butterfly401
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its water to a more knowledgable user, but noticed some tiktok fags obsessing over their clavicle length...
basically biacromial or bideltoid width doesn’t mean much on its own, it’s all about proportions. you can have wide shoulders on paper but if your waist is big or your head is massive, it won’t look that good. most of the people who look "aesthetic" either have a small waist or they just have a small head, which makes the rest look bigger – that’s what framemogging really is.
people who obsess over absolute numbers like “i have 52cm shoulders” are usually just coping. it doesn’t mean anything without context. having wide clavicles, a super small waist, and a tiny skull all at once is basically genetic lottery, it’s extremely rare. and even then, shoulder shape is way more important than just width. like, someone with round 3D delts and good posture will look wider than someone with just long clavicles but flat shoulders.
so yeah, it’s not about chasing some measurement, it’s about how your frame "flows together". your frame can be big, but you are also big overall, which still mogs, but might not be aesthetic. some people appear larger like hasan piker or adam driver because their frame is big and also have a tiny ass peanut skull. its no longer aesthetic, but it mogs on a primal level, mostly appeals to foids and eviscerates other men.
the most ideal frame that comes to my mind is either david laid or michael b jordan:
basically biacromial or bideltoid width doesn’t mean much on its own, it’s all about proportions. you can have wide shoulders on paper but if your waist is big or your head is massive, it won’t look that good. most of the people who look "aesthetic" either have a small waist or they just have a small head, which makes the rest look bigger – that’s what framemogging really is.
people who obsess over absolute numbers like “i have 52cm shoulders” are usually just coping. it doesn’t mean anything without context. having wide clavicles, a super small waist, and a tiny skull all at once is basically genetic lottery, it’s extremely rare. and even then, shoulder shape is way more important than just width. like, someone with round 3D delts and good posture will look wider than someone with just long clavicles but flat shoulders.
so yeah, it’s not about chasing some measurement, it’s about how your frame "flows together". your frame can be big, but you are also big overall, which still mogs, but might not be aesthetic. some people appear larger like hasan piker or adam driver because their frame is big and also have a tiny ass peanut skull. its no longer aesthetic, but it mogs on a primal level, mostly appeals to foids and eviscerates other men.
the most ideal frame that comes to my mind is either david laid or michael b jordan:
