Theory on why newgen "blackpillers" aren't really blackpilled anymore and the state of the forum

[Vantablack]

When I first entered blackpill spaces, blackpill was simply considered the next step of the redpill, an extention you found if you stayed in the manosphere long enough. Much like the redpill before it, it was never meant to be mainstream, but not for the reasons many think.

@6ft4 made a post on this topic recently about how normies muddle the message of esoteric ideas due to their low IQ.

The downside of the "blackpill" and right wing talking points going mainstream on social media is how low IQ takes start muddying the message

I posted about this before but in Ireland "tall dark and handsome" means a tall irish guy who isn't a ginger or nerdic aka the default irish guy archetype of dark hair. In a street interview vid on instagram some irish foids were asked their type and they said "tall dark and handsome" and the...

looksmax.org

However, this doesnt paint the full story since people who rot on forums like these are generally not normie and ND (not talking about looksmax greycels), and yet the messaging and vibe of offtopic has changed to be more bluepilled in nature. Previously understood and explained concepts are questioned, eg. retarded threads on "bp isnt true, i saw an ugly dude with a gl foid" posted daily. Its even more aggravating when the most water threads get pages of replies that should be basic understanding.

Imo the reason this happens is because a lot of new blackpillers are young and find the ideas through tiktok and instagram, instead of real life experience. Back in the day anyone who found the manosphere had usually gone through one or many traumatising experiences with women, including being rejected multiple times, being cheated on, being divorce raped and so on. This meant that the average age was not only older, the concepts were understood more intrinsically because it was backed by experience. If you were an oofy doofy who found his becky girlfriend of 3 years cheating on you with chad, you would never question how normies are in relationship with gl girls, because at one point YOU were that normie and you know how it turns out.

This is a common occurrence that happens in philosophy as well, lots of new readers pickup their favourite philosopher's most prized book and then not understand anything, dropping the subject as schizo ramblings. However, that is not the correct way to read such works since a lot of philosophy is responding to other philosophers. The most popular example i can think of is Nietzche, which every edgy 20 something year old picks up to seem well read. However, a lot of Neitzche's work is responding to Schopenhauer, who most people dont read. Thus he's one of the most misunderstood writers and is mischaracterised as a Nihilist when he explicitly writes *against* nihilism. Neitzche is the whitepill to Schopenhauer's blackpill.

To even understand Schopenhauer however, a background understanding of Kant is required, which again needs the knowledge of rationalist and empericist debates before him, and so on.

Coming back, to be blackpilled you had to go through years of constant rejection and disillusionment before you agreed with its ideas. This usually meant finding TheRedPill and PUA, which often even worked for the slightly aspie failed normies that lurk and rot on the forum these days. People make fun of Redpill now, but its actually a very theoretically dense exposition of human nature and intergender dynamics. To be blackpilled meant you already understood these concepts, and then built on TOP of it. The progress of Bluepill -> PUA -> Redpill -> Blackpill has been severed however, and the mainstreaming of both redpill and blackpill have contributed to this.

Nobody reads hundereds of pages of The Manipulated Man or The Rational Male anymore, not even modern day redpillers, which back in the day were mandatory reading before you could even contribute to TRP. Jokers like Hamza and Andrew Tate are to blame for this. The truth is, lookism simply doesn't explain the full extent of female nature, which is what the blackpill has been reduced to at this point. The other manosphere concepts are essential to gain a holistic understanding, but unfortunately this knowledge has been lost.

Many failed normies here would unironically benefit from reading the TRP sidebar and never even finding out about the blackpill in the first place. Blackpill was and should've been limited to autistic incels or a small subgroup of ugly men who ascended due to genetics or looksmaxxing, and NOT the average slightly weird teenager. This shit is true, but only if you understand and accept it fully, which most here aren't really gonna do. Thus, the conversation has changed and bp has become misunderstood.

