yandex99
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2d ago
And it’s easy for a capitalist to take advantage of a desperate person
Then you <redacted> the capitalist and seize the means of production, instead of restricting immigration, so that profits are democratically managed by everyone.
They come to the US and do work for shit pay
They work for shit pay because a lot of them are undocumented immigrants, which means, unlike citizens, they are at risk of being deported, even more so if they organize, and their status reduces the number of jobs they can accept. The solution is not to deport them, but to ensure that they can enjoy the rights and privileges that citizens can enjoy. In other words, the solution is to adopt an immigration policy where any foreigner who sets foot on the US receives a green card instantly.
Are communists and socialists sure they have it right on immigration and open border theory?
We want more than an open border policy. We want abolition of all nation-states and their borders and establishment of a one world socialist government.
I feel like capitalists are laughing all the way to the bank as we embrace a melting pot society of diversity.
The capitalists didn't get to laugh in the USSR for example. Instead, they got what they deserved. And history will repeat again.
Also…immigration suppresses wages. This has been proven time and time again.
They actually don't. Immigrants don't lower the wages of everyone because they have to consume, which means they have to buy things, and their extra demand creates jobs. In cases they cause wages to fall in some industries they will cause wages to rise in other industries.
But let's assume they do. So what? The US is one of the richest and most developed countries in the world and most immigrants in the US come from countries that are insanely poor (most Americans wouldn't last a day surviving in such poverty) and, in many cases, ravaged by Western imperialism. Do you think communists believe that the right of the first world citizen to keep on enjoying their luxurious first world lifestyle is more important than the right of the third world immigrant to escape war and poverty and have a chance at survival? We would side with the struggling third world immigrant over the the whiny privileged first world citizen every single time.
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2d ago
And it’s easy for a capitalist to take advantage of a desperate person
Then you <redacted> the capitalist and seize the means of production, instead of restricting immigration, so that profits are democratically managed by everyone.
They come to the US and do work for shit pay
They work for shit pay because a lot of them are undocumented immigrants, which means, unlike citizens, they are at risk of being deported, even more so if they organize, and their status reduces the number of jobs they can accept. The solution is not to deport them, but to ensure that they can enjoy the rights and privileges that citizens can enjoy. In other words, the solution is to adopt an immigration policy where any foreigner who sets foot on the US receives a green card instantly.
Are communists and socialists sure they have it right on immigration and open border theory?
We want more than an open border policy. We want abolition of all nation-states and their borders and establishment of a one world socialist government.
I feel like capitalists are laughing all the way to the bank as we embrace a melting pot society of diversity.
The capitalists didn't get to laugh in the USSR for example. Instead, they got what they deserved. And history will repeat again.
Also…immigration suppresses wages. This has been proven time and time again.
They actually don't. Immigrants don't lower the wages of everyone because they have to consume, which means they have to buy things, and their extra demand creates jobs. In cases they cause wages to fall in some industries they will cause wages to rise in other industries.
But let's assume they do. So what? The US is one of the richest and most developed countries in the world and most immigrants in the US come from countries that are insanely poor (most Americans wouldn't last a day surviving in such poverty) and, in many cases, ravaged by Western imperialism. Do you think communists believe that the right of the first world citizen to keep on enjoying their luxurious first world lifestyle is more important than the right of the third world immigrant to escape war and poverty and have a chance at survival? We would side with the struggling third world immigrant over the the whiny privileged first world citizen every single time.
