Theory: FWHR Correct measurement

[Whatashame]

Look at this pic, he doesnt have a horse face.

The measurement of the bizygomatic width is 241 in lenght

The measurement to the upper eyelids is 122 in lenght

The measurement to the mid of the eyebrows is 135 in lenght.


In the first measurement (Zigos / upper eyelid) He have a FWHR of 1.97 (241/122). In the second measurement he have a FWHR of 1.78(241/135). Such a differece happens because the eyebrows are very arched and more separated from the eyelids, to the point where they dont make part of the midface anymore. I think that in cases where the eyebrows are arched like that the measurement should be using the upper eyelids and not the eyebrows. And with normal eyelids the measurement should be made using the mid eyebrows.


The same thing happens here, and in a lot of pictures. And i think that a lot of the articles actually use what im saying.


Used mid eyebrows because the eyebrows is closer to the eyes


Used eyelids because the eyebrows is not closer to the eyes


Used eyelids because the eyebrows is not closer to the eyes

And etc.

 

[Whatashame]

Can i edit? new to this

 

[Nebula]

Why use midbrows for close set and eyelids for high set jfl. This is basically frauding

 

[Whatashame]

Why use midbrows for close set and eyelids for high set jfl. This is basically frauding

As i explain, the eyebrows once are far from the eyes stopping making part of the midface.

 

[sub5inchcel]

nah its supposed to be where lower and upper lip meet not top of lip because some have bigger upper lip

 

[Whatashame]

nah its supposed to be where lower and upper lip meet not top of lip because some have bigger upper lip

i never saw someone using this to measure fwhr. And the bigger upper lip helps a low fwhr, theres correlation.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

all these measurements but still no bitches

 

[Whatashame]

all these measurements but still no bitches

Lol

 

[randomvanish]

I think you might be on something. But you cannot decide if a person's eyebrow is high because of the rounded, ugly eye socket shape or merely the eyebrow positioning.
So, how can a person with high eye socket and robust,angular eye socket gets the same fWHR ?

 

[Racky]

Look at this pic, he doesnt have a horse face.

The measurement of the bizygomatic width is 241 in lenght

The measurement to the upper eyelids is 122 in lenght

The measurement to the mid of the eyebrows is 135 in lenght.


In the first measurement (Zigos / upper eyelid) He have a FWHR of 1.97 (241/122). In the second measurement he have a FWHR of 1.78(241/135). Such a differece happens because the eyebrows are very arched and more separated from the eyelids, to the point where they dont make part of the midface anymore. I think that in cases where the eyebrows are arched like that the measurement should be using the upper eyelids and not the eyebrows. And with normal eyelids the measurement should be made using the mid eyebrows.


The same thing happens here, and in a lot of pictures. And i think that a lot of the articles actually use what im saying.


Used mid eyebrows because the eyebrows is closer to the eyes


Used eyelids because the eyebrows is not closer to the eyes


Used eyelids because the eyebrows is not closer to the eyes

And etc.

In most studies it's either from the top of the eyelids, or from the nasion to the prosthion.
The eyebrows or the top of the eyelids are used by some people because it's a soft tissue approximation for the top of the orbitals. The upper lip as well is just a soft tissue approximation for the prosthion.
It can be unreliable as people have different anatomies affecting eyebrow shape and positioning, as well as different lip sizes. Again, those are just soft tissue approximations.

For example, on average Australian Aboriginals tend to have lower set eyebrows because they have pronounced and low supraorbital ridges :

East Asians are the complete opposite :

Who looks like he has higher fwhr? Who looks like he has a "wider face"?
Obviously the Asian pheno. But if you measure from the middle of the eyebrows all of a sudden the Aboriginal got 2 fwhr and the East Asian only has 1.85. That makes no sense. imo better to use the upper eyelids.

 

[250722]

why don't just measure from the eyelid with anyone?

 

[sub5inchcel]

i never saw someone using this to measure fwhr. And the bigger upper lip helps a low fwhr, theres correlation.

nah, imo it should be in middle of lips becuase its a landsmark not affected by the soft feature, but rather the skeletal structure

 

[Whatashame]

nah, imo it should be in middle of lips becuase its a landsmark not affected by the soft feature, but rather the skeletal structure

I dont think you understand, the upper lip is part of the midface. If its bigger, the midface is shorter. FWHR measures something our humans can see, just in a mathematical way.

 

[sub5inchcel]

I dont think you understand, the upper lip is part of the midface. If its bigger, the midface is shorter. FWHR measures something our humans can see, just in a mathematical way.

he term "midface" describes the area from the corners of your eyes to the corners of your mouth, so this includes your nose, cheeks and the area above your upper lip. Finally, the "lower face" includes everything below the corners of your mouth. That would include the nasolabial folds (laugh lines) and jawline.15. jun. 2018