 

[Vantablack]

@Jason Voorhees @Aladin @Foreverbrad tagging some ex redpill chuds

 

[looksmaxxed]

the blackpill has become a bit irrelevant. what's the point of caring about looks and hypergamy or whatever, when you're just going to be genocided by blacks and jews.

i prefer less general blackpill content and more relevant ones like this:

Black Pilled

A trusty flashlight in the dark corners of the internet.

odysee.com

 

[Vantablack]

the blackpill has become a bit irrelevant. what's the point of caring about looks and hypergamy or whatever, when you're just going to be genocided by blacks and jews.

i prefer less general blackpill content and more relevant ones like this:

Black Pilled

A trusty flashlight in the dark corners of the internet.

odysee.com

"whats the point of living if ur gonna die anyways" bro

 

[aidenltn17]

When I first entered blackpill spaces, blackpill was simply considered the next step of the redpill, an extention you found if you stayed in the manosphere long enough. Much like the redpill before it, it was never meant to be mainstream, but not for the reasons many think.

@6ft4 made a post on this topic recently about how normies muddle the message of esoteric ideas due to their low IQ.

The downside of the "blackpill" and right wing talking points going mainstream on social media is how low IQ takes start muddying the message

I posted about this before but in Ireland "tall dark and handsome" means a tall irish guy who isn't a ginger or nerdic aka the default irish guy archetype of dark hair. In a street interview vid on instagram some irish foids were asked their type and they said "tall dark and handsome" and the...

looksmax.org

However, this doesnt paint the full story since people who rot on forums like these are generally not normie and ND (not talking about looksmax greycels), and yet the messaging and vibe of offtopic has changed to be more bluepilled in nature. Previously understood and explained concepts are questioned, eg. retarded threads on "bp isnt true, i saw an ugly dude with a gl foid" posted daily. Its even more aggravating when the most water threads get pages of replies that should be basic understanding.

Imo the reason this happens is because a lot of new blackpillers are young and find the ideas through tiktok and instagram, instead of real life experience. Back in the day anyone who found the manosphere had usually gone through one or many traumatising experiences with women, including being rejected multiple times, being cheated on, being divorce raped and so on. This meant that the average age was not only older, the concepts were understood more intrinsically because it was backed by experience. If you were an oofy doofy who found his becky girlfriend of 3 years cheating on you with chad, you would never question how normies are in relationship with gl girls, because at one point YOU were that normie and you know how it turns out.

This is a common occurrence that happens in philosophy as well, lots of new readers pickup their favourite philosopher's most prized book and then not understand anything, dropping the subject as schizo ramblings. However, that is not the correct way to read such works since a lot of philosophy is responding to other philosophers. The most popular example i can think of is Nietzche, which every edgy 20 something year old picks up to seem well read. However, a lot of Neitzche's work is responding to Schopenhauer, who most people dont read. Thus he's one of the most misunderstood writers and is mischaracterised as a Nihilist when he explicitly writes *against* nihilism. Neitzche is the whitepill to Schopenhauer's blackpill.

To even understand Schopenhauer however, a background understanding of Kant is required, which again needs the knowledge of rationalist and empericist debates before him, and so on.

Coming back, to be blackpilled you had to go through years of constant rejection and disillusionment before you agreed with its ideas. This usually meant finding TheRedPill and PUA, which often even worked for the slightly aspie failed normies that lurk and rot on the forum these days. People make fun of Redpill now, but its actually a very theoretically dense exposition of human nature and intergender dynamics. To be blackpilled meant you already understood these concepts, and then built on TOP of it. The progress of Bluepill -> PUA -> Redpill -> Blackpill has been severed however, and the mainstreaming of both redpill and blackpill have contributed to this.

Nobody reads hundereds of pages of The Manipulated Man or The Rational Male anymore, not even modern day redpillers, which back in the day were mandatory reading before you could even contribute to TRP. Jokers like Hamza and Andrew Tate are to blame for this. The truth is, lookism simply doesn't explain the full extent of female nature, which is what the blackpill has been reduced to at this point. The other manosphere concepts are essential to gain a holistic understanding, but unfortunately this knowledge has been lost.

