The evil nature of the God of the bible

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7What then? What Israel was seeking, it failed to obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see, and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”…Romans 11

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying:

“Whom shall I send,
And who will go for Us?”

Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

9 And He said, “Go, and tell this people:

‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’

10 “Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”


11 Then I said, “Lord, how long?”

And He answered:

“Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant,
The houses are without a man,
The land is utterly desolate,
12 The Lord has removed men far away,
And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
13 But yet a tenth will be in it,
And will return and be for consuming,
As a terebinth tree or as an oak,
Whose stump remains when it is cut down.
So the holy seed shall be its stump.”
כא הָכִינוּ לְבָנָיו מַטְבֵּחַ, בַּעֲוֺן אֲבוֹתָם; בַּל-יָקֻמוּ וְיָרְשׁוּ אָרֶץ, וּמָלְאוּ פְנֵי-תֵבֵל עָרִים. 21 Prepare ye slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they rise not up, and possess the earth, and fill the face of the world with cities.
כב וְקַמְתִּי עֲלֵיהֶם, נְאֻם יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת; וְהִכְרַתִּי לְבָבֶל שֵׁם וּשְׁאָר, וְנִין וָנֶכֶד--נְאֻם-יְהוָה. 22 And I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon name and remnant, and offshoot and offspring, saith the LORD.

כו וָאֲטַמֵּא אוֹתָם בְּמַתְּנוֹתָם, בְּהַעֲבִיר כָּל-פֶּטֶר רָחַם: לְמַעַן אֲשִׁמֵּם--לְמַעַן אֲשֶׁר יֵדְעוּ, אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי יְהוָה. {ס} 26 and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they set apart all that openeth the womb, that I might destroy them, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD. {S}

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine. All flesh shall know That I, the LORD, am your Savior, And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

DON'T THE PENTECOSTALS SAY THAT IF YOU DRINK COCA COLA OR EAT MCDONALDFS YOURE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE CANNIBALISM IS A SIN?AND THEY ALLEGE THESE HAVE HUMAN PARTS IN THEM?
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8 And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming —9 even him, whose coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders (2 Thess 2:8-9 21st Cent KJV) 10 and with all deceivableness and delusion." [Author's version of v. 10.]

This author of the Christian Intelligencer article then points out that "even him" in the above quote was added by the KJV. The KJV editors identified these words were interpolated by putting them in italics. The KJV editors' intention in doing so, the author explains, was to deflect, if possible, that Paul literally means Jesus will come with deceptive signs and lying wonders. This will become an example the author hopes to convince us to add more words elsewhere to deflect the blasphemy by Paul in 2 Thess. 2:10-13 as he identified above. The author writes:

And who is it that is thus described? Open your Bible reader and know whether the answer be correct. We assert, that omitting the first two words, in the ninth verse -- even him -- which are printed in italic, to designate an interpolation, or that they were added by the translators, the literal reading is that the Lord Jesus is the personage spoken of! Look for yourself. Unless we supply some words, Jesus is the character spoken of, whose coming is after the working of Satan, with lying wonders and all delusions. To read and understand it without an addition would be deemed by many as blasphemous, because it ascribes the deception to the Son of God!" Id., at 61.

To justify adding words to change the sense, this author continues to expose the literal meaning of the passage as currently written. He ties verses 10 and 11 together by rendering the same word in Greek by the same word in English of "delusion" so Paul's parallelism is more clear. (The KJV obscured the parallelism evident in the Greek original by using different English nouns.) The author then explains that the delusion God supposedly brings in verse 11 ties back to the delusion that Jesus as God's agent will bring in verse 9:

But, look for a moment. Is it worse to suppose that he whom the Father has sent is a deceiver, than that his God sends strong delusion? The same word that is rendered deceivableness [in the KJV of v. 10] is rendered delusion in the 11th. These words are perfectly synonymous....We think it will appear evident to those who are not fettered by education and prejudice, that the same character and the same deception is intended in both cases. We mean that he who is coming is with all deceivableness or delusion, sends the same in its strength, to make men believe a lie. If the God spoken about in verse 11 means our Father in heaven, we should honor the Son as we honor the Father, in calling Him the agent by which it was effected; and the literal, unaltered words will support us in so doing....We are told that it is God who sends the delusion." Id., at 61.

