This is quite depressing

[Bewusst]

Been doing OMAD at around 1,500 kcal a day for a few weeks but 1,323 is too little even for me, despite being well adapted to intermittent fasting. Whatever it takes to reach single digit body fat % territory though. The tough part is maintaining it, not getting there. It would be a lot easier if I still worked out and were 20-30 lbs more lean muscle mass but it's too time consuming, considering my current life situation and since I mainly want to get that lean to improve my face. I really need to find better accommodation, so I can make bigger, less calorie dense, more satisfying meals. Rn I can't cook and don't even have access to a fridge, so it's mainly canned and processed foods and whole wheat bread besides fruit, ready-to-eat hard-boiled eggs and beer. Far from what you'd consider a healthy diet, although I still try to keep it somewhat balanced

 

[Entschuldigung]

Just starve yourself to death theory

 

[Bewusst]

Just starve yourself to death theory

eating slightly below your TDEE is far from starving

 

[Larpongstopper]

Why so lean, 17 percent should be enough for a lean face as the average man

 

[Deleted member 7076]

it says your underweight but you are eating below maintenence? shouldn't you be bulking to get a higher BMI then cut bf after

 

[Bewusst]

Why so lean, 17 percent should be enough for a lean face as the average man

People have different fat distribution genetics. I need to get much leaner than that but then again, I'm subhuman

 

[Bewusst]

it says your underweight but you are eating below maintenence? shouldn't you be bulking to get a higher BMI then cut bf after

BMI is meaningless. It's because I'm already leanish and don't work out but I'm not lean enough to look my "best" yet. Bulking is fucking stupid, no sane person should ever do it

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

single sigit bodyfat % will screw up your hormones long term, what's the point

 

[Bewusst]

single sigit bodyfat % will screw up your hormones long term, what's the point

 

[court monarch777]

Why so lean, 17 percent should be enough for a lean face as the average man

imagine being in this shit forum to look like an average man

 

[Deleted member 7076]

BMI is meaningless. It's because I'm already leanish and don't work out but I'm not lean enough to look my "best" yet. Bulking is fucking stupid, no sane person should ever do it

muscle building is suboptimal if you aren't in a surplus, what do you mean no sane person should do it

 

[Larpongstopper]

imagine being in this shit forum to look like an average man

Be grateful most don’t even get to average

 

[court monarch777]

Be grateful most don’t even get to average

thank you for the shit

 

[Deleted member 7725]

imagine being in this shit forum to look like an average man

I need jaw surgery just to be 5/10 average. My base was 3/10 before rhino and hair transplant.

 

[Bewusst]

muscle building is suboptimal if you aren't in a surplus, what do you mean no sane person should do it

Are you dyslexic? I don't work out

 

[Deleted member 14677]

get on the meth

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Are you dyslexic? I don't work out

you called me insane indirectly with no explanation

 

[Bewusst]

There's a drastic difference between different online calorie calculators. Bodybuilding.com for example estimates my TDEE to be around 1,800 kcal, using the same stats

Comparing multiple sites, I've seen anything from 1,200 to 2,200 lol. I'm seeing decent results at 1,500 kcal tho so I'll keep it there for now

 

[ETO]

There's a drastic difference between different online calorie calculators. Bodybuilding.com for example estimates my TDEE to be around 1,800 kcal, using the same stats

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Comparing multiple sites, I've seen anything from 1,200 to 2,200 lol. I'm seeing decent results at 1,500 kcal tho so I'll keep it there for now

its way different for everyone. I'm 195 pounds and I eat literally 2 small-medium meals a day. I barely get hungry

 

[Bewusst]

I eat literally 2 small-medium meals a day

"Small medium meals" is highly subjective. What you consider small, someone else may feel like his stomach is bursting, eating that meal. It also depends on volume/calorie density and how satiating the food is

 

[ETO]

"Small medium meals" is highly subjective. What you consider small, someone else may feel like his stomach is bursting, eating that meal. It also depends on volume/calorie density and how satiating the food is

something equating to around 2 hot pockets

 

[Bewusst]

something equating to around 2 hot pockets

Do you drink soda, milk, fruit juice, alcoholic beverages or consume liquid calories in any other form?

