Thumb pulling

[gymcelmax]

Started thumb pulling a few days ago (19m) but read some threads on here and everyone’s calling it cope and it doesn’t work. My question is why would it not work in theory? If a palate expander works why can’t you manually do it yourself. You’d obviously be applying pressure for way less time on your palette but you’d be applying far more force when doing it. If I do full force thumb pulling every hour for 3-5 min is that not enough pressure to actually expand the palate and lead to forward growth? (Doing both lateral and frontal pulling)

 

[dark.max]

COPPEEEEEE

 

[dark.max]

ANY KIND OF FUCKING PULLING IS COPEEEE GREYCEL

 

[gymcelmax]

ANY KIND OF FUCKING PULLING IS COPEEEE GREYCEL

Yeah but I’m asking why , like why would applying a larger force over less time not equate to similar effects as a smaller but consistent force provided by expanders.

 

[dark.max]

Yeah but I’m asking why , like why would applying a larger force over less time not equate to similar effects as a smaller but consistent force provided by expanders.

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.
small consistent force is more inferior than strong temporary force.

 

[dark.max]

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.
small consistent force is more inferior than strong temporary force.

Rep this pls

 

[testogram]

Testogram

 

[gymcelmax]

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.
small consistent force is more inferior than strong temporary force.

Aight well that makes sense , so it could potentially work then at an insanely high frequency but no one’s gonna have their thumbs in their mouth for multiple hours a day lol

 

[dark.max]

Aight well that makes sense , so it could potentially work then at an insanely high frequency but no one’s gonna have their thumbs in their mouth for multiple hours a day lol

Exactly

 

[testogram]

Doesnt work jfl (btw im biggie cheese)

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.
small consistent force is more inferior than strong temporary force.

That isnt how bones in your skull work. Your maxilla WILL grow, without chewing hard things or pulling tough meats it will grow downwards, you need the force pushing it up constantly to keep it up. It will grow whether u push it up or not

Stay consistent you’ll see results age obviously matters a lot


And to ur reply, ur maxilla needs equal amount of force to “roll back down the hill”

 

[gymcelmax]

That isnt how bones in your skull work. Your maxilla WILL grow, without chewing hard things or pulling tough meats it will grow downwards, you need the force pushing it up constantly to keep it up. It will grow whether u push it up or not

Stay consistent you’ll see results age obviously matters a lot


And to ur reply, ur maxilla needs equal amount of force to “roll back down the hill”

Interesting , that make sense , have you personally experienced maxilla growth through softmaxxing methods?

 

[dark.max]

That isnt how bones in your skull work. Your maxilla WILL grow, without chewing hard things or pulling tough meats it will grow downwards, you need the force pushing it up constantly to keep it up. It will grow whether u push it up or not

Stay consistent you’ll see results age obviously matters a lot


And to ur reply, ur maxilla needs equal amount of force to “roll back down the hill”

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Interesting , that make sense , have you personally experienced maxilla growth through softmaxxing methods?

I’ve only recently started belt pulling tbh WAY more effective than thumb pulling atleast for me, i can feel the effects on my breathing

This is probably cause i can put force with my entire fucking arms instead of my little thumbs

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[gymcelmax]

That isnt how bones in your skull work. Your maxilla WILL grow, without chewing hard things or pulling tough meats it will grow downwards, you need the force pushing it up constantly to keep it up. It will grow whether u push it up or not

Stay consistent you’ll see results age obviously matters a lot


And to ur reply, ur maxilla needs equal amount of force to “roll back down the hill”

Also I’ve heard many stories of people’s faces becoming permanently bloated and looking worse off , after chewing mastic gum and other similar products aimed at growing masseters and promoting forward growth, anyway to avoid that? And avoid jaw complications ?

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Also I’ve heard many stories of people’s faces becoming permanently bloated and looking worse off , after chewing mastic gum and other similar products aimed at growing masseters and promoting forward growth, anyway to avoid that? And avoid jaw complications ?

