This is what i have been saying from day one and people don't believe me

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

David laid is NOT natty @cocainecowboy i have the exact same body type with similar height and i juice here's the evidence:

 

[Deleted member 2933]

body is cope

 

[diggbicc]

Just stop hating on his gains bro

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Ofc he's not natty. Nattys don't look impressive unless they have elite genetics.
You can still look good irl natty, but not internet good.

 

[diggbicc]

Jfl at anyone who believed he was natty

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

Ofc he's not natty. Nattys don't look impressive unless they have elite genetics.
You can still look good irl natty, but not internet good.

Because people have been saying no he's not which fried my brain

Just stop hating on his gains bro

I am not hating at all in fact he's a huge inspiration to me i am juicing atm

body is cope

No bro it helps if you have a decent face

 

[Deleted member 2486]

ill watch vid later, but doucette is not a person i can take seriously (ive seen a lot of his videos before)

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

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ill watch vid later, but doucette is not a person i can take seriously (ive seen a lot of his videos before)

He's a manlet but the points he made are 100% legit

 

[Deleted member 2486]

He's a manlet but the points he made are 100% legit

i watched the video now. all the "legit" points he made has been already made by philion,VG, brandon harding and others. every other point he made is anecdotal evidence and hes comparing half the things to himself which make no sense cuz they're obviously differently built with different genetics. i never said i'm 100% convinced he's natty, he very well could be on something, but i'm still not convinced, not even by this video, it didn't change my level of suspicion whatsoever tbh

U were also comparing yourself to him in the original thread, whichs again anecdotal evidence and on top all things, i have very similar frame to him myself and i've built more muscle within little over a year than anybody on this forum is willing to believe (over 20kgs naturally) and i dont even care to argue about it cuz people are just inherently preconcieved about the notion that you can't look good naturally or build muscle or become exceptionally strong, so there's 0 way anybody is willing to believe me and I understand that. You obviously need to be an outlier to have even a physique on steroids like he does, but then how do you know he's not an extreme outlier? How do you know the limits of being an outlier? Like he very well could be on something and I'm obviously somewhat biased, because I like his channel, but that isn't going to delude me thinking anybody can build a physique like that if they train liek him. I never for a second believed that, I just believed he has 1 in a million genetics as a whole, with his face, frame, height, physique etc.

I will only believe he's unnatural a; comes out with it b; starts making significant strength and physique progress (despite being at natural limit IF he's actually natural)

All these accusations and anecdotal evidence that I've seen ages ago do nothing

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

i watched the video now. all the "legit" points he made has been already made by philion,VG, brandon harding and others. every other point he made is anecdotal evidence and hes comparing half the things to himself which make no sense cuz they're obviously differently built with different genetics. i never said i'm 100% convinced he's natty, he very well could be on something, but i'm still not convinced, not even by this video, it didn't change my level of suspicion whatsoever tbh

U were also comparing yourself to him in the original thread, whichs again anecdotal evidence and on top all things, i have very similar frame to him myself and i've built more muscle within little over a year than anybody on this forum is willing to believe (over 20kgs naturally) and i dont even care to argue about it cuz people are just inherently preconcieved about the notion that you can't look good naturally or build muscle or become exceptionally strong, so there's 0 way anybody is willing to believe me and I understand that. You obviously need to be an outlier to have even a physique on steroids like he does, but then how do you know he's not an extreme outlier? How do you know the limits of being an outlier? Like he very well could be on something and I'm obviously somewhat biased, because I like his channel, but that isn't going to delude me thinking anybody can build a physique like that if they train liek him. I never for a second believed that, I just believed he has 1 in a million genetics as a whole, with his face, frame, height, physique etc.

