Trenbolone for dummies 101

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what is tren?
tren is an AAS, its very androgenic and very anabolic at the same time. Its a 19-nor and is also therefore progestenic

Why should i run tren?
First off tren is anti catabolism city, this is the main reason why people often microdose it (35-100mg) as the anti catabolic effect from tren is so prolific. The reason tren does this is its unique effect on the glucocorticoid receptor, and its effect is antagonization, so basically it blocks cortisol

it's also just super strong, both in terms of androgenicity and anabolism like previously mentioned, you can expect gains better than anything else while losing fat as it also is hypothetized to raise bmr which imo is very reasonable.

it makes you super dry and veiny, raises bpm(you should mitigate this), strongly increases epo, and dries you out by not aromitizing. Minimizing subcutaneous water and glycogen is also a common feature of androgenic compounds. I would also theorize myself that since tren interferes with oxytocin it should also interfere with vasopressin as they are super similar on all levels pretty much. Since vasopressin causes bloating less vasopressin should lower bloat, but at the end of the day im an uneducated, unemployed, not so high-iq kid so take that with a grain of salt

what are the downsides?

not hair or elastin safe in the slightest, this is pretty obvious since its so androgenic


rapes cardiovascular system, this is due to being very cns stimulating, rasing bp in other ways as well and being horrible on lipids

its pretty damaging to the kidneys due to raising epo

it has some pretty unique often quite severe mental sides like night sweats, mood swings, insomnia, very very extreme libido, worse bonding etc etc

it messes up neurotransmitters a lot, stop oxytocin like previously mentioned, lowers serotonin, raises dopamine levels and the gaba-glutamate ratio gets messed up as gaba decreases and glutamate rises

how do we deal with all these issues

essential ancillaries

use telmisartan/nevibiol or propranolol, id say imo dont use nevibiol as its slightly worse with tren than telmisartan as telmisartan is able to protect the kidneys even beyond the bp lowering, but it wouldn't be the end of the world to use nevibiol. Id say propranolol would also be a good option not for your heart or kidneys but for the mental part as propranolol can be more effective in helping anxiety which tren can sometimes trigger

cabergoline to avoid gyno and emotional volatility from progestin

rosuvastin for lipids, ezetimbe is also fine most of the time but id still say rosuvastin mogs

melatonin to avoid trensomnia


RU58841, this is possibly the most essential support compound, use morning and evening to avoid loss of elastin and hairloss

cialis, super good for your cardiovascular system

recommended but not essential ancillaries

aspirin for kidney support

nac as tren can be just a little bit toxic

mexidol to prevent damage since tren is cns stimulating and just triggers a lot of oxidative stress in the brain, mexidol acts as an anti oxidant and supports the mitochondria so they get to rest a bit

cerebrolysin to be terra-protected mentally, cortexin is also an option, its a bit better for emotional volatility and mood while cere mogs for neuroprotection while both helps in both aspects

vortioxetine, acts as a counterweight to tren’s serotonin modulation

optional support compounds

tudca, tudca and nac is probs not needed for tren but you do you

LIT-001, the best oxytocin receptor agonist on the market, could be used to offset tren’s effect on oxytocin, its low roi tho as its very expensive and not very reliable and tren’s specific mechanisms in this context doesnt seem to be well understood

Rb-101, this is a peptide that stops the breakdown of endorphins. It seems like from the effects on the neurotransmitters you should at least in theory get less endorphins or at the least that perceived effect. now the reason id say this is not an important ancillary is due to this not being confirmed but only theorized by me and rb-101 being hard and expensive to source, so low roi

Do i recommend it overall?
I think yes, its an amazing cutting compound for the reason listed above, it can be a bit tricky to run but it fucking gives results. You wont be dissapointed, just dont be a retard. As a rule of thumb its better to be safe than sorry, especially with tren

I wrote this very quickly so if ive missed something or wrote domething weird or wrong please let me know
 
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Do you personally run it?
 
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IV Glutathione over NAC.
Propranolol is best in any case for somebody on-cycle.
 
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woahhh, @Chad niggas made a guide on ur girlfriend
 
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tren is for cows mate
 
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Great thread. I have always said that if test is king, tren is dictator
 
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IV Glutathione over NAC.
Propranolol is best in any case for somebody on-cycle.
Sure its better i just dont think its necessary

Eh i think its pretty hard to get shit done on propanolol in my experince at least
 
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i take more than cows
How the fuck do you not have insomnia or is the fact that sleeping on tren is impossible is a myth?
 
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Sure its better i just dont think its necessary

Eh i think its pretty hard to get shit done on propanolol in my experince at least
Yes bro, we will all run beta blockers with a half life that will undeniably inhibit adrenergic signaling when it is necessary.
Yes bro, we will all take minimal precaution with an extremely hepatotoxic compound.
Yes bro, we will all be retarded.
 
