Took my first Finasteride Pill today

[normieschmormie]

0.25mg
My dick did not drop off yet.
But will see what happens going forward.

Will post my PFS situation in a few months

 

[Deleted member 8080]

Over if u need that

 

[normieschmormie]

Over if you're not Meeks

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Finasteride, or any other 5AR inhibitor, is not inherently "bad". These drugs do exactly what they were designed to do.. which is to completely inhibit multiple isoforms or specific isoforms of the 5AR enzyme. The problem is that doing that is not an appropriate solution for hair loss because you need5AR expression for normal bodily function and these drugs cannot differentiate between 5AR in your hair follicles or your scalp vs your vascular tissues, digestive tissues, connective tissues, or even just a specific area of the body. Using these drugs is like using a nuclear weapon to kill one person in a large city of other benign people. You'll get the target your aiming for, but you'll also cause a lot of other carnage along the way.

We're at the genesis of an age of "smart" drugs and human genetic engineering that will solve most of these problems that tradition drugs can't fix. Traditional drugs lack the ability to have specificity for their targets. They affect whatever is in their path if the shoe fits... and for drugs that alter steroid receptor activation or steroid metabolism, they usually cause changes that negate the positive intended effects of the drug. If there were a drug that targeted 5AR with perfect specificity in the hair follicle, hair loss would no longer be a problem for most people, with the exception of those that still can't produce sufficient levels of intrafollicular estrogens.

When I first took finasteride (at the recommended dose of 1mg) it had a dramatic effect on my hair. It totally stopped falling out within 2-3 weeks and the diameter of my hair shaft became much thicker... like close to double the previous volume (it was thicker than it had ever been for me naturally). However, finasteride also made me feel horrible, but I continued using it anyway because I didn't think I had any other choice. Since finasteride is like that nuclear weapon I described, it didn't affect my endocrine system the positive ways that I wanted it to. It also caused my body to adjust to the unsafe environment caused by systemic 5AR inhibition throughout the body (your body really needs 5AR). The body's reflex to these enzymatic changes is to do whatever it takes to negate the damaging effects of finasteride. Finasteride will cause a sharp increase in systemic synthesis of estrogens and the body's recourse for this is to reduce steroid production and reduce aromatase and estrogen receptor expression... whatever it takes to lower estrogenic activity to lower levels. So, the net result of finasteride (lowered overall steroid synthesis) is worse than where you started to begin with.. before taking finasteride.

However, as I said, I continued to use finasteride because I didn't have the understanding of the pathology of hair loss that I currently have. I gradually became used to how shitty I felt. I became normal. When I changed my dietary and lifestyle habits and accelerated my body's ability to heal itself, I was able to realize just how awful the effects of finasteride can be. I became a completely different person when I recovered. I felt so damn good that, at this point, I would prefer being completely bald and feeling that way than to feel even just average with a full head of hair. Luckily, I don't think I have to compromise. I think I can have both once I've fully recovered from finasteride for the second time, which coming soon.

Finasteride use is simply not worth it. You trade your entire essence and holistic bodily health for marginally better hair (at least for most people that use it). Some can tolerate finasteride better than others because their genetic enzymology is different from others' and they're less systemically affected, but, I believe not only does it eventually catch up with them, finasteride is also less effective in people that don't experience as many side effects... and generally don't realize how it affects them because the change can be very gradual (again, depending on the person).

 

[Deleted member 8080]

Finasteride, or any other 5AR inhibitor, is not inherently "bad". These drugs do exactly what they were designed to do.. which is to completely inhibit multiple isoforms or specific isoforms of the 5AR enzyme. The problem is that doing that is not an appropriate solution for hair loss because you need5AR expression for normal bodily function and these drugs cannot differentiate between 5AR in your hair follicles or your scalp vs your vascular tissues, digestive tissues, connective tissues, or even just a specific area of the body. Using these drugs is like using a nuclear weapon to kill one person in a large city of other benign people. You'll get the target your aiming for, but you'll also cause a lot of other carnage along the way.

We're at the genesis of an age of "smart" drugs and human genetic engineering that will solve most of these problems that tradition drugs can't fix. Traditional drugs lack the ability to have specificity for their targets. They affect whatever is in their path if the shoe fits... and for drugs that alter steroid receptor activation or steroid metabolism, they usually cause changes that negate the positive intended effects of the drug. If there were a drug that targeted 5AR with perfect specificity in the hair follicle, hair loss would no longer be a problem for most people, with the exception of those that still can't produce sufficient levels of intrafollicular estrogens.

