The Quran is hilariously wrong and contradicts itself about the construction of the Kabba

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This is Ignoring the fact that the only attestation we have to it pre-Islam is being a pagan relic with zero oral, written or traditional attestation to Abraham whatsoever prior to Muhammad but we will leave that aside.

The Hadiths claim that Solomons temple and the Kaaba were built 40 years apart

Lets figure out who built Al-aqsa
t was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
"When Sulaiman bin Dawud finished building Bait Al-Maqdis, he asked Allah for three things: Judgement that was in harmony with His judgement, and he was given that. And he asked Allah for a dominion that no one after him would have, and he was given that. And when he finished building the Masjid he asked Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, that no one should come to it, intending only to pray there, but he would emerge free of sin as the day his mother bore him."
Important to note that Bait Al-Maqdis and Al-Aqsa Mosque are used interchangeably, Bait Al-Maqdis can be referred to the area where al-aqsa resides
Abu Dhar narrated: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was first built on the surface of the earth?" He said, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram (in Mecca)." I said, "Which was built next?" He replied "The mosque of Al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem)." I said, "What was the period of construction between the two?" He said, "Forty years." He added, "Wherever (you may be, and) the prayer time becomes due, perform the prayer there, for the best thing is to do so (i.e. to offer the prayers in time)."

Sahih al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 55, Hadith Number 585
Ok so who built the Kaaba?

According to Islam it was Ibrahim/Abraham who built the Kaaba?
And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and [a place of] security. And take, [O believers], from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, [saying], "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying [there] for worship and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer]."
And when did Abraham exist?

In the Quran Abrham argues with a Babylonian king presumably Nimrod putting him around 2000 BC but either way the quran states that David and solomon long descendant from Abraham mean
This was the argument We gave Abraham against his people. We elevate in rank whoever We please. Surely your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
And We blessed him with Isaac and Jacob. We guided them all as We previously guided Noah and those among his descendants: David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. This is how We reward the good-doers.
Likewise, ˹We guided˺ Zachariah, John, Jesus, and Elias, who were all of the righteous.
˹We also guided˺ Ishmael, Elisha, Jonah, and Lot, favouring each over other people ˹of their time˺.
And ˹We favoured˺ some of their forefathers, their descendants, and their brothers. We chose them and guided them to the Straight Path.

— Quran 6:83–87


All Abrahamic traditions maintain that he was the father of Jacob who was the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, from there David or Dawud in Islam is the descendant of the tribe of Judah and King Solomon is his successor. Most genealogies put at the very least 14 generations if not more and logistically at the very least 1000 years between Abraham and David.

David is historically attested to outside of any biblical texts, see the Tel Dan Stele inscribing the House of David. David existed in the early 11th century BC and Solomon his successor must have existed after that.

Again a 1000 year difference in lifetimes yet apparently the buildings were made 40 years apart :feelsuhh:.

Either Abraham lived for hundreds of years and continued building or Muhammad saw a pagan building and made shit up.

Now some islamic scholars are smart and they'll say that "NOOOO PROPHET SULAIMAN DID NOT BUILD AL-AQSA HE MERELY RE-BUILT IT!!!" They will then proceed to claim that it was actually Adam who built it and Solomon was merely restoring it.

This is despite he fact that there is zero historical or even islamic source to this claim in the hadith or the Quran, it is arguing backwards after realising how absurd the 40 year claim is.

But lets take it at face value shall we.

Adam was the first of man to exist which would again make him well over 10,000 years old any gap between him and Abraham is magnitudes greater than the gap between Abraham and Solomon. Even if we were to presume a young Earth which is stupid as fuck but why not, Adam and Abraham existed 4000 years apart. Adam was the first of man him, Idris and Nuh according to Islam were notable figures and prophets that existed many years before the flood supposedly, then you have Hud and Saleh who existed after the flood, then much after you get Abraham.

Hence if Adam really built it you once again get a period that is far greater than 40 years and it is clear that Muhammad was just making stuff up as he went.
 
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you could have just muhammad was brachy and stopped at that
 
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bump, high iq + effort

no hate
 
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This thread can't get lost in the abyss of Orgistan,
Bump 2
 
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Prophet "Sulaiman" nigga.
That shit literally means prophet king.
Completely ignores the absolute peace that took place in his time.
 