 

[ETO]

Do you drink soda, milk, fruit juice, alcoholic beverages or consume liquid calories in any other form?

orange juice and goat milk, water is all I drink. soda gives me fucking heartburn

 

[ChristianChad]

People have different fat distribution genetics. I need to get much leaner than that but then again, I'm subhuman

You probably have shit bones. How old ar you bruh?
There was recently a photo posted of a subhuman with shit bones but he was like single digit bodybuilder, yet he didn't look at all. It's all bones

 

[ChristianChad]

Get on Ray Peat diet and overtime you will get lean on 2,500 calories. Also check your Thyroid function and maybe get on T3

 

[Bewusst]

orange juice and goat milk, water is all I drink. soda gives me fucking heartburn

You need to consider the calories coming from that as well

 

[Bewusst]

You probably have shit bones. How old ar you bruh?
There was recently a photo posted of a subhuman with shit bones but he was like single digit bodybuilder, yet he didn't look at all. It's all bones

I'm 24. Shit bones or not, almost everyone looks better when lean and I want to improve what I can. Look at Christian Bale's face in the machinist. Scrawny af and anorexic body but his face had great definition and no visible fat, despite suboptimal bone structure. That's what I want

Also, leave me alone with that Ray Peat bullshit. Most of the idiots on that forum consume 3k+ kcal a day, thinking that "healing muh metabolism", "detoxifying PUFA" and bathing in sugar will make them lose weight, despite being in a massive calorie surplus. He has valid points (e.g. amino acid balance) but as far as weight management is concerned, it's all about calories in vs calories out period.

 

[ETO]

You need to consider the calories coming from that as well

Im just low energy almost all the time. I rarely feel fully alive

 

[Bewusst]

Im just low energy almost all the time. I rarely feel fully alive

Your point?

 

[ETO]

Your point?

why I dont consume alot of food

 

[Bewusst]

why I dont consume alot of food

That makes no sense at all. Eat better and more and cut down on high calorie beverages, maintain a small-moderate calorie deficit and you'll feel better while losing weight

 

[ETO]

That makes no sense at all. Eat better and more and cut down on high calorie beverages, maintain a small-moderate calorie deficit and you'll feel better while losing weight

orange juice and goat milk are extremely healthy. If i lose weight im gonna lose my intimidation factor that gives me a small ego boost every time I go out

 

[paranakee]

You may want to try some of the recipes for soylent-like meal repleacement drinks here: https://www.completefoods.co/

Some of the recipes can be quite cost-effective depending on where you live

If youre afraid of jaw muscle degeneration you can always chew gum or smthgn

 

[ChristianChad]

I'm 24. Shit bones or not, almost everyone looks better when lean and I want to improve what I can. Look at Christian Bale's face in the machinist. Scrawny af and anorexic body but his face had great definition and no visible fat, despite suboptimal bone structure. That's what I want

Also, leave me alone with that Ray Peat bullshit. Most of the idiots on that forum consume 3k+ kcal a day, thinking that "healing muh metabolism", "detoxifying PUFA" and bathing in sugar will make them lose weight, despite being in a massive calorie surplus. He has valid points (e.g. amino acid balance) but as far as weight management is concerned, it's all about calories in vs calories out period.

If you increase your metabolism via good food your calorie requirements increases and it is easier to go into a deficient and also you get better body composition

 

[Bewusst]

If you increase your metabolism via good food your calorie requirements increases and it is easier to go into a deficient and also you get better body composition

Muh increase your metabolism. It's a meme. You can't significantly alter your metabolism with diet alone, unless you have a thyroid condition, metabolic syndrome or other medical condition to begin with, which most people don't. It's massively overblown by the Ray Peat community. As I said earlier, if I still worked out and had 20-30 lbs more muscle, I could get away with eating more, since my energy expenditure would increase. I may take it up again eventually but not in the near future

 

[Bewusst]

orange juice and goat milk are extremely healthy

Debatable but they're not if you consume so much of them that it makes you fat

If i lose weight im gonna lose my intimidation factor that gives me a small ego boost every time I go out

Imagine getting an ego boost from being overweight

 

[Bewusst]

You may want to try some of the recipes for soylent-like meal repleacement drinks here: https://www.completefoods.co/

Some of the recipes can be quite cost-effective depending on where you live

If youre afraid of jaw muscle degeneration you can always chew gum or smthgn

I hope you're trolling. Why would I want to use meal replacements if I can't eat much in the first place? I prefer to enjoy my one meal in the evening instead of slurping soylent or the like

I'm not afraid of "jaw muscle degeneration" lol, I already chew gum throughout the day and my calorie deficit isn't that big anyway

 

[klamus]

Just starve yourself to death theory

Youre never gonna lose noticeable Weight with 300 calorie deficit. You gotta go hard For a few months

 

[Bewusst]

Youre never gonna lose noticeable Weight with 300 calorie deficit. You gotta go hard For a few months

It takes longer but you'll still lose weight. It's also more sustainable in the long term than extreme calorie deficits. I've literally cut my body weight in half over the years without even counting calories or the intention of dieting, just eating less and listening to my body. Now it's just the finishing touch to get into single digit bf % territory. I'm already pretty lean

 

[ETO]

Debatable but they're not if you consume so much of them that it makes you fat

Imagine getting an ego boost from being overweight

I'm pretty lean, I don't have a six pack but my forearms are vascular. I used to take steroids but now I just maintain with various prohormones.