When I first took finasteride (at the recommended dose of 1mg) it had a dramatic effect on my hair. It totally stopped falling out within 2-3 weeks and the diameter of my hair shaft became much thicker... like close to double the previous volume (it was thicker than it had ever been for me naturally). However, finasteride also made me feel horrible, but I continued using it anyway because I didn't think I had any other choice. Since finasteride is like that nuclear weapon I described, it didn't affect my endocrine system the positive ways that I wanted it to. It also caused my body to adjust to the unsafe environment caused by systemic 5AR inhibition throughout the body (your body really needs 5AR). The body's reflex to these enzymatic changes is to do whatever it takes to negate the damaging effects of finasteride. Finasteride will cause a sharp increase in systemic synthesis of estrogens and the body's recourse for this is to reduce steroid production and reduce aromatase and estrogen receptor expression... whatever it takes to lower estrogenic activity to lower levels. So, the net result of finasteride (lowered overall steroid synthesis) is worse than where you started to begin with.. before taking finasteride.

However, as I said, I continued to use finasteride because I didn't have the understanding of the pathology of hair loss that I currently have. I gradually became used to how shitty I felt. I became normal. When I changed my dietary and lifestyle habits and accelerated my body's ability to heal itself, I was able to realize just how awful the effects of finasteride can be. I became a completely different person when I recovered. I felt so damn good that, at this point, I would prefer being completely bald and feeling that way than to feel even just average with a full head of hair. Luckily, I don't think I have to compromise. I think I can have both once I've fully recovered from finasteride for the second time, which coming soon.

Finasteride use is simply not worth it. You trade your entire essence and holistic bodily health for marginally better hair (at least for most people that use it). Some can tolerate finasteride better than others because their genetic enzymology is different from others' and they're less systemically affected, but, I believe not only does it eventually catch up with them, finasteride is also less effective in people that don't experience as many side effects... and generally don't realize how it affects them because the change can be very gradual (again, depending on the person).

Wow kid keep writing essays. Who tf is gonna read THAT?

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Wow kid keep writing essays. Who tf is gonna read THAT?

Finasteride, or any other 5AR inhibitor, is not inherently "bad". These drugs do exactly what they were designed to do.. which is to completely inhibit multiple isoforms or specific isoforms of the 5AR enzyme. The problem is that doing that is not an appropriate solution for hair loss because you need5AR expression for normal bodily function and these drugs cannot differentiate between 5AR in your hair follicles or your scalp vs your vascular tissues, digestive tissues, connective tissues, or even just a specific area of the body. Using these drugs is like using a nuclear weapon to kill one person in a large city of other benign people. You'll get the target your aiming for, but you'll also cause a lot of other carnage along the way.

We're at the genesis of an age of "smart" drugs and human genetic engineering that will solve most of these problems that tradition drugs can't fix. Traditional drugs lack the ability to have specificity for their targets. They affect whatever is in their path if the shoe fits... and for drugs that alter steroid receptor activation or steroid metabolism, they usually cause changes that negate the positive intended effects of the drug. If there were a drug that targeted 5AR with perfect specificity in the hair follicle, hair loss would no longer be a problem for most people, with the exception of those that still can't produce sufficient levels of intrafollicular estrogens.

When I first took finasteride (at the recommended dose of 1mg) it had a dramatic effect on my hair. It totally stopped falling out within 2-3 weeks and the diameter of my hair shaft became much thicker... like close to double the previous volume (it was thicker than it had ever been for me naturally). However, finasteride also made me feel horrible, but I continued using it anyway because I didn't think I had any other choice. Since finasteride is like that nuclear weapon I described, it didn't affect my endocrine system the positive ways that I wanted it to. It also caused my body to adjust to the unsafe environment caused by systemic 5AR inhibition throughout the body (your body really needs 5AR). The body's reflex to these enzymatic changes is to do whatever it takes to negate the damaging effects of finasteride. Finasteride will cause a sharp increase in systemic synthesis of estrogens and the body's recourse for this is to reduce steroid production and reduce aromatase and estrogen receptor expression... whatever it takes to lower estrogenic activity to lower levels. So, the net result of finasteride (lowered overall steroid synthesis) is worse than where you started to begin with.. before taking finasteride.

However, as I said, I continued to use finasteride because I didn't have the understanding of the pathology of hair loss that I currently have. I gradually became used to how shitty I felt. I became normal. When I changed my dietary and lifestyle habits and accelerated my body's ability to heal itself, I was able to realize just how awful the effects of finasteride can be. I became a completely different person when I recovered. I felt so damn good that, at this point, I would prefer being completely bald and feeling that way than to feel even just average with a full head of hair. Luckily, I don't think I have to compromise. I think I can have both once I've fully recovered from finasteride for the second time, which coming soon.

