squared appearance unlike the rounded appearance in a female.
Contrast is important to looks, if you have 2 tone hair dye it all the one color, usually the darkest of the 2 tone, depending on what looks more NATURAL, dont cheap out on the dye and perhaps get it done at a good hairdresser.
If you have frizzy/curly hair you can spike it up using a GHD hair straightener and a strong wax. The strongest wax you can use is Murrays hair wax, It gets broken down by baby or cooking oil which then must be shampooed out, it is extremely high maintenance but will guarantee noticeably more IOIs.
If you can get away with natural looking hair then this is good, dont use any products that are visually obvious such as gel. Shampoo your hair only once a week before the weekend and towel dry it. If you have a shitty greasy or flaky scalp use head and shoulders. Otherwise Garnier fructis is good imo, shampoo should not smell too fruity or feminine.
While manga hair is somehow okay, Dont have a huge asymmetrical haircut or be flamboyant with pointed sideburns unless you are 8+.
SKIN
Skin is of high tier importance.
You should only use a moisture bar and not soap to wash your face. If you have blackheads these need to be cleaned out with strips, do not scrub too hard with exfoliators as it will leave your skin red. If normal products fail see a dermatologist with a speciality/interest in cosmetics. Do not get laser resurfacing for large pores.
Forget melanotan, eat 5 carrots a day or take a beta-carotene supplement, 7mg is about 1 carrot. Fish oil and secondly olive oil also helps a lot. You should wash your face with a moisturiser twice a day. You should also get a decent amount of sun. If you want a good tan I recommend using reef coconut oil.
You should get any moles and blemishes taken care of by a dermatologist especially if you have them all over your face. Get rid of them even on your neck.
A random large pimple can be covered with concealer.
You should always wash your face after you sweat if you have a problem with pimples. Or in a dusty, dirty environment if you have a problem with blackheads.
If you smoke it is highly recommended you quit and replace it with Swedish snus, or snuff, snuff is excellent for court jester game. Forget nicotine replacement its shit by comparison.
Coating your face in a thin layer of vaseline before bed has been shown to be good for the skin, it is hypoallergenic and does not clog pores.
Retin-A is very good for skin quality but use it very sparingly and avoid the sun, if you dont want to go get a prescription for the real/strong stuff I recomend Neutrogena Healthy Skin Anti-Wrinkle Cream - Night.
Another way to improve skin is with HRT, I actually do not recommend testosterone but rather Progesterone, Pregnenolone & DHEA, you can get prescription for these by avant-garde doctors at anti-aging clinics.
If you are going to do a cycle stay away from short acting test such as sustanon, and stay away from trenbolone which can cause crater scars.
It has been scientifically shown that a beta-carotene glow is preferred over a tan.
personal experience: its very important to take a very high amount of beta caroten especially at the beginning otherwise you wont notice any difference and you just waste money.
Apart from Beta-Carotene which is a yellow/orange pigment, it is also recommended you take Canthaxanthin which is a brown/red pigment, although it has not been confirmed by any research.
There has been good research on astaxanthin, another carotenoid, the studies shown an improvement in skin tone and wrinkles at 4mg but it seems 10mg a day is better, anecdotal reports of more resistance to shaving and retin-a.
Roughly 30mg of beta-carotene a day seems to be superior than 90mg and possibly does the same thing as retin-a
Here is a study in men.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22428137
Getting your iron levels checked and increasing them within range is a good idea for your skin. Only use strong pharmacy grade iron tablets with vitamin C.
Here is a study showing women prefer skin > masculinity
However I am sceptical.
EYEBROWS
Eyebrows are important too, it is linked to the 2 most important aspects, midface and eyes.
You should never wax your eyebrows, and when you pluck you should always leave stray hairs in the middle and edges to make things look natural.
You can get botox to drop your eyebrows a bit giving the impression of a shorter midface. In some cases dying the eyebrows may be ideal, see a hairdresser or beutician.
It is advised you dont try to correct bald spots giving a slight under arch.
If your eyebrows are bushy they should be trimmed by your barber, you can also do this yourself with a hair or beard clipper, no shorter than very minimal skin show. Bushy being where they become hard to shape because the hair is so long, or you have hair sticking out, eyebrows shouldn't need combing.
If you find you need to consciously lower your eyebrows or relax them at times, it means you have ptosis which is a lazy eyelid, you can have both your eyelids lazy, this is corrected by an oculoplastic surgeon.
