Two reasons Jesus cannot be God logically

[yandex99]

1.if anything could be like God,who is a necessary being,he would be contigent as he or his divinity could have been another way.

this not only includes having a different peculiar consciousness or one seperate from his divine nature,thus composed of two natures,but also his nature could be connected to a different mode of existing(like different thoughts,actions and desires),thus it wouldn't be absolutely necessary but accidental.
Tawheed makes the most sense.

2.to posit that jesus is God would mean that a human that is by nature contigent can simultaneously be necessary.this is a contradiction in terms.

 

[MaghrebGator]

Doesn't matter. I quote them every day bible verses of the book itself saying it and they don't care.

Some of them (Not all) are at a stage in which they believe that Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) will side with the degenerate of Donald Trump during his second coming while he holds a US constitution or something.

It's not about logic or verses and was never about that. It's about deeply rooted psychological issues. These people wouldn't even really like Jesus if they saw him, a palestinian that prays while bowing to the ground, fasts, dress humbly... they would disown him. They want a Hulk Hogan and a Lil Wayne instead.

 

[yandex99]

Doesn't matter. I quote them every day bible verses of the book itself saying it and they don't care.

Some of them (Not all) are at a stage in which they believe that Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) will side with the degenerate of Donald Trump during his second coming while he holds a US constitution or something.

It's not about logic or verses and was never about that. It's about deeply rooted psychological issues. These people wouldn't even really like Jesus if they saw him, a palestinian that prays while bowing to the ground, fasts, dress humbly... they would disown him. They want a Hulk Hogan and a Lil Wayne instead.

it's just racism and ignorance towards Muslims and A'rabs(they conflate the two,but they also think muslims are those uncivilized 'brown people'over there).

 

[MaghrebGator]

it's just racism and ignorance towards Muslims and A'rabs(they conflate the two,but they also think muslims are those uncivilized 'brown people'over there).

I understand. Too much propaganda. There is a reason you barely see christians speaking about the Bible here yet there are a lot of threads againsr Islam.

Sometimes i think how the heck someone can believe the US is a free democracy or how can there be always a minority that supports Israel for example, but then i watch a CNN-NBC livestream and read reddit and i understand how many of them are this dumb if they live in that panorama.

I don't even know if to say it's their fault or not.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

1.if anything could be like God,who is a necessary being,he would be contigent as he or his divinity could have been another way.

Jesus has two natures, his human nature and his divine nature, his divine nature is always the same. Jesus could have been a dove instead of a human but his divine nature is still the same.

You misunderstanding Christianity

2.to posit that jesus is God would mean that a human that is by nature contigent can simultaneously be necessary.this is a contradiction in terms.

This is just a round about way of the typical Muslim objection “so Mary created God?”

Nobody thinks that Jesus human nature isn’t contingent Jesus’s divine nature is what’s not contingent

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

Jesus has two natures, his human nature and his divine nature, his divine nature is always the same. Jesus could have been a dove instead of a human but his divine nature is still the same.

The your misunderstanding Christianity



This is just a round about way of the typical Muslim objection “so Mary created God?”

Nobody thinks that Jesus human nature isn’t contingent Jesus’s divine nature is what’s not contingent

The minds of these Muslim dudes making arguments like this really fail to capture any nuance

 

[yandex99]

Jesus has two natures, his human nature and his divine nature, his divine nature is always the same. Jesus could have been a dove instead of a human but his divine nature is still the same.

You misunderstanding Christianity



This is just a round about way of the typical Muslim objection “so Mary created God?”

Nobody thinks that Jesus human nature isn’t contingent Jesus’s divine nature is what’s not contingent

you're implying nestorianism now.it's either nestorianism or tawheed.unconditioned existance cannot acquire contigent traits,so the natures must be entirely seperate so it's nestorianism.there are 2 persons in christ.

furthermore,if your God is in motion like the bible depicts him as,even without humanity,he is a composite of actuality and potentiality and is not the unconditioned reality or necessary being.there cannot be more than one necessary being anyway because they would be composites of shared and peculiar natures.thus the entire trinity is contigent.