Finasteride use is simply not worth it. You trade your entire essence and holistic bodily health for marginally better hair (at least for most people that use it). Some can tolerate finasteride better than others because their genetic enzymology is different from others' and they're less systemically affected, but, I believe not only does it eventually catch up with them, finasteride is also less effective in people that don't experience as many side effects... and generally don't realize how it affects them because the change can be very gradual (again, depending on the person).

 

[normieschmormie]

Yeah, I'm taking it hoping I won't be in the small group of people (2%) who get persistent side effects.

It's a hard choice: ( for me Personally)
either limit down what women you can get to the worst of the worst (which most people wouldn't accept)
Or risk getting neurosteroid effects/ permanent ED.

It's a gamble


The only other option (hair systems) is not financially viable for me at the moment.
If I earned 40K a year I would pick hair System instead

Does this theory of "The negatives of Finasteride will eventually catch up with you" have any proof or experiences behind it though?

 

[normieschmormie]

Wow kid keep writing essays. Who tf is gonna read THAT?

It may be a troll post

 

[normieschmormie]

More Plates More dates View on PFS

 

[normieschmormie]

Getting PFS is a brutal blow.

Not getting PFS and keeping your hair is a huge Win.

It's just a lottery.

 

[SOS-Sonic]

Congrats OP, you are smarter than ~95% of people who are balding.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Does this theory of "The negatives of Finasteride will eventually catch up with you" have any proof or experiences behind it though?

I don't think so

just baldcels trying to prevent you from taking it

 

[grimy]

Finasteride, or any other 5AR inhibitor, is not inherently "bad". These drugs do exactly what they were designed to do.. which is to completely inhibit multiple isoforms or specific isoforms of the 5AR enzyme. The problem is that doing that is not an appropriate solution for hair loss because you need5AR expression for normal bodily function and these drugs cannot differentiate between 5AR in your hair follicles or your scalp vs your vascular tissues, digestive tissues, connective tissues, or even just a specific area of the body. Using these drugs is like using a nuclear weapon to kill one person in a large city of other benign people. You'll get the target your aiming for, but you'll also cause a lot of other carnage along the way.

We're at the genesis of an age of "smart" drugs and human genetic engineering that will solve most of these problems that tradition drugs can't fix. Traditional drugs lack the ability to have specificity for their targets. They affect whatever is in their path if the shoe fits... and for drugs that alter steroid receptor activation or steroid metabolism, they usually cause changes that negate the positive intended effects of the drug. If there were a drug that targeted 5AR with perfect specificity in the hair follicle, hair loss would no longer be a problem for most people, with the exception of those that still can't produce sufficient levels of intrafollicular estrogens.

When I first took finasteride (at the recommended dose of 1mg) it had a dramatic effect on my hair. It totally stopped falling out within 2-3 weeks and the diameter of my hair shaft became much thicker... like close to double the previous volume (it was thicker than it had ever been for me naturally). However, finasteride also made me feel horrible, but I continued using it anyway because I didn't think I had any other choice. Since finasteride is like that nuclear weapon I described, it didn't affect my endocrine system the positive ways that I wanted it to. It also caused my body to adjust to the unsafe environment caused by systemic 5AR inhibition throughout the body (your body really needs 5AR). The body's reflex to these enzymatic changes is to do whatever it takes to negate the damaging effects of finasteride. Finasteride will cause a sharp increase in systemic synthesis of estrogens and the body's recourse for this is to reduce steroid production and reduce aromatase and estrogen receptor expression... whatever it takes to lower estrogenic activity to lower levels. So, the net result of finasteride (lowered overall steroid synthesis) is worse than where you started to begin with.. before taking finasteride.

However, as I said, I continued to use finasteride because I didn't have the understanding of the pathology of hair loss that I currently have. I gradually became used to how shitty I felt. I became normal. When I changed my dietary and lifestyle habits and accelerated my body's ability to heal itself, I was able to realize just how awful the effects of finasteride can be. I became a completely different person when I recovered. I felt so damn good that, at this point, I would prefer being completely bald and feeling that way than to feel even just average with a full head of hair. Luckily, I don't think I have to compromise. I think I can have both once I've fully recovered from finasteride for the second time, which coming soon.