I will only believe he's unnatural a; comes out with it b; starts making significant strength and physique progress (despite being at natural limit IF he's actually natural)

All these accusations and anecdotal evidence that I've seen ages ago do nothing

He broke all his strength plateaus in late 2017 early 2018 in the span of few months with 50 lbs difference and more in major lifts which is impossible natty plus he was 215 lbs shredded to the bone at the time and now he hovers around 190 lbs shredded. I love the dude and he's a huge inspiration to me but some things are way too obvious. Anyway even though he's on gear he has top tier genetics.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

He broke all his strength plateaus in late 2017 early 2018 in the span of few months with 50 lbs difference and more in major lifts which is impossible natty plus he was 215 lbs shredded to the bone at the time and now he hovers around 190 lbs shredded. I love the dude and he's a huge inspiration to me but some things are way too obvious. Anyway even though he's on gear he has top tier genetics.

this guy is stronger than david laid and looks half the size. deadlifted more than laid ever did at 17 years old. i guess you also think he's on steroids, despite him having a 100% natty achieveable physique (its not even debatable if you see him in motion)

strength claims mean nothing, its very person dependant

how you look or where you start from or what speed ur progressing doesnt determine ur end potential

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

this guy is stronger than david laid and looks half the size. deadlifted more than laid ever did at 17 years old. i guess you also think he's on steroids, despite him having a 100% natty achieveable physique (its not even debatable if you see him in motion)

strength claims mean nothing, its very person dependant

how you look or where you start from or what speed ur progressing doesnt determine ur end potential

Even this dude could be on gear. I'd say 80% probability. But this discussion has no purpose. I'd stick to my opinion and you'd stick to yours. Let's just agree to lift hard and get aesthetic af.

 

[Vitruvian]

why does it matter if they secretly pin their ass with an injectable liquid? they are way better looking facially, hence the reason they get views

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

why does it matter if they secretly pin their ass with an injectable liquid? they are way better looking facially, hence the reason they get views

To not decieve their fans into thinking they can achieve something remotely close to this is achievable natty

 

[Deleted member 3583]

Reminder: He says that he has trouble eating and often eats very little in a day and his whole squad is 100% juiced up with one of them admitting it. His best buddies are blasting tren left, right and centre and he isn't? You decide

 

[KEy21]

It’s very obvious that he’s natural 80-90% of the time and he’s roided to kickstart bulks among other things.

It explains why he has tons of pics and videos where he looks roided and most of the time he’d be able to pass a test and just looks like someone with normal above average genetics who trains hard.

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Disgusting skin tbh

 

[Vitruvian]

natty copers do not realize the true reason they defend their beloved fitness youtubers. because all these guys haloed by their forward growth and facial aesthetic could manipulate their minuscule brains into thinking they are good little boys. Face halo actually makes people trust in their abilities. nobody questions 2s when

is mentioned to be on roids. its always the ones who are already top 10% of looks that get hoards of little boys defending them.

 

[FatJattMofo]

its natty achievable either way. atleast the shoulders to hip. the muscle mass could also be on a different frame thickness and height combo

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

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ill watch vid later, but doucette is not a person i can take seriously (ive seen a lot of his videos before)

hes probably the most knowelegable guy out there in youtube fitness. Him and Derek are the two who know the most about AAS and sarms and how to actually use them safely and effectively, just because hes an oldcel manlet doesn't mean his advice isn't good

 

[Deleted member 2486]

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natty copers do not realize the true reason they defend their beloved fitness youtubers. because all these guys haloed by their forward growth and facial aesthetic could manipulate their minuscule brains into thinking they are good little boys. Face halo actually makes people trust in their abilities. nobody questions 2s when View attachment 172630 is mentioned to be on roids. its always the ones who are already top 10% of looks that get hoards of little boys defending them.

no i dont believe any of those are natty, but i believe david laid CAN be potentially natural

hes probably the most knowelegable guy out there in youtube fitness. Him and Derek are the two who know the most about AAS and sarms and how to actually use them safely and effectively, just because hes an oldcel manlet doesn't mean his advice isn't good

i don't care about his credentials. the few vids ive seen of him (other than this one) he didn't strike me smart or pragmatic

derek guy is very smart and knowledgeable tho, i agree

 

[Vitruvian]

no i dont believe any of those are natty, but i believe david laid CAN be potentially natural

the body doesnt matter. the real reason he lives rent free on the internet.