The author then alludes to Paul's responsibility for these words: "But the mysterious iniquities of the god of whom Paul wrote, had already began their operation." Id., at 62.

The author's solution is to say Paul's reference to God means instead Satan. It is the 'that god' (of this world, which words he proposes to add to 'fix' the text) who brings a strong delusion.

Thus, Paul is blasphemous unless we read into the text of verse 11 "that god" / satan -- words not there and a meaning betrayed by the passage itself. For even this change does not solve v. 9 because it still says Jesus comes with lying wonders. The KJV adding "even him" actually did not alter that meaning; "even him" just separated the thought a bit to break up the clarity of the verse. So it is not resolved by adding "that god" (small 'g') to verse 11.
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

(NOTE:TO BE TEMPTED IS TO BE LED BY THE DEVIL ACCORDING TO JAMES,COVETING SINS IS A SIN AND JESUS COVETED SINS BY BEING TEMPTED)

[9] And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
If one reads Jeremiah 23:39 nobody would see anything wrong with the verse. One would not even look over it again and just skip over the next verse. But if we read what is written in the Hebrew language and the word that is used, you would be shocked how the Bible translations all cover up the actual meaning for the passage. All Bible translations for Jeremiah 23:39 have this:

King James 2000 Bible Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget (Nasha) you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:

The Hebrew word ‘Nasha’ has the following meanings:

  • 1) to beguile, deceive
  • A)(Niphal) to be beguiled
  • B)(Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
  • C)(Qal) utterly (infinitive)
As you have read the word ‘Nasha’ means deceive, beguile and so forth. But when we read English Bible translations for Jer. 23:39 all of them use the word ‘forget?’ Why don’t they give the true meaning, why do they have distort the verse and lie to people? Let’s now bring forth evidence from Hebrew Lexicons for the word ‘Nasha’ and see what the true meaning is. Before we proceed further let’s first show The Hebrew word “Nasha” :

Hebrew word Nasha for Jeremiah 23 39

As you seen the picture I have put a red arrow what the Hebrew ‘Nasha’ looks like. Hebrew Lexicons on the word ‘Nasha’.

Professor Edward Robinson
Nasha1[10]

Francis Brown


Hebrew Word Nasha [11]

William Robertson

Hebrew word Nasha
If one reads the above picture where I have highlighted in yellow George Wigram connects the Hebrew word ‘Nasha’ to Jeremiah 23:39. It’s clear from all the above references that Yahweh admits that he deceives people.

Professor Mark Roncace comments on Jeremiah 23:39, says the following,

“The word… itself has certain connotations and echoes in the book of Jeremiah where it appears four other times (4:10; 23:39; 29:8; 49:16). In 4:10 the prophet accuses Yahweh of deception by promising peace and then bringing destruction. Thus, one would as John calvin suggested see the withdrawal of Babylonians as ‘God for a time permit[ting]’ the people ‘to be deceived by fortunate event’ (Commentaries on the Book of the Prophet Jeremiah and the Lamentations [ed. And trans. John Owen; 5 vols.; Grand rapids: Eerdmans, 1950], 4:367). In fact, in 23:39 Yahweh declares ‘I will deceive (Nasha) you and cast you away from my presence.’ One wonders if deception originates within oneself, as 37:9 suggests, or with Yahweh?” [15]

It is clear crystal from all this evidence that Yahweh is a deceiver. When the verse (Jeremiah 23:39) is not distorted, it reads like this:

Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly DECEIVE (Nasha) you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence.

so yahweh IS A COVETOUS UNHOLY DECEPTIVE UNJUST 'GOD'
 
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Slaughter your daughters - god is an incel confirmed
 
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did not read, God loves you
 
I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine. All flesh shall know That I, the LORD, am your Savior, And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

DON'T THE PENTECOSTALS SAY THAT IF YOU DRINK COCA COLA OR EAT MCDONALDFS YOURE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE CANNIBALISM IS A SIN?AND THEY ALLEGE THESE HAVE HUMAN PARTS IN THEM?
Bro like 70% of the bible is metaphors and symbolism. The imagery of eating flesh and drinking blood signifies total defeat and humiliation of enemies, showing that God's justice will be so powerful that all people will recognize His sovereignty as Savior and Redeemer.