Finasteride use is simply not worth it. You trade your entire essence and holistic bodily health for marginally better hair (at least for most people that use it). Some can tolerate finasteride better than others because their genetic enzymology is different from others' and they're less systemically affected, but, I believe not only does it eventually catch up with them, finasteride is also less effective in people that don't experience as many side effects... and generally don't realize how it affects them because the change can be very gradual (again, depending on the person).

Ngl I take it everyday and my libido and perhaps some of my cognitive function is definitely hindered. I have an appointment with an endo in 2 weeks, going to rule out any other possibilities.

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Yeah, I'm taking it hoping I won't be in the small group of people (2%) who get persistent side effects.

xD

It's a hard choice: ( for me Personally)
either limit down what women you can get to the worst of the worst (which most people wouldn't accept)
Or risk getting neurosteroid effects/ permanent ED.

It's a gamble


The only other option (hair systems) is not financially viable for me at the moment.
If I earned 40K a year I would pick hair System instead

Does this theory of "The negatives of Finasteride will eventually catch up with you" have any proof or experiences behind it th

Ngl I take it everyday and my libido and perhaps some of my cognitive function is definitely hindered. I have an appointment with an endo in 2 weeks, going to rule out any other possibilities.

Doctors don’t know shit brother.
Don’t bother imo

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Read chemhead on hairlosstalk i copy pastad him

 

[normieschmormie]

Ngl I take it everyday and my libido and perhaps some of my cognitive function is definitely hindered. I have an appointment with an endo in 2 weeks, going to rule out any other possibilities.

To be honest as long as I have enough libido for occasional sex that will suit me.
My high libido is a more of a problem

Libido ties into motivation and behaviour though

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

To be honest as long as I have enough libido for occasional sex that will suit me.
My high libido is a more of a problem

Libido ties into motivation and behaviour though

Thats not how fin sides work
What happens instead is that your erection quality will be anywhere between 20-80% when you fuck

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Thats not how fin sides work
What happens instead is that your erection quality will be anywhere between 20-80% when you fuck

loving all those sources you link

 

[grimy]

To be honest as long as I have enough libido for occasional sex that will suit me.
My high libido is a more of a problem

Libido ties into motivation and behaviour though

You say this now. I used to get horny for NOTHING. Now I need to play with myself or legit have to be in foreplay with a girl. Erection also slightly softer.

 

[grimy]

xD


Doctors don’t know shit brother.
Don’t bother imo

I'm mainly doing it for the bloodwork. I'm almost positive I have a thyroid issue and I'm low OR low normal testosterone.

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

I'm mainly doing it for the bloodwork. I'm almost positive I have a thyroid issue and I'm low OR low normal testosterone.

unlikel if you are on fin and not a tranny yet
t is what keeps you above the water
if it was low you would know it

 

[beyourself]

I found Derek's videos (MPMD) helpful in establishing the picture of PFS and sides in general from taking finasteride.

You should have done blood tests ideally, but since you didn't, watch his videos to hopefully know what's coming to you, the guy is very educated on the matter (i.e. read more papers than most docs).

If I got him right while watching the vids on the toilet, he describes PFS as slightly fucked homeostasis of hormones and such, and says that sides come from disrepancy between hormonal state of a man with a potent dick and of that who's taking finasteride. As an example, low-Tcel may become impotent because his estrogen is through the roof, his DHT is suppressed and the T that is on its own now cannot provide his dick enough power.

 

[normieschmormie]

I found Derek's videos (MPMD) helpful in establishing the picture of PFS and sides in general from taking finasteride.

You should have done blood tests ideally, but since you didn't, watch his videos to hopefully know what's coming to you, the guy is very educated on the matter (i.e. read more papers than most docs).

If I got him right while watching the vids on the toilet, he describes PFS as slightly fucked homeostasis of hormones and such, and says that sides come from disrepancy between hormonal state of a man with a potent dick and of that who's taking finasteride. As an example, low-Tcel may become impotent because his estrogen is through the roof, his DHT is suppressed and the T that is on its own now cannot provide his dick enough power.

Yeah, i'm going to hop off and get baseline bloods at some point.
I've watched nearly all his Finasteride videos.

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

I found Derek's videos (MPMD) helpful in establishing the picture of PFS and sides in general from taking finasteride.

You should have done blood tests ideally, but since you didn't, watch his videos to hopefully know what's coming to you, the guy is very educated on the matter (i.e. read more papers than most docs).