ZordoNado: Lumigan / Latisse will make your eyebrows darker and denser and maybe a little bit thicker if you are lucky. It will be effective only on 50% of the people, you will have to apply it daily for at least 6 months in order to see if it works for you.
EYES
Oculoplastic surgery is the highest tier cosmetic surgery after facial reconstruction(lefort).
I would include an eye chart but not only are most inaccurate but only practical to women applying eye liner.
The 2 main types you need to know about are down turned(negative canthal tilt) eyes and monolid(most common in Asians) eyes.
Both desperately require surgery although that surgery is a vasectomy. After that you can address the cosmetic issues involved. For NCT you can get a canthopexy which is sort of a less invasive canthoplasty. Canthoplasty critically fails within years and would not ethically be done on anyone under roughly 70 years of age.
Be careful not to confuse neutral canthal tilt for negative, or hooded eyes for monolid, If your upper eyelashes show and point up they are hooded.
For dreaded monolid eyes there is whats called Asian eyelid surgery, an Asian eyelid surgery is probably the only single thing that can raise your looks 3 whole points which it commonly does when necessary. This brings me to my next point.
Lower/inner eyelid show should be minimized this is done through surgery, having big inner eyelids gives a beady eyed appearance, if you actually have beady eyes get your thyroid checked and consider full orbital implants.
For all eye problems you should only consult an Oculoplastic surgeon, there are many more procedures such as blepharoplasty for ageing and also orbital implants to achieve positive orbital vector.
You can also get orbital rim filler to fill in the bags under your eyes and any indentation between your inner canthus and nose.
For a higher trust appearance, getting your nasion depth reduced is also a good idea.
There is also protruding eyeballs, aka frog face. The surgery for this is an orbital decompression, if your problem is minor it can leave you with eyes that are too small and sunken, the surgery videos on youtube also do not look nice.
Vaseline at night has been show to grow stronger eyelashes in a few weeks:
NOSE
You should trim nose hairs, trimming will not make them grow back thicker, if you are worried about this you can pluck them, use a nose and ear trimmer or a hair trimmer.
Nose is the ONLY facial area normal people actually consciously notice flaws in, a nose cant be shortened unless the tip is too long, problems with a mans nose are:
Too short.
Dorsal hump. (usually accompanied by a good strong jaw)
Feminine slope (fixed with an implant)
Upturn (this is especially bad as its feminizing and also affects your front profile, usually accompanied by a small jaw)
Droopy tip (find a Jewish surgeon to get a discount)
Bulbous tip (do not get this overly corrected IF it will ruin your facial harmony)
too wide or too narrow (do not overdo the correction on this, also it is not that important)
Nostrils too high creating a small triangle shape pointing to the mouth.
The nose from front profile should be a triangle shape drawn from where it meets your face not the bridge.
There should also be minimal nostril show from front and side view.
Ethnicity must heavily be considered with Rhinoplasty.
CHEEKS
You should shave any noticeable hair or peach fuzz on your cheeks.
Cheek implants
These are not that important but is a nice touch if you have the money, however it is HIGHLY recommended(after a considerate vasectomy of course) if you have a long midface, the vertical thickness of the implants should relate to your MFR. The width defines the fWHR.
fWHR in itself is not that important and total head width and height is taken in to account, a wider head is ideal for one night stands, a narrow higher trust head is considered best for long term relationships.
If you have a long midface get large implants that raise your fWHR and are vertically tall enough to make your submalar hallow area apear smaller(area between philtrum and ears.
Cheek bones should be
placed high always from the orbital rim, be angular and the peak should be under the outer corner of the eyes, not forward pointing and not lateral pointing. In women cheeks can be forward facing and generally much larger and softer.
Cheek area is also the most likely area to have large pores, I am making a wild guess that face lipo could shrink the pores here as a last resort.
EARS
Ears can be pinned back with an otoplasty, they can also be enlarged and reduced in size with implants or cutting.
To check if your ears stick out too much have your photo taken at least 2 metres away and look at facial 5ths, do not use a phone for this
Consider teeth whitening either with store products or done professionally, do not get them too white or you will look stupid, teeth should be about the same tone as the whites of your eyes.
Also consider veneers but they are not required for most people and money is best spent elsewhere.
Brush your tongue, use mouth wash and floss.
Robust Sensei: The best (mechanical whitening) toothpaste is BlanX.
MOUTH
Upper jaw surgery is costly and takes a long time and usually only necessary when there is a medical problem involved such as sleep apnoea or a bite problem, jaw fatigue and cramps.