Many failed normies here would unironically benefit from reading the TRP sidebar and never even finding out about the blackpill in the first place. Blackpill was and should've been limited to autistic incels or a small subgroup of ugly men who ascended due to genetics or looksmaxxing, and NOT the average slightly weird teenager. This shit is true, but only if you understand and accept it fully, which most here aren't really gonna do. Thus, the conversation has changed and bp has become misunderstood.

my attention span is too shit dnr

 

[takethewhitepill]

Yeah people need to not skip over the redpill, lots of them can even quit there and be happy. The biggest issue is that nowadays people just think of Andrew Tate and shit but that's not really the redpill, it's mgtow first and pua later and that's really it. Understanding pua let's you realise that ultimately it is how you look that matters most because how smooth your game is depends on how attractive they find you and hence how receptive they are, and also that if you look better then you can almost beat hypergamy and not worry about mgtow issues, that is you can slay and have no worries or you can marry and expect her to stay because you look good.
The next real progression is being more and more whitepilled, starting with looksmaxxing which is saying that it isn't just bones and genetics but how you live that determines some of your looks, that is, you have the power to change how you are perceived. This idea is inherently redpilled but they believe kn changing perception by acquiring outside things. And the goal returns to the bluepill, that is to reach a point where you can stop worrying about all of that and live a happy life. But newgens never reach this because they don't really get any of it and can't see what the ideal life should look like, they give up and submit to annihilation.

 

[looksmaxxed]

"whats the point of living if ur gonna die anyways" bro

what's higher on the priority list, surviving genocide, or fucking foids? how are you gonna fuck foids when you're dead?

 

[Vantablack]

And the goal returns to the bluepill,

this used to be the point of ascension, now however being blackpilled is seen as an aesthetic and people wallow in their own romanticised misery

 

[.Cx]

this used to be the point of ascension, now however being blackpilled is seen as an aesthetic and people wallow in their own romanticised misery

I hate the trucels acting proud.
Their supposed to actively work towards ascension and getting girls, but ow it's just a form of comedic relief for them

 

[Vantablack]

I hate the trucels acting proud.
Their supposed to actively work towards ascension and getting girls, but ow it's just a form of comedic relief for them

on the contrary, truecels are the only ones who should do that, since its over for them anyways. comedic relief can be a form of cope.

i was talking more from the perspective of the newgen failed normies that find blackpill from tiktok, since thats who this post is geared towards

 

[looksmaxxed]

i see lookism focus as a desperate last cope for the disenfranchised youth. they think they can just looksmax their way into positions that are simply barred from them on account of their race. unless you're jewish or brown, it won't work. and if you are jewish and brown, then you are ruinous to society and i don't want you to succeed anyway.

my view of the blackpill is that there is no move you can make to save yourself, and there is no saving society, the west, etc, etc. you should focus on strength and survival above looks, perish the thought of a family, buying a house, kids, that's not for your generation, maybe the generation that comes after the total and complete destruction of the west.

don't think about kids, they're a liability anyway, the enemy cartel, antifa, fbi, etc could target them. better to understand your role in he current stage of civilization. the west is a husk, we are the wrecking ball

 

[Clqs]

Not reading, but true

 

[Vantablack]

i see lookism focus as a desperate last cope for the disenfranchised youth. they think they can just looksmax their way into positions that are simply barred from them on account of their race. unless you're jewish or brown, it won't work. and if you are jewish and brown, then you are ruinous to society and i don't want you to succeed anyway.

my view of the blackpill is that there is no move you can make to save yourself, and there is no saving society, the west, etc, etc. you should focus on strength and survival above looks, perish the thought of a family, buying a house, kids, that's not for your generation, maybe the generation that comes after the total and complete destruction of the west.

don't think about kids, they're a liability anyway, the enemy cartel, antifa, fbi, etc could target them. better to understand your role in he current stage of civilization. the west is a husk, we are the wrecking ball

i think you overplay the importance of race, but i agree with your sentiment. if the mouse utopia experiments are anything to go by, we're in the final stages of collapse

 

[gymceltard]

Coming back, to be blackpilled you had to go through years of constant rejection and disillusionment before you agreed with its ideas. This usually meant finding TheRedPill and PUA, which often even worked for the slightly aspie failed normies that lurk and rot on the forum these days. People make fun of Redpill now, but its actually a very theoretically dense exposition of human nature and intergender dynamics. To be blackpilled meant you already understood these concepts, and then built on TOP of it. The progress of Bluepill -> PUA -> Redpill -> Blackpill has been severed however, and the mainstreaming of both redpill and blackpill have contributed to this.

This is the highest IQ paragraph I've ever read on this forum deadass bro.

As an 28 year oldcel I went through that exact cycle you wrote about. From bluepill to PUA to redpill to Blackpilled (after finding FACEandLMS youtube channel).