If I got him right while watching the vids on the toilet, he describes PFS as slightly fucked homeostasis of hormones and such, and says that sides come from disrepancy between hormonal state of a man with a potent dick and of that who's taking finasteride. As an example, low-Tcel may become impotent because his estrogen is through the roof, his DHT is suppressed and the T that is on its own now cannot provide his dick enough power.

think its more about the brain and thus brain dick connection than the dick itself

 

[beyourself]

Ngl I take it everyday and my libido and perhaps some of my cognitive function is definitely hindered. I have an appointment with an endo in 2 weeks, going to rule out any other possibilities.

Since I assume most people know more about balding and fin, do you think TRT could help me out with libido lowering when I start taking the pills?

 

[MentalistKebab]

Based. Noone needs DHT in their system anyway

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

You say this now. I used to get horny for NOTHING. Now I need to play with myself or legit have to be in foreplay with a girl. Erection also slightly softer.

and you are a youngcel probably.
try fucking on finasteride when you are 30 and have taken it for 10 years xD

do you see that working out well?

and people wonder why rarely anyone stays on the drug. those people are exceptions really, and some of them just prioritize their hair and still have sides. Or became giga accustomed to them.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Based. Noone needs DHT in their system anyway

I'm not sure about that but even then 5ar isn't only responsible for dht

but letting yourself go bald is in most cases still a dumb move

fin isn't ideal but what is going bald?

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

I'm not sure about that but even then 5ar isn't only responsible for dht

but letting yourself go bald is in most cases still a dumb move

fin isn't ideal but what is going bald?

2021, and every option you have SUCKS. there is no other way to put it.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

and people wonder why rarely anyone stays on the drug. those people are exceptions really, and some of them just prioritize their hair and still have sides. Or became giga accustomed to them.

2021, and every option you have SUCKS. there is no other way to put it.

"I can't take fin so other people can't either"
"you all got sides you just don't notice them"

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

"I can't take fin so other people can't either"

you can. i just said balding sucks. fin sucks too. pick your poison. go to another thread if you want to cope lol. i just provide info i gathered

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

you can. i just said balding sucks. fin sucks too. pick your poison. go to another thread if you want to cope lol. i just provide info i gathered

where'd you gather the info

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Oral Steroid Made My Hair Grow Back Thicker!

Water going up into the hair shaft and making it thicker is an absolutely bonkers proposition. You're making too many generalizations, which is exactly why no one gets anywhere in the hair loss industry. Water making the hair shaft thicker is absolutely not bonkers unless you're also willing to...

www.hairlosstalk.com

chemhead in this whole thread

and this thread

Dealing with accutane hairloss (help) (suicidal)

I would agree with this but the problem is that I’ve run into a few people with accutane hair loss. And it’s the same thing, diffuse loss with curlier hair. Dry and different textured hair. And an inflamed scalp sometimes. Plus there’s not much family history of early balding. If it was really...

www.hairlosstalk.com

his posts fit my experience with fin. i have never read something as him. literally insane knowledge. and beyond that able to see through flaws in mainstream science.
HIGHLY recommend.
start with page 1 read first thread I linked then second

that being said at one point I also thought roddy had it figured out lol, so there is that
make your own conclusions

 

[Deleted member 9511]

Oral Steroid Made My Hair Grow Back Thicker!

Water going up into the hair shaft and making it thicker is an absolutely bonkers proposition. You're making too many generalizations, which is exactly why no one gets anywhere in the hair loss industry. Water making the hair shaft thicker is absolutely not bonkers unless you're also willing to...

www.hairlosstalk.com

chemhead in this whole thread

and this thread

Dealing with accutane hairloss (help) (suicidal)

I would agree with this but the problem is that I’ve run into a few people with accutane hair loss. And it’s the same thing, diffuse loss with curlier hair. Dry and different textured hair. And an inflamed scalp sometimes. Plus there’s not much family history of early balding. If it was really...

www.hairlosstalk.com

his posts fit my experience with fin. i have never read something as him. literally insane knowledge. and beyond that able to see through flaws in mainstream science.
HIGHLY recommend.
start with page 1 read first thread I linked then second

that being said at one point I also thought roddy had it figured out lol, so there is that
make your own conclusions

I’d like to see what chem heads treatment suggestion actually produces

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

I’d like to see what chem heads treatment suggestion actually produces

Honestly don’t think it will work in regrowing norwoods, but who knows. At least the change is drastic enough for it making sense that we have never heard of it regrowing hair.
I’m doing it for mental and energy atm and bc im bored and have literally nothing to do.
Still feeling great ngl. Basically I think I will reverse a good chunk of aging with this. Tradeoff is gymcel loss but i can get that back quickly when I stop