Use lip balm if you get cracked lips, girls dont want to risk STDs for a kiss and neither should you.
There is correction for a gummy smile.
JAW
A weak jaw can get you set a light by a bouncer or friend zoned by girls of legal age.
It is better if you can afford surgery though, see a maxillofacial surgeon or consider an implant.
A strong gonial angle provides a more photogenic appearance from front view.
You can also consider neck lipo but more on that once I get to body.
CHIN
Chin ideally should be square and broad in a male, a round chin is acceptable however not the most photogenic. A pointed chin is highly feminine and while not necessarily a sexual death sentence or even suspicious, would need to be redeemed by other masculine features.
A bum chin is okay if its not too deep, if it starts to create wrinkles or you cant shave the hair there it should be filled, a line is much more acceptable than a circle.
A scrotum chin is when it seemingly hangs off the jaw line, it can be corrected through:
1 piece jaw and chin wrap around implants and some lipo and filler.
Sometimes a chin reduction AND implant is also required.
Chin widening Osteotomy by a maxillofacial surgeon.
Another thing leading to an amorphous appearance is an upside down smiley below the lower lip, this can be corrected with filler.
1-3: Lefort 10
4-7 PS
8+ dgaf, stop posting here and carry on.
This is for the 4-7 people here.
Midface ratio > eyes > skin > hair > chin >> cheek bones > jawline > nose >> lips > ears
Some shortcomings the regular Looks Maxing guy has is they wear the wrong colors and pluck their eyebrows with a feminine arch instead of a straight line, they also have the money for PS but dont know that they could benefit from it simply because they are aesthetically undiscerning and also they dont know about custom implants, bone restructuring or oculoplastic surgery. It can also be because people, particularly women will not willingly make a friend feel bad about themselves when the guy asks for surgery suggestions.
PS to most people is just a nose job or tit implants, or anti ageing such as botox and a full face lift, ironically all these procedures are low-medium in the tier of cosmetic surgery.
We will go top down on looks maxing, this will vary in dedication from expected and simple stuff such as trimming hair to insanely forking out $50,000 for Leg Lift surgery.
HEAD HAIR
Head hair is extremely important to overall appeal, it is the ONLY 1 area where it alone will change your looks rating by 1-2 points. You should at least pay attention to it as taking pride in your appearance without being vain is considered the ideal attitude.
If you have little to no hair you can get scalp micropigmentation.
If you are NW2 or less you can use minoxidil + nizoral shampoo.
I suggest taking photos of your hair line every 6 months to check if you are balding to tackle it early.
If you are NW3 or more get a hair transplant where they replant hair from the back of your head elsewhere. Buy an under construction hat during recovery.
Hair should complement your head, If you have a tall or broad forehead, cover it up a bit, if you have a long midface, show as much of your forehead as you can even through cropping your hairline a bit, you should also have good body to the sides to both give your head some width and also to distract from the long midface, so get those mutton chops growing.
The hairline should be straight and not have a widows point, the appearance of the whole hairline should be a squared appearance unlike the rounded appearance in a female.
Contrast is important to looks, if you have 2 tone hair dye it all the one color, usually the darkest of the 2 tone, depending on what looks more NATURAL, dont cheap out on the dye and perhaps get it done at a good hairdresser.
If you have frizzy/curly hair you can spike it up using a GHD hair straightener and a strong wax. The strongest wax you can use is Murrays hair wax, It gets broken down by baby or cooking oil which then must be shampooed out, it is extremely high maintenance but will guarantee noticeably more IOIs.
If you can get away with natural looking hair then this is good, dont use any products that are visually obvious such as gel. Shampoo your hair only once a week before the weekend and towel dry it. If you have a shitty greasy or flaky scalp use head and shoulders. Otherwise Garnier fructis is good imo, shampoo should not smell too fruity or feminine.
While manga hair is somehow okay, Dont have a huge asymmetrical haircut or be flamboyant with pointed sideburns unless you are 8+.
SKIN
Skin is of high tier importance.
You should only use a moisture bar and not soap to wash your face. If you have blackheads these need to be cleaned out with strips, do not scrub too hard with exfoliators as it will leave your skin red. If normal products fail see a dermatologist with a speciality/interest in cosmetics. Do not get laser resurfacing for large pores.