Meanwhile I open tiktok and see little 13 year old kids discussing blackpill and "bp edits" It's so over for the youth man, social media has raped their brains. These kids think you need to be a male model 6'5 Chad to get a gf thanks to tiktok and they've never even SPOKE to a female or tried to improve their looks at all.

 

[DeborahAnnWollFARTS]

0 molecules

 

[Vantablack]

This is the highest IQ paragraph I've ever read on this forum deadass bro.

As an 28 year oldcel I went through that exact cycle you wrote about. From bluepill to PUA to redpill to Blackpilled (after finding FACEandLMS youtube channel).

Meanwhile I open tiktok and see little 13 year old kids discussing blackpill and "bp edits" It's so over for the youth man, social media has raped their brains. These kids think you need to be a male model 6'5 Chad to get a gf thanks to tiktok and they've never even SPOKE to a female or tried to improve their looks at all.

same, im a bit younger 22 and i found manosphere due to being bullied in school and that shit worker for a while, until i started losing my looks due to excessive partying/drugs. it was only after that i swallowed the blackpill. i understand the concepts because ive lived them. yes exceptions exist but they're rare

these kids skip all these steps and jump straight to the end. then when theres a reality mismatch they write about how muh bluepill is right, when they simply have no experience to understand what they're seeing.

hopefully its a trend and will pass, but seeing the state of redpill im worried about the future of these spaces

 

[gymceltard]

same, im a bit younger 22 and i found manosphere due to being bullied in school and that shit worker for a while, until i started losing my looks due to excessive partying/drugs. it was only after that i swallowed the blackpill. i understand the concepts because ive lived them. yes exceptions exist but they're rare

these kids skip all these steps and jump straight to the end. then when theres a reality mismatch they write about how muh bluepill is right, when they simply have no experience to understand what they're seeing.

hopefully its a trend and will pass, but seeing the state of redpill im worried about the future of these spaces

The thing is the bluepill isn't even 100% wrong. A guy who is a mentally ill non-NT autistic freak with an awful insufferable personality will repel people in general (not just women).

I do know guys who were average looking but have attractive gf's because they were very good social skills and good vibe with positive and uplifting personalities that could vibe with anyone in the room.

Meanwhile I've known tall goodlooking guys dating 5/10 chubby ethnic foids because they are shy and autistic/reserved and can't vibe with anyone. Not saying looks don't matter but NT and personality matter to an extent. All the pills (blue, red, black) have morsels of truth, even PUA pill has morsels of truth which FACEandLMS talked about in his blackpill videos.

Like the PUA mentality of numbers game spamming is legit, the guy in the club willing to ask out 100 females will have a much higher success rate than dudes who can't even handle 1 or 2 rejections without melting down. So all pills have truth to them

 

[FutureSlayer]

I'm glad I lived my asktrp phase lurking all of those oldcels knowledge and started with reading a physical copy of the rational male back in 2018. Yet not all that's bad comes to harm you since by watering up the surface level you sink the real knowledge even further hence making it extremely hard to dissect unless you have a lot of time and patience to dig it up.
What's bad is that 99% of threads are noise and trolling now, nobody really knows any rp lingo, AWALT may sound like a knock off wallmart to them. This is what bothers me, not being able to engage with good threads anymore, but I eventually grew accoustomed to messing around though

 

[GenerationalAutism]

the blackpill was wrong

 

[FutureSlayer]

i see lookism focus as a desperate last cope for the disenfranchised youth. they think they can just looksmax their way into positions that are simply barred from them on account of their race. unless you're jewish or brown, it won't work. and if you are jewish and brown, then you are ruinous to society and i don't want you to succeed anyway.

my view of the blackpill is that there is no move you can make to save yourself, and there is no saving society, the west, etc, etc. you should focus on strength and survival above looks, perish the thought of a family, buying a house, kids, that's not for your generation, maybe the generation that comes after the total and complete destruction of the west.

don't think about kids, they're a liability anyway, the enemy cartel, antifa, fbi, etc could target them. better to understand your role in he current stage of civilization. the west is a husk, we are the wrecking ball

Looksmaxxing for our post ww3 ruins harem theory

 

[Vantablack]

I'm glad I lived my asktrp phase lurking all of those oldcels knowledge and started with reading a physical copy of the rational male back in 2018.

Same brah, miss those asktrp days tbh

Yet not all that's bad comes to harm you since by watering up the surface level you sink the real knowledge even further hence making it extremely hard to dissect unless you have a lot of time and patience to dig it up.