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

More like blasts from time to time and cruises he fried his hpta system he's been juicing since 16

It’s very obvious that he’s natural 80-90% of the time and he’s roided to kickstart bulks among other things.

It explains why he has tons of pics and videos where he looks roided and most of the time he’d be able to pass a test and just looks like someone with normal above average genetics who trains hard.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

View attachment 172648View attachment 172649View attachment 172650View attachment 172651 the body doesnt matter. the real reason he lives rent free on the internet.

yes indeed his face is the reason he became posterboy for gymcelling among many other fitness youtubers

the body matters to me bcuz i have similar frame and delt insertions as he does, so it gives me basis of what i'll look like in a few years and gives me inspiration too obviously. and besides all looks and bodybuilding, he makes the best-edited videos in the fitness scene and i follow a lot of fitness influencers

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

yes indeed his face is the reason he became posterboy for gymcelling among many other fitness youtubers

the body matters to me bcuz i have similar frame and delt insertions as he does, so it gives me basis of what i'll look like in a few years and gives me inspiration too obviously. and besides all looks and bodybuilding, he makes the best-edited videos in the fitness scene and i follow a lot of fitness influencers

I agree his editing is sick

 

[KEy21]

More like blasts from time to time and cruises he fried his hpta system he's been juicing since 16

Doubt he cruises, htpa system recovers fine most of the time especially in youth irrespective of what the fearmongering steroid sites try to tell people

 

[Tony]

fite me

 

[Deleted member 2486]

fite me

simeon panda is natty

 

[Tony]

simeon panda is natty

legit

 

[Anasurimbor]

pretty sure he cycles occasionally. But that's it. Roids in moderate+ dose most of the time heavily affect your facial aesthetics, and he still looks young and un-aged most of the time. Even with decent ai I usually look older by 8-10 years when on cycle. Same with a few guys who I know juice periodically. Probably the effect of sodium retention. One of the main reason why il never hop on test for life.

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

Doubt he cruises, htpa system recovers fine most of the time especially in youth irrespective of what the fearmongering steroid sites try to tell people

Not when you start mid teens i bet my left nut he's on trt

pretty sure he cycles occasionally. But that's it. Roids in moderate+ dose most of the time heavily affect your facial aesthetics, and he still looks young and un-aged most of the time. Even with decent ai I usually look older by 8-10 years when on cycle. Same with a few guys who I know juice periodically. Probably the effect of sodium retention. One of the main reason why il never hop on test for life.

Test levels will start dropping after 30.you'll have to inject at some point to keep muscle and libido

 

[lookismfugee]

no one making money off shit like this is natural. like why would be they

 

[KEy21]

Not when you start mid teens i bet my left nut he's on trt

Test levels will start dropping after 30.you'll have to inject at some point to keep muscle and libido

You would lose your left nut then lol

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

You would lose your left nut then lol

Lol no if you haven't been lifting for more than 2 years you can't judge tbh

no one making money off shit like this is natural. like why would be they

Exactly.

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natty copers do not realize the true reason they defend their beloved fitness youtubers. because all these guys haloed by their forward growth and facial aesthetic could manipulate their minuscule brains into thinking they are good little boys. Face halo actually makes people trust in their abilities. nobody questions 2s when View attachment 172630 is mentioned to be on roids. its always the ones who are already top 10% of looks that get hoards of little boys defending them.