Forget melanotan, eat 5 carrots a day or take a beta-carotene supplement, 7mg is about 1 carrot. Fish oil and secondly olive oil also helps a lot. You should wash your face with a moisturiser twice a day. You should also get a decent amount of sun. If you want a good tan I recommend using reef coconut oil.
You should get any moles and blemishes taken care of by a dermatologist especially if you have them all over your face. Get rid of them even on your neck.
A random large pimple can be covered with concealer.
You should always wash your face after you sweat if you have a problem with pimples. Or in a dusty, dirty environment if you have a problem with blackheads.
If you smoke it is highly recommended you quit and replace it with Swedish snus, or snuff, snuff is excellent for court jester game. Forget nicotine replacement its shit by comparison.
Coating your face in a thin layer of vaseline before bed has been shown to be good for the skin, it is hypoallergenic and does not clog pores.
Retin-A is very good for skin quality but use it very sparingly and avoid the sun, if you dont want to go get a prescription for the real/strong stuff I recomend Neutrogena Healthy Skin Anti-Wrinkle Cream - Night.
Another way to improve skin is with HRT, I actually do not recommend testosterone but rather Progesterone, Pregnenolone & DHEA, you can get prescription for these by avant-garde doctors at anti-aging clinics.
If you are going to do a cycle stay away from short acting test such as sustanon, and stay away from trenbolone which can cause crater scars.
It has been scientifically shown that a beta-carotene glow is preferred over a tan.
personal experience: its very important to take a very high amount of beta caroten especially at the beginning otherwise you wont notice any difference and you just waste money.
Apart from Beta-Carotene which is a yellow/orange pigment, it is also recommended you take Canthaxanthin which is a brown/red pigment, although it has not been confirmed by any research.
There has been good research on astaxanthin, another carotenoid, the studies shown an improvement in skin tone and wrinkles at 4mg but it seems 10mg a day is better, anecdotal reports of more resistance to shaving and retin-a.
Roughly 30mg of beta-carotene a day seems to be superior than 90mg and possibly does the same thing as retin-a
Here is a study in men.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22428137
Getting your iron levels checked and increasing them within range is a good idea for your skin. Only use strong pharmacy grade iron tablets with vitamin C.
Here is a study showing women prefer skin > masculinity
However I am sceptical.
EYEBROWS
Eyebrows are important too, it is linked to the 2 most important aspects, midface and eyes.
You should never wax your eyebrows, and when you pluck you should always leave stray hairs in the middle and edges to make things look natural.
You can get botox to drop your eyebrows a bit giving the impression of a shorter midface. In some cases dying the eyebrows may be ideal, see a hairdresser or beutician.
It is advised you dont try to correct bald spots giving a slight under arch.
If your eyebrows are bushy they should be trimmed by your barber, you can also do this yourself with a hair or beard clipper, no shorter than very minimal skin show. Bushy being where they become hard to shape because the hair is so long, or you have hair sticking out, eyebrows shouldn't need combing.
If you find you need to consciously lower your eyebrows or relax them at times, it means you have ptosis which is a lazy eyelid, you can have both your eyelids lazy, this is corrected by an oculoplastic surgeon.
ZordoNado: Lumigan / Latisse will make your eyebrows darker and denser and maybe a little bit thicker if you are lucky. It will be effective only on 50% of the people, you will have to apply it daily for at least 6 months in order to see if it works for you.
EYES
Oculoplastic surgery is the highest tier cosmetic surgery after facial reconstruction(lefort).
I would include an eye chart but not only are most inaccurate but only practical to women applying eye liner.
The 2 main types you need to know about are down turned(negative canthal tilt) eyes and monolid(most common in Asians) eyes.
Both desperately require surgery although that surgery is a vasectomy. After that you can address the cosmetic issues involved. For NCT you can get a canthopexy which is sort of a less invasive canthoplasty. Canthoplasty critically fails within years and would not ethically be done on anyone under roughly 70 years of age.
Be careful not to confuse neutral canthal tilt for negative, or hooded eyes for monolid, If your upper eyelashes show and point up they are hooded.
For dreaded monolid eyes there is whats called Asian eyelid surgery, an Asian eyelid surgery is probably the only single thing that can raise your looks 3 whole points which it commonly does when necessary. This brings me to my next point.
Lower/inner eyelid show should be minimized this is done through surgery, having big inner eyelids gives a beady eyed appearance, if you actually have beady eyes get your thyroid checked and consider full orbital implants.
For all eye problems you should only consult an Oculoplastic surgeon, there are many more procedures such as blepharoplasty for ageing and also orbital implants to achieve positive orbital vector.