If i understanding this correctly, do you mean to say that since the knowledge is deeper it causes less harm?

 

[FutureSlayer]

Same brah, miss those asktrp days tbh



If i understanding this correctly, do you mean to say that since the knowledge is deeper it causes less harm?

Both less psychological harm (infohazard) for them and less competition for us

 

[greeniestar22]

When I first entered blackpill spaces, blackpill was simply considered the next step of the redpill, an extention you found if you stayed in the manosphere long enough. Much like the redpill before it, it was never meant to be mainstream, but not for the reasons many think.

@6ft4 made a post on this topic recently about how normies muddle the message of esoteric ideas due to their low IQ.

The downside of the "blackpill" and right wing talking points going mainstream on social media is how low IQ takes start muddying the message

I posted about this before but in Ireland "tall dark and handsome" means a tall irish guy who isn't a ginger or nerdic aka the default irish guy archetype of dark hair. In a street interview vid on instagram some irish foids were asked their type and they said "tall dark and handsome" and the...

looksmax.org

However, this doesnt paint the full story since people who rot on forums like these are generally not normie and ND (not talking about looksmax greycels), and yet the messaging and vibe of offtopic has changed to be more bluepilled in nature. Previously understood and explained concepts are questioned, eg. retarded threads on "bp isnt true, i saw an ugly dude with a gl foid" posted daily. Its even more aggravating when the most water threads get pages of replies that should be basic understanding.

Imo the reason this happens is because a lot of new blackpillers are young and find the ideas through tiktok and instagram, instead of real life experience. Back in the day anyone who found the manosphere had usually gone through one or many traumatising experiences with women, including being rejected multiple times, being cheated on, being divorce raped and so on. This meant that the average age was not only older, the concepts were understood more intrinsically because it was backed by experience. If you were an oofy doofy who found his becky girlfriend of 3 years cheating on you with chad, you would never question how normies are in relationship with gl girls, because at one point YOU were that normie and you know how it turns out.

This is a common occurrence that happens in philosophy as well, lots of new readers pickup their favourite philosopher's most prized book and then not understand anything, dropping the subject as schizo ramblings. However, that is not the correct way to read such works since a lot of philosophy is responding to other philosophers. The most popular example i can think of is Nietzche, which every edgy 20 something year old picks up to seem well read. However, a lot of Neitzche's work is responding to Schopenhauer, who most people dont read. Thus he's one of the most misunderstood writers and is mischaracterised as a Nihilist when he explicitly writes *against* nihilism. Neitzche is the whitepill to Schopenhauer's blackpill.

To even understand Schopenhauer however, a background understanding of Kant is required, which again needs the knowledge of rationalist and empericist debates before him, and so on.

Coming back, to be blackpilled you had to go through years of constant rejection and disillusionment before you agreed with its ideas. This usually meant finding TheRedPill and PUA, which often even worked for the slightly aspie failed normies that lurk and rot on the forum these days. People make fun of Redpill now, but its actually a very theoretically dense exposition of human nature and intergender dynamics. To be blackpilled meant you already understood these concepts, and then built on TOP of it. The progress of Bluepill -> PUA -> Redpill -> Blackpill has been severed however, and the mainstreaming of both redpill and blackpill have contributed to this.

Nobody reads hundereds of pages of The Manipulated Man or The Rational Male anymore, not even modern day redpillers, which back in the day were mandatory reading before you could even contribute to TRP. Jokers like Hamza and Andrew Tate are to blame for this. The truth is, lookism simply doesn't explain the full extent of female nature, which is what the blackpill has been reduced to at this point. The other manosphere concepts are essential to gain a holistic understanding, but unfortunately this knowledge has been lost.

Many failed normies here would unironically benefit from reading the TRP sidebar and never even finding out about the blackpill in the first place. Blackpill was and should've been limited to autistic incels or a small subgroup of ugly men who ascended due to genetics or looksmaxxing, and NOT the average slightly weird teenager. This shit is true, but only if you understand and accept it fully, which most here aren't really gonna do. Thus, the conversation has changed and bp has become misunderstood.

TS SO BRUTAL BOOIIIIIII BRUTAL BRUTAL BRUTAL "just dont be bp" BRUTAL BOIIIII

 

[Vantablack]

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