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I have always said that if test is king, tren is dictator
the always in question is 3 days after seeing it on org @Chad @SlayerJonas
 
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the always in question is 3 days after seeing it on org @Chad @SlayerJonas
Me, chad and jonas have literally no idea who u are but whatever ig
 
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How the fuck do you not have insomnia or is the fact that sleeping on tren is impossible is a myth?
Everyone is different. Sides from Tren are much more tolerated when younger. Your side effect profile can be dependant/more amplified depending on the amount of Test you run with it. Low Test (TRT) and high Tren does reduce sides for most people but IMO it's only a valid approach when cutting. If bulking or recomping Test should be at least the same, if not higher than your Tren, which can amplify sides. I have no problem sleeping 7+ hours a night (it's 1:1 atm @ 500mgs). Have some minor night sweats, that's really it.
 
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rosuvastin for lipids, ezetimbe is also fine most of the time but id still say rosuvastin mogs
it's best to combine these, they work in a synergistic way

use telmisartan/nevibiol
why one or the other? can't you stack them?
don't telmisartan and nebivolol do different things, act in different ways?
nebivolol is a beta blocker, while telmisartan is a ARB inhibitor no?

OP do you have any experience stacking tren and deca? what do you think about it?
 
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it's best to combine these, they work in a synergistic way


why one or the other? can't you stack them?
don't telmisartan and nebivolol do different things, act in different ways?
nebivolol is a beta blocker, while telmisartan is a ARB inhibitor no?

OP do you have any experience stacking tren and deca? what do you think about it?
No i havent stscked tren and deca, pretty sure bitchwhipper does altough im not sure

You can you just dont really need to at the dosages most people here run as they are pretty low
 
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No i havent stscked tren and deca, pretty sure bitchwhipper does altough im not sure

You can you just dont really need to at the dosages most people here run as they are pretty low
well since tren can have significant anticatabolic effects even in extremly low doses, I would be interested in adding that in, especially while in deficit
and I don't quite deca when cutting you know, the ester is long, and fucking around with the dosages of aromatizing compounds fucking sucks every time
 
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Cool guide :feelsautistic:
 
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well since tren can have significant anticatabolic effects even in extremly low doses, I would be interested in adding that in, especially while in deficit
and I don't quite deca when cutting you know, the ester is long, and fucking around with the dosages of aromatizing compounds fucking sucks every time
I mean youre free to experiment all you like i just dont see the benefit in adding deca tbh
 
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Everyone is different. Sides from Tren are much more tolerated when younger. Your side effect profile can be dependant/more amplified depending on the amount of Test you run with it. Low Test (TRT) and high Tren does reduce sides for most people but IMO it's only a valid approach when cutting. If bulking or recomping Test should be at least the same, if not higher than your Tren, which can amplify sides. I have no problem sleeping 7+ hours a night (it's 1:1 atm @ 500mgs). Have some minor night sweats, that's really it.
What happens when someone does low tren and high test like am thinking of microdosing tren with 500mg test
 
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What happens when someone does low tren and high test like am thinking of microdosing tren with 500mg test
you get big like aleays ofc, you might be able to keep tren sides low depemds tho from person to person a bit tho
 
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How can i cope with the hairloss if i cant get RU in my country?
Just pray that i dont get hairloss?
 
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How can i cope with the hairloss if i cant get RU in my country?
Just pray that i dont get hairloss?
No, then dont run tren. Stick with test and dutasteride, eq as well if you want
 
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No, then dont run tren. Stick with test and dutasteride, eq as well if you want
What would be a good compound to recomp just like tren?Im on 300 test right now.Eq just takes too much to kick in i dont have time for that ngl
 
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What would be a good compound to recomp just like tren?Im on 300 test right now.Eq just takes too much to kick in i dont have time for that ngl
Nothing is just like tren, or even close in that regard. But you can frontload eq or use bold ace. You can maybe use some tbol and/or lgd
 
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Nothing is just like tren, or even close in that regard. But you can frontload eq or use bold ace. You can maybe use some tbol and/or lgd
Shit.I really want to try tren though like 50mg of ace/wk
You think its that bad for hair even on 50mgs/wk?Like maybe the dht blocker shampoo can save me:lul:
 
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Shit.I really want to try tren though like 50mg of ace/wk
You think its that bad for hair even on 50mgs/wk?Like maybe the dht blocker shampoo can save me:lul:
WHy cant you get ru58841?

You can also just order some metatyrapone and get similar anti catolic effects ans add on to your steroid
 
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WHy cant you get ru58841?

You can also just order some metatyrapone and get similar anti catolic effects ans add on to your steroid
I live in turkey and nothing can get through customs and i mean nothing,even a tshirt.

I guess i’ll just go with anything else tho if tren is %100 gonna fuck my hair
 
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I live in turkey and nothing can get through customs and i mean nothing,even a tshirt.

I guess i’ll just go with anything else tho if tren is %100 gonna fuck my hair
Its not 100%, 50mg is unlikely to do so, the dose makes the poidion but ofc tren is still tren, so do what you want but be wary
 
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Good read breh.

Just wish i could tolerate that shit above 30mg jfl
 
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Good read breh.

Just wish i could tolerate that shit above 30mg jfl
You can, im pretty sure it flips around and becomes side effect free at 500mg
 
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Good thread bhai, read it all and gonna bookmark it to remmeber for the future:Comfy:
 
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