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Don't you worship cows nigga?? :forcedsmile::forcedsmile:
 
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Prophet "Sulaiman" nigga.
That shit literally means prophet king.
Completely ignores the absolute peace that took place in his time.
I think its just the arabized version of it
1737265176875
 
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dnr major yap
 
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This is what being bald does to a man
 
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"The Hadiths claim that"

Stop reading here tbh, most hadiths are a fabrication and were made 200 years after the prophets death. Before you say how without the hadiths you cant follow the islamic rituals, i will only say that there is a big difference between core rituals in a religion vs some trivia writtings like these which big majority of people didnt even know about. The 5 prayers and fasting for example would have been done by all muslims from the time of the Prophet until the first hadiths have been written, and during this time the parents would teach their chidlren how to pray, how to fast, how to do hajj etc
 
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This is Ignoring the fact that the only attestation we have to it pre-Islam is being a pagan relic with zero oral, written or traditional attestation to Abraham whatsoever prior to Muhammad but we will leave that aside.

The Hadiths claim that Solomons temple and the Kaaba were built 40 years apart

Lets figure out who built Al-aqsa

Important to note that Bait Al-Maqdis and Al-Aqsa Mosque are used interchangeably, Bait Al-Maqdis can be referred to the area where al-aqsa resides

Ok so who built the Kaaba?

According to Islam it was Ibrahim/Abraham who built the Kaaba?

And when did Abraham exist?

In the Quran Abrham argues with a Babylonian king presumably Nimrod putting him around 2000 BC but either way the quran states that David and solomon long descendant from Abraham mean



All Abrahamic traditions maintain that he was the father of Jacob who was the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, from there David or Dawud in Islam is the descendant of the tribe of Judah and King Solomon is his successor. Most genealogies put at the very least 14 generations if not more and logistically at the very least 1000 years between Abraham and David.

David is historically attested to outside of any biblical texts, see the Tel Dan Stele inscribing the House of David. David existed in the early 11th century BC and Solomon his successor must have existed after that.

Again a 1000 year difference in lifetimes yet apparently the buildings were made 40 years apart :feelsuhh:.

Either Abraham lived for hundreds of years and continued building or Muhammad saw a pagan building and made shit up.

Now some islamic scholars are smart and they'll say that "NOOOO PROPHET SULAIMAN DID NOT BUILD AL-AQSA HE MERELY RE-BUILT IT!!!" They will then proceed to claim that it was actually Adam who built it and Solomon was merely restoring it.

This is despite he fact that there is zero historical or even islamic source to this claim in the hadith or the Quran, it is arguing backwards after realising how absurd the 40 year claim is.

But lets take it at face value shall we.

Adam was the first of man to exist which would again make him well over 10,000 years old any gap between him and Abraham is magnitudes greater than the gap between Abraham and Solomon. Even if we were to presume a young Earth which is stupid as fuck but why not, Adam and Abraham existed 4000 years apart. Adam was the first of man him, Idris and Nuh according to Islam were notable figures and prophets that existed many years before the flood supposedly, then you have Hud and Saleh who existed after the flood, then much after you get Abraham.

Hence if Adam really built it you once again get a period that is far greater than 40 years and it is clear that Muhammad was just making stuff up as he went.
You lost me at Hadiths bro
 
"The Hadiths claim that"

Stop reading here tbh, most hadiths are a fabrication and were made 200 years after the prophets death. Before you say how without the hadiths you cant follow the islamic rituals, i will only say that there is a big difference between core rituals in a religion vs some trivia writtings like these which big majority of people didnt even know about. The 5 prayers and fasting for example would have been done by all muslims from the time of the Prophet until the first hadiths have been written, and during this time the parents would teach their chidlren how to pray, how to fast, how to do hajj etc
That’s a coherent position in this matter but puts you in the vast minority of Islamic schools of thought
 
Woah you really debunked islam, bro :soy::soy::soy::soy::soy:

Let’s all convert to hinduism now
 
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Woah you really debunked islam, bro :soy::soy::soy::soy::soy:

Let’s all convert to hinduism now
Not what I said + it’s very telling there hasn’t been a single substantive response in this thread other than @TsarTsar444
 
Nobody is muslim in 2025, better get some new ragebait material.
 

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