You can also get orbital rim filler to fill in the bags under your eyes and any indentation between your inner canthus and nose.
For a higher trust appearance, getting your nasion depth reduced is also a good idea.
There is also protruding eyeballs, aka frog face. The surgery for this is an orbital decompression, if your problem is minor it can leave you with eyes that are too small and sunken, the surgery videos on youtube also do not look nice.
Vaseline at night has been show to grow stronger eyelashes in a few weeks:
NOSE
You should trim nose hairs, trimming will not make them grow back thicker, if you are worried about this you can pluck them, use a nose and ear trimmer or a hair trimmer.
Nose is the ONLY facial area normal people actually consciously notice flaws in, a nose cant be shortened unless the tip is too long, problems with a mans nose are:
Too short.
Dorsal hump. (usually accompanied by a good strong jaw)
Feminine slope (fixed with an implant)
Upturn (this is especially bad as its feminizing and also affects your front profile, usually accompanied by a small jaw)
Droopy tip (find a Jewish surgeon to get a discount)
Bulbous tip (do not get this overly corrected IF it will ruin your facial harmony)
too wide or too narrow (do not overdo the correction on this, also it is not that important)
Nostrils too high creating a small triangle shape pointing to the mouth.
The nose from front profile should be a triangle shape drawn from where it meets your face not the bridge.
There should also be minimal nostril show from front and side view.
Ethnicity must heavily be considered with Rhinoplasty.
CHEEKS
You should shave any noticeable hair or peach fuzz on your cheeks.
Cheek implants
These are not that important but is a nice touch if you have the money, however it is HIGHLY recommended(after a considerate vasectomy of course) if you have a long midface, the vertical thickness of the implants should relate to your MFR. The width defines the fWHR.
fWHR in itself is not that important and total head width and height is taken in to account, a wider head is ideal for one night stands, a narrow higher trust head is considered best for long term relationships.
If you have a long midface get large implants that raise your fWHR and are vertically tall enough to make your submalar hallow area apear smaller(area between philtrum and ears.
Cheek bones should be
placed high always from the orbital rim, be angular and the peak should be under the outer corner of the eyes, not forward pointing and not lateral pointing. In women cheeks can be forward facing and generally much larger and softer.
Cheek area is also the most likely area to have large pores, I am making a wild guess that face lipo could shrink the pores here as a last resort.
EARS
Ears can be pinned back with an otoplasty, they can also be enlarged and reduced in size with implants or cutting.
To check if your ears stick out too much have your photo taken at least 2 metres away and look at facial 5ths, do not use a phone for this
Consider teeth whitening either with store products or done professionally, do not get them too white or you will look stupid, teeth should be about the same tone as the whites of your eyes.
Also consider veneers but they are not required for most people and money is best spent elsewhere.
Brush your tongue, use mouth wash and floss.
Robust Sensei: The best (mechanical whitening) toothpaste is BlanX.
MOUTH
Philtrum and lips while not important in a guy sometimes can be out of hand, a lip lift can shorten the philtrum while replacing that space with the upper lip, the upper lip should be thinner than the lower lip and ideally protrude a little further.
Upper jaw surgery is costly and takes a long time and usually only necessary when there is a medical problem involved such as sleep apnoea or a bite problem, jaw fatigue and cramps.
Use lip balm if you get cracked lips, girls dont want to risk STDs for a kiss and neither should you.
There is correction for a gummy smile.
JAW
A weak jaw can get you set a light by a bouncer or friend zoned by girls of legal age.
It is better if you can afford surgery though, see a maxillofacial surgeon or consider an implant.
A strong gonial angle provides a more photogenic appearance from front view.
You can also consider neck lipo but more on that once I get to body.
CHIN
Chin ideally should be square and broad in a male, a round chin is acceptable however not the most photogenic. A pointed chin is highly feminine and while not necessarily a sexual death sentence or even suspicious, would need to be redeemed by other masculine features.
A bum chin is okay if its not too deep, if it starts to create wrinkles or you cant shave the hair there it should be filled, a line is much more acceptable than a circle.
A scrotum chin is when it seemingly hangs off the jaw line, it can be corrected through:
1 piece jaw and chin wrap around implants and some lipo and filler.
Sometimes a chin reduction AND implant is also required.
Chin widening Osteotomy by a maxillofacial surgeon.
Another thing leading to an amorphous appearance is an upside down smiley below the lower lip, this can be corrected with filler.