It also is a metaphor expressing God’s promise to protect and deliver His people by turning the violence of their oppressors back on themselves.

7What then? What Israel was seeking, it failed to obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see, and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”…Romans 11
God, in His sovereignty, can harden hearts as a form of judgment, but it often comes after people have willfully rejected Him. This serves to fulfill His larger purposes while also respecting human responsibility. The "spirit of stupor" is a state of being spiritually unresponsive due to persistent disbelief and rejection of God’s truth. This serves as a temporary condition intended to provoke a broader purpose: to bring salvation to the Gentiles and, eventually, to stir Israel to jealousy, leading to their ultimate redemption
Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly DECEIVE (Nasha) you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence.
The actual Hebrew phrase in Jeremiah 23:39 is: לָכֵן הִנְנִי נֹשִׁי אֶתְכֶם נָשֹׂא וְנָטַשְׁתִּי אֶתְכֶם
(Laken hineni noshi etchem naso ve'natash'ti etchem)
The word "נָטַשְׁתִּי" (natash'ti) means "I will cast you out" or "forsake." It is correctly translated in the bible.
You can find the Hebrew text and its correct translation here https://biblehub.com/text/jeremiah/23-39.htm

Id urge you to study theology harder and what was happening in the bible at the time of writing, before cherrypicking verses thinking you have an argument. The old testament like I said is full of metaphors, prophecy, and symbolism it takes a deep look to understand its context its not surface level.

Also there are some things that god allows or does that dont seem right but, humans are finite and their brains and senses aren't designed to understand the information needed to evaluate God's choices.

God gave us the only gift we need and this life is temporary no matter how important this life seems to you. You are like a ant in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Bro like 70% of the bible is metaphors and symbolism. The imagery of eating flesh and drinking blood signifies total defeat and humiliation of enemies, showing that God's justice will be so powerful that all people will recognize His sovereignty as Savior and Redeemer.

It also is a metaphor expressing God’s promise to protect and deliver His people by turning the violence of their oppressors back on themselves.


God, in His sovereignty, can harden hearts as a form of judgment, but it often comes after people have willfully rejected Him. This serves to fulfill His larger purposes while also respecting human responsibility. The "spirit of stupor" is a state of being spiritually unresponsive due to persistent disbelief and rejection of God’s truth. This serves as a temporary condition intended to provoke a broader purpose: to bring salvation to the Gentiles and, eventually, to stir Israel to jealousy, leading to their ultimate redemption

The actual Hebrew phrase in Jeremiah 23:39 is: לָכֵן הִנְנִי נֹשִׁי אֶתְכֶם נָשֹׂא וְנָטַשְׁתִּי אֶתְכֶם
(Laken hineni noshi etchem naso ve'natash'ti etchem)
The word "נָטַשְׁתִּי" (natash'ti) means "I will cast you out" or "forsake." It is correctly translated in the bible.
You can find the Hebrew text and its correct translation here https://biblehub.com/text/jeremiah/23-39.htm

Id urge you to study theology harder and what was happening in the bible at the time of writing, before cherrypicking verses thinking you have an argument. The old testament like I said is full of metaphors, prophecy, and symbolism it takes a deep look to understand its context its not surface level.

Also there are some things that god allows or does that dont seem right but, humans are finite and their brains and senses aren't designed to understand the information needed to evaluate God's choices.
sorry but this is bs apologetics.

the word is precisely translated


your cacodemon tells isaiah to decieve the israelites lest they repent and be saved as jesus quoted this in mark as for why he spoke in parables.

your God tells the israelites to prepare slaughter for the iniquity of their PARENTS which is UNJUST.

your God was also tempted to do evil .IN EVERY WAY CHRISTIANS ARE.WHICH MEANS JESUS IS A GAY MAN AND LIKES DUDES.
 