100% true

its natty achievable either way. atleast the shoulders to hip. the muscle mass could also be on a different frame thickness and height combo

Jfl if u think this is achievable natty one big jfl

 

[Deleted member 2486]

thing that ppl need to understand about laid is that his frame and insertions are exceptional

even if he was 30% smaller he would still look better than a lot of people who roid

even if you dont believe hes natty, hes prime example of how someone could look great natty (assuming he was smaller in this theoretical example)

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

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Disgusting skin tbh

I don't like the guy personally but he's 44

thing that ppl need to understand about laid is that his frame and insertions are exceptional

even if he was 30% smaller he would still look better than a lot of people who roid

even if you dont believe hes natty, hes prime example of how someone could look great natty (assuming he was smaller in this theoretical example)

You need to take off 20 lbs of muscle for him to be natty. Still top frame a'd muscle insertions i agree. Everyone is on gear anyway so doesn't matter that much.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

You need to take off 20 lbs of muscle for him to be natty. Still top frame a'd muscle insertions i agree. Everyone is on gear anyway so doesn't matter that much.

hes 190 lbs at 6'3"

 

[Time Travel]

i never doubted that he was on some stuff

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

hes 190 lbs at 6'3"

That's now and he's very likely to be on supraphysiological trt test dose don't forget he's something like 8% bf because he's a pure ecto that's not small by any stretch of imagination. He was 215 lbs shredded in early 2018 when he was blasting. He'd be 180 lbs or less off everything. But as u said he has top genetics frame wise and muscle insertions wise and it doesn't matter because everyone is on gear.

 

[MicroPenis]

face halo

no one talks about ugly gymcels

 

[Pietrosiek]

I'm not expert in gymceling, but he has geneticly low t (he always was skinny) and he has fast metaboilsm. So getting big gains with these 2 is very hard natural imo

 

[Deleted member 39]

OK, so what's possible natty? I have no idea if natty lifting is worth it or just a waste of time

 

[Pietrosiek]

OK, so what's possible natty? I have no idea if natty lifting is worth it or just a waste of time

depends i think but first year should be quick af. If you have naturally high t its easier than being low t

 

[KEy21]

Lol no if you haven't been lifting for more than 2 years you can't judge tbh

Exactly.

100% true

Jfl if u think this is achievable natty one big jfl

I bodymog you natty lol

You are just regurgitating what oldsters on roid forums say and they’re wrong...a guy in his early 20’s that does 2 cycles a year is not gonna be cruising on trt it’s retarded and not realistic...

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

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ill watch vid later, but doucette is not a person i can take seriously (ive seen a lot of his videos before)

ideal

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

I highly doubt you bodymog me natty i really doubt it but whatever.

I bodymog you natty lol

You are just regurgitating what oldsters on roid forums say and they’re wrong...a guy in his early 20’s that does 2 cycles a year is not gonna be cruising on trt it’s retarded and not realistic...

 

[Deleted member 245]

There's no reasoning with these people. Let them cope.

OK, so what's possible natty? I have no idea if natty lifting is worth it or just a waste of time

Google Eugen Sandow. He wasn't on gear because he was a bodybuilder before that stuff even existed. That's about as good as you can get naturally while being lean.

Maybe just maybe you can gain 2 extra lbs of muscle if you're autistic about it and do everything perfectly and you have good genetics.

 

[Titbot]

thing that ppl need to understand about laid is that his frame and insertions are exceptional

even if he was 30% smaller he would still look better than a lot of people who roid

even if you dont believe hes natty, hes prime example of how someone could look great natty (assuming he was smaller in this theoretical example)

BBC theory

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

There's no reasoning with these people. Let them cope.



Google Eugen Sandow. He wasn't on gear because he was a bodybuilder before that stuff even existed. That's about as good as you can get naturally while being lean.

Maybe just maybe you can gain 2 extra lbs of muscle if you're autistic about it and do everything perfectly and you have good genetics.

Natty potential is this:25 lbs of muscle in 3 years of hard work and then 5 lbs in the next 2 years then nothing. Like u said eugene is the perfect example of natty potential. That's the ceiling natty wise.

OK, so what's possible natty? I have no idea if natty lifting is worth it or just a waste of time

30 lbs of muscle in 5 years of lifting then nothing.

 

[didntreadlol]

david is a huge framecel