Dont hypertrophy your massater muscle, do not progressively overload on the mastic gum

Your goal is to basically be using your mandible as a hammer, slamming your maxilla up over time

Obviously chewing hard foods will hyper trophy your massater muscle just a tad but you’ll be fine lol

Hard foods MUST be chewed in order for proper mandible development

Again this doesnt mean hypertrophy ur massater muscle

 

[beendonethat]

Started thumb pulling a few days ago (19m) but read some threads on here and everyone’s calling it cope and it doesn’t work. My question is why would it not work in theory? If a palate expander works why can’t you manually do it yourself. You’d obviously be applying pressure for way less time on your palette but you’d be applying far more force when doing it. If I do full force thumb pulling every hour for 3-5 min is that not enough pressure to actually expand the palate and lead to forward growth? (Doing both lateral and frontal pulling)

My suggestion would be to PULL out a job application and save for surgery if you want it that bad.


All this cope is a waste of time and that's the brutal truth, get your money up, get surgery. Don't waste time with anything else except drugs like TRT Accutane and hairloss treatment



Again, this is just my opinion, take it as you please.

 

[gymcelmax]

Dont hypertrophy your massater muscle, do not progressively overload on the mastic gum

Your goal is to basically be using your mandible as a hammer, slamming your maxilla up over time

Obviously chewing hard foods will hyper trophy your massater muscle just a tad but you’ll be fine lol

Hard foods MUST be chewed in order for proper mandible development

Again this doesnt mean hypertrophy ur massater muscle

Right , so don’t overdo it as it’s just a tool to ensure maxilla growth. Also , so you don’t have experience with thumb pulling? Only belt pulling? Any tips on belt pulling , I’ll look into it.

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Right , so don’t overdo it as it’s just a tool to ensure maxilla growth. Also , so you don’t have experience with thumb pulling? Only belt pulling? Any tips on belt pulling , I’ll look into it.

I do have experience with thumb pulling, just i think its less effective than belt pulling

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Right , so don’t overdo it as it’s just a tool to ensure maxilla growth. Also , so you don’t have experience with thumb pulling? Only belt pulling? Any tips on belt pulling , I’ll look into it.

Try to find an amount of mastic gum which is hard to chew, say maybe 6 pieces or whatever

Stick to it, everyday, dont increase it cause then what happens? You hypertrophy your massater muscle making you look bloated

Some hypertrphy in the beginning is expected tho

 

[gymcelmax]

My suggestion would be to PULL out a job application and save for surgery if you want it that bad.


All this cope is a waste of time and that's the brutal truth, get your money up, get surgery. Don't waste time with anything else except drugs like TRT Accutane and hairloss treatment



Again, this is just my opinion, take it as you please.

I hear ya fair enough , I look fine too , haven’t had look related problems ever , I’m more so obsessed with self improvement than anything , not trynna get surgery , but yeah sounds like most softmaxxing is cope, doesn’t take much of my time thumb pulling so I’ll try for a bit see if there’s any minor changes if not , imma drop it.

 

[Deleted member 89153]

It depends if your sutures are closed or not, for some it may work, still more chance to get brutal asymmetry, better invest in an mse expander.

 

[gymcelmax]

Try to find an amount of mastic gum which is hard to chew, say maybe 6 pieces or whatever

Stick to it, everyday, dont increase it cause then what happens? You hypertrophy your massater muscle making you look bloated

Some hypertrphy in the beginning is expected tho

Should I even bother if I’m eating a high meat diet (involves lots of hard chewing)

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Should I even bother if I’m eating a high meat diet (involves lots of hard chewing)

Yes still chew it lol

 

[gymcelmax]

It depends if your sutures are closed or not, for some it may work, still more chance to get brutal asymmetry, better invest in an mse expander.

Yeah the asymmetry is a fear but, many people advertising thumb pulling say forward growth if the maxilla will actually improve asymmetry

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Should I even bother if I’m eating a high meat diet (involves lots of hard chewing)

The fatty meat now isnt like before dude

Our ancestors were chewing and ripping past raw skin, collagenous tissue and LEAN meat, elk, deer, ect

If you wanna understand, get yourself a lamb shank and eat it raw and you’ll get a taste of it

 

[gymcelmax]

The fatty meat now isnt like before dude

Our ancestors were chewing and ripping past raw skin, collagenous tissue and LEAN meat, elk, deer, ect

If you wanna understand, get yourself a lamb shank and eat it raw and you’ll get a taste of it

yeah that’s true , tbh I look pretty good rn , do you think my facial aesthetics would suffer from belt pulling and thumb pulling, is there a good risk reward ratio?