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sorry but this is bs apologetics.

the word is precisely translated


your cacodemon tells isaiah to decieve the israelites lest they repent and be saved as jesus quoted this in mark as for why he spoke in parables.

your God tells the israelites to prepare slaughter for the iniquity of their PARENTS which is UNJUST.

your God was also tempted to do evil .
Where are you getting that verse in hebrew, the verse in hebrew has the word נָטַשְׁתִּי which means to leave/abandon/forget.
your God tells the israelites to prepare slaughter for the iniquity of their PARENTS which is UNJUST.
God let us know right from wrong, lets say your parents didn't work, didnt feed you, became drug addicts. You now will suffer the rest of your life due to your parent's iniquity that's how the world works it's not god doing that to you its the sin of your parents affecting your life.

Isreal was living in sin, and that led to their slaughter and destruction due to their own actions.

Give me the verse where you think god was tempted to do evil I cant find it in your post.
.IN EVERY WAY CHRISTIANS ARE.WHICH MEANS JESUS IS A GAY MAN AND LIKES DUDES.
Shows your mental state and IQ, cherry picking things without doing proper research and then blaspheming god I hope you can leave atheism one day. At least agnosticism makes more sense.
 
Where are you getting that verse in hebrew, the verse in hebrew has the word נָטַשְׁתִּי which means to leave/abandon/forget.

God let us know right from wrong, lets say your parents didn't work, didnt feed you, became drug addicts. You now will suffer the rest of your life due to your parent's iniquity that's how the world works it's not god doing that to you its the sin of your parents affecting your life.

Isreal was living in sin, and that led to their slaughter and destruction due to their own actions.

Give me the verse where you think god was tempted to do evil I cant find it in your post.

Shows your mental state and IQ, cherry picking things without doing proper research and then blaspheming god I hope you can leave atheism one day. At least agnosticism makes more sense.
nashiti is the word for i will beguile/nasha you look it up.I linked the word.can you read hebrew like me?

kill the kids for the iniquity of their parents is not indirect consequences of parents.

sacrificing children is evil too and yahweh did that.

paul says jesus was tempted in every way we are and satan in matthew tempted christ.james says anyone who is tempted is led by the devil.

its all in the post,youre just very low iq and have a inclination towards christinsanity.

I believe in God,just not the false cacodemon of the jews.
 
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nashiti is the word for i will beguile/nasha you look it up.I linked the word.can you read hebrew like me?

kill the kids for the iniquity of their parents is not indirect consequences of parents.

sacrificing children is evil too and yahweh did that.

paul says jesus was tempted in every way we are and satan in matthew tempted christ.james says anyone who is tempted is led by the devil.

its all in the post,youre just very low iq and have a inclination towards christinsanity.

I believe in God,just not the false cacodemon of the jews.
This is the word used in the hebrew text נָטַשְׁתִּי
https://www.pealim.com/dict/1199-lintosh/

Brother where in the bible did god sacrifice children, the bible actually has multiple verses specifically going against that.

Jesus still had human desires and needs because he is both human and god. Satan tempted jesus because he had human desires, Jesus did not fall into those temptations.

Yes everyone is led into temptation by the devil, that doesn't mean you are a follower of the devil. If a robber leads you to a alley and mugs you does that mean you worship the mugger?

I'm going to be honest the points you make are very surface level and most of them are just wrong if you look deeper.

Let's say if you had a very important book report on a book report other than the bible, would you skim through the book and use a couple of sentences to write your report? No, you would read the whole book, and research its background and the time period it was written in, research the different metaphors and symbolism.

Since you are agnostic why don't you do the same when you're talking about something as important as your afterlife? You can do the same with any other religion, just to me personally, Christianity has the most evidence and history to support its claims.

You seem hurt by Christians and religious aspects of it, if every Christian truly followed the bible you would not have this hate for Christianity and I'm sorry if that left a bitter taste in your mouth. I urge you to read the bible and especially the New Testament even if you decide to not follow Jesus there is so much wisdom to gain from the bible I don't see any negatives from reading the bible.
 
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Good thread. Read everything.

I believe, although not fully, the same thing.

The Bible is a jew-altered psyop. Do not take it for granted.
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
I will use this quote from now on.
 
 
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