This graph is so, so stupid

[SayNoToRotting]

It's just the same kid lifting his head up.

This is what prenetal T really does to a male face according to actual studies:

enough with these pop science meme graphs.

 

[Deleted member 2745]

Does high 2d,4d is bad?

 

[SayNoToRotting]

Does high 2d,4d is bad?

this will be a top contender for my new signature, congratulations

 

[Deleted member 2745]

this will be my new signature, congratulations

I have no idea how it works, seriously
Does high 2d 4d means high parental T?

 

[Gebirgscel]

my index is a lot smaller than the ring finger on both hands but im the face on the far right and incel explain OP???

because you are ugly

 

[Gebirgscel]

damn, are you sure that's the reason? what if its my personality or confidence or charisma?

Not even a good personality can save you from subhumanity, sweet summerchild, but this doesn't mean you should not improve it or you end up as bitter as the other selfhating virgins on here

 

[Gebirgscel]

i posted my face on r/amiugly and the chads and stacies on reddit told me im a 7/10 and i just need to be more outgoing and confidence

tomorrow i think i will go cold approaches after take c old shower and sleep no pillow (on floor), ok?

This

Updooted

 

[Deleted member 685]

(c) Facial photographs and measurement points
Frontal photographs were taken with a digital reflex camera (Canon EOS 300D) and a 116 mm lens. To standardize the photographs, all children were advised to look straight into the camera with neutral facial expression, to remove their glasses or any facial adornment and to tie their hair back. The camera was positioned at eye height 3.5 m away from the face. Studio lights helped standardize the light conditions. The children's heads were adjusted according to the Frankfort Horizontal Plane [26]. Photographs not meeting the standardization criteria (e.g. with laterally turned or smiling faces) were excluded.

Maybe before making such stupid claims, actually read the studies and realize it just looks like that cause the low prenatal T cuck has a narrower jaw, significantly bigger neurocranium and longer nose (with a bigger fleshier tip)
Oh and the study: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2011.2351

 

[Deleted member 1774]

imagine me fucking that

 

[SayNoToRotting]

(c) Facial photographs and measurement points
Frontal photographs were taken with a digital reflex camera (Canon EOS 300D) and a 116 mm lens. To standardize the photographs, all children were advised to look straight into the camera with neutral facial expression, to remove their glasses or any facial adornment and to tie their hair back. The camera was positioned at eye height 3.5 m away from the face. Studio lights helped standardize the light conditions. The children's heads were adjusted according to the Frankfort Horizontal Plane [26]. Photographs not meeting the standardization criteria (e.g. with laterally turned or smiling faces) were excluded.

Those were also the guidlines for the participants in the study I am refering to in the OP, here:

Link to "my" study

The test persons from that study were older than the ones in "your" study, but it was still only about prenetal T (Facial features in correlation with digit ratio).

Maybe before making such stupid claims, actually read the studies and realize it just looks like that cause the low prenatal T cuck has a narrower jaw, significantly bigger neurocranium and longer nose (with a bigger fleshier tip)
Oh and the study: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2011.2351

The graph from the other study also shows these differences, what's your point? It's different things that bug me.
The completely different shape of the ears, and the exaggerated difference in neck thickness (musculature difference is not that severe in children, even when you compare a girl with a boy) is a dead giveaway that they used angle-play to make the faces look more prenetal T. more or less unwillingly.


The highly arched eyebrows also look like the female template of prenetal T:

all in all it just looks like all the facial differences that occur when you lift your head up/down.
It looks different than the test results for men in the other study, especially the eyebrows:

Maybe the guidelines for the children in that study you link weren't strict enough, regarding head tilt an all.

This sounds unlikely, but there has to be some reason why it looks so different than in the other study.


However I will take back the term "pop science meme graph".
I made this assumption because I thought this graph was just badly fabricated.

 

[wristcel]

Which kid has high parental T? My face closer resembles the kid on the right. I'd like it to look more like the kid on the left (nice angular jaw and not round and ugly), so i'm assuming me and the kid on the right had Low parental T

 

[Butthurt Dweller]

All about dat punch power

 

[Deleted member 2205]

 

[Deleted member 3526]

Are these studies even reliable ?

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me but with a subhuman nose

 

[Deleted member 685]

Those were also the guidlines for the participants in the study I am refering to in the OP, here:

Link to "my" study

The test persons from that study were older than the ones in "your" study, but it was still only about prenetal T (Facial features in correlation with digit ratio).



The graph from the other study also shows these differences, what's your point? It's different things that bug me.
The completely different shape of the ears, and the exaggerated difference in neck thickness (musculature difference is not that severe in children, even when you compare a girl with a boy) is a dead giveaway that they used angle-play to make the faces look more prenetal T. more or less unwillingly.


The highly arched eyebrows also look like the female template of prenetal T:

all in all it just looks like all the facial differences that occur when you lift your head up/down.
It looks different than the test results for men in the other study, especially the eyebrows:

Maybe the guidelines for the children in that study you link weren't strict enough, regarding head tilt an all.

This sounds unlikely, but there has to be some reason why it looks so different than in the other study.


However I will take back the term "pop science meme graph".

I never said your study was wrong either (I've already come across this study btw) so you're fighting a strawman here.

It's interesting to know how both of those things you pointed out are correlated with a lower 2D4D ratio too btw:

Measurement of 2D:4D Ratio and Neck Circumference in Adolescents: Sexual Dimorphism and its Implications in Obesity – A Cross Sectional Study

A bidirectional relationship between testosterone and obesity is explained by the hypogonadal obesity cycle and evidence from reports stating that weight loss leads to increased testosterone levels. There is an alarming rise in the prevalence of obesity ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(Can't find the study on the ears rn, even though considering the high prenatal T seems to have a smaller neurocranium compared to the splanchocranium this could already explain the ears appearing "bigger" .)

Also you don't seem to grasp the concept here, the mean age of the participants of your study was around 23 years, meanwhile the age range of mine was 4-11!

Meaning they already went through an entire puberty thus pubertal testosterone already affected the rest of their face. Ofcourse its gonna look different, especially when you take into consideration prenatal testosterone influences the amount of pubertal testosterone. That's why mentioning the eyebrow arch is a bad idea when they're not even fully developed yet unlike participants of the study you linked.

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Which kid has high parental T? My face closer resembles the kid on the right. I'd like it to look more like the kid on the left (nice angular jaw and not round and ugly), so i'm assuming me and the kid on the right had Low parental T

The more to the right, the higher the overall androgen exposure was

 

[Deleted member 685]

No offense btw, just being critical here cause there's a limited amount of studies about 2d4d ratios and facial morphologies. No worry

 

[FatJattMofo]

Weird
How mouth width is on there. I don’t think there is a correlation