 

[Deleted member 89153]

Yeah the asymmetry is a fear but, many people advertising thumb pulling say forward growth if the maxilla will actually improve asymmetry

On theory yes, but it's more of a cope.

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

yeah that’s true , tbh I look pretty good rn , do you think my facial aesthetics would suffer from belt pulling and thumb pulling, is there a good risk reward ratio?

Idk if ur downgrown over a long time it could help

 

[gymcelmax]

Idk if ur downgrown over a long time it could help

My maxilla isn’t bad , I do lack a bit of chin projection, there’s no way to fix that softmaxxing right?

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

My maxilla isn’t bad , I do lack a bit of chin projection, there’s no way to fix that softmaxxing right?

Nope not that i know of

 

[gymcelmax]

Nope not that i know of

Alright , well thanks for the advise

 

[gymcelmax]

Nope not that i know of

Also regarding chewing , would “the towel method” work or do I want to be chewing with my molars?

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Also regarding chewing , would “the towel method” work or do I want to be chewing with my molars?

Molars

 

[ThePrinceOfPersia]

Aight well that makes sense , so it could potentially work then at an insanely high frequency but no one’s gonna have their thumbs in their mouth for multiple hours a day lol

that why people do it once every hour, along with insane tongue exercises. he says it cope and it really is unless you try hard enough. make your palate adapt to it by strengthening your tongue as much as you can and basically do thumb pulls to failure. anything that requires bones to move you need to do till failure

 

[yue]

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.

so... mewing

 

[dark.max]

so... mewing

Bhai mewing is effective to lift the hyoid muscles but I’ve never seen someone expand the maxilla with it

 

[Spookybah]

Started thumb pulling a few days ago (19m) but read some threads on here and everyone’s calling it cope and it doesn’t work. My question is why would it not work in theory? If a palate expander works why can’t you manually do it yourself. You’d obviously be applying pressure for way less time on your palette but you’d be applying far more force when doing it. If I do full force thumb pulling every hour for 3-5 min is that not enough pressure to actually expand the palate and lead to forward growth? (Doing both lateral and frontal pulling)

this could all just be cope, but hear me out.

Ideally what you should be doing is thumbpulling and ALSO mewing. If the maxilla "rolls back down the hill" you should keep something there to prevent it from rolling it down (mewing). Also good posture. Water but wtv.

 

[Goonerholocaust]

You will never put enough force to fucking sculpt bone with your hands

 

[Outerz14]

Take this off looksmaxing thumb pulling doesn't work retard

 

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[khann]

Started thumb pulling a few days ago (19m) but read some threads on here and everyone’s calling it cope and it doesn’t work. My question is why would it not work in theory? If a palate expander works why can’t you manually do it yourself. You’d obviously be applying pressure for way less time on your palette but you’d be applying far more force when doing it. If I do full force thumb pulling every hour for 3-5 min is that not enough pressure to actually expand the palate and lead to forward growth? (Doing both lateral and frontal pulling)

Its not cope if done consistently. There is alot of ppl with great results online

 

[Sartore]

I do have experience with thumb pulling, just i think its less effective than belt pulling

what is belt pulling??

 

[rickysalomano]

it works 100% for increasing palaye width

 

[Olivecel]

Yes because the force is temporary,imagine pushing an object uphill for 2 minutes,it will go back down,imagine pushing the object until it’s up the hill with small force.
small consistent force is more inferior than strong temporary force.

The object is forced back down by gravity. Your maxilla is a bone with sutures. Completely different scenarios you can’t compare the two at all jfl. Cooope.

 

[Olivecel]

You will never put enough force to fucking sculpt bone with your hands

Your maxilla is held together by sutures. It’s not a solid bone.
If palate expanders work then why wouldn’t thumb pulling over time?

 

[goatyjoshua]

I believe it works you just need to mew to maintain the progress if you don’t it will go back to normal