 

[yandex99]

The minds of these Muslim dudes making arguments like this really fail to capture any nuance

so the unconditioned can acquire conditioned traits?christian theologians have no clue what they're talking about,only neoplatonism makes sense and sufism and twelver shiasm are neoplatonic.

 

[yandex99]

lol the christians sound so dumb in this thread,this is the result of adherance to dogma over logic.

 

[yandex99]

if one aspect of God is permanent(his essence)and thus unchanging and not impermanent,how could the permanent cause the impermanent aspects?how can they be related?the divine must be impassible.

the God of the bible is not impassible so he cannot be divine or permanent.

the same goes for the God of the salafis,maturidis and a'sharis.

 

[Central Cee]

so because your human brain can't comprehend transubstantiation it can't be true

retard logic

 

[yandex99]

so because your human brain can't comprehend transubstantiation it can't be true

retard logic

can the unconditioned be passable and acquire accidental traits?if yes,then that goes against it being necessary by nature,and if not then there is only nestorianism left.but even the God of the nestorians is passable and is thus not ultimate reality.

 

[yandex99]

so because your human brain can't comprehend transubstantiation it can't be true

retard logic

the divine is coherent thus possible to understand by reason.this is just a christian cop out.to say something contradictorary is only seemingly so because of the limitations of the human mind?this amounts to'just believe this book full of errors because it says its proclaiming truth'with no evidence.there is no evidence for xtianity,au contraire logical and textual proofs against it,but you guys just believe it because some jewish fanatics came up with eternal hell.and you're scared lol

the God of the bible and the God of the salafis,maturidis and asharis is just a contigent being.

 

[Central Cee]

can the unconditioned be passable and acquire accidental traits?if yes,then that goes against it being necessary by nature,and if not then there is only nestorianism left.but even the God of the nestorians is passable and is thus not ultimate reality.

nestorian was a retard.

 

[yandex99]

nestorian was a retard.

he was the only christian that made somewhat sense.

 

[yandex99]

nestorian was a retard.

explain 'why'?ill be happy to destroy your jew on a stick.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

furthermore,if your God is in motion like the bible depicts him as,

Where does the Bible depict a change in God? That never happens? The Bible says explicitly God doesn’t change

you're implying nestorianism now.

That’s not what nestorianism is, nestorianism is the idea that there are two separate persons, this is different from the idea of Christ’s dual nature as I said before. Jesus isn’t made of two persons one divine and one human but is instead he has two natures one divine and one human unified in the body of Christ.

there are 2 persons in christ.

That doesn’t follow its two natures in one person

there cannot be more than one necessary being anyway because they would be composites of shared and peculiar natures.thus the entire trinity is contigent.

The father, son and spirit aren’t separate entities

 

[Deleted member 51576]

stfu.

Jesus is God. He is 100% man and 100% God. He is fully man and fully divine.

Deal with it niggas

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

how could the permanent cause the impermanent aspects?how can they be related?the divine must be impassible.

Christs divine nature isn’t changing, Christ has two natures unified in one person. Christs divine nature isn’t changed

 

[NEOKAISER]

dont give a fuck

 

[yandex99]

Where does the Bible depict a change in God? That never happens? The Bible says explicitly God doesn’t change

for one he created the world when it wasn't there.two he speaks to people.three he sent down his 'son'.four he has emotions.

That’s not what nestorianism is, nestorianism is the idea that there are two separate persons, this is different from the idea of Christ’s dual nature as I said before. Jesus isn’t made of two persons one divine and one human but is instead he has two natures one divine and one human unified in the body of Christ.

two essences that are seperate imply two persons

That doesn’t follow its two natures in one person

The father, son and spirit aren’t separate entities so youre a catholic modalist that believes in tawheed but claims that God still has actuality AND potential potentiality despite being simple?God,you christians are all so stupid.

 

[yandex99]

Christs divine nature isn’t changing, Christ has two natures unified in one person. Christs divine nature isn’t changed

he is in motion thus is changing.

God must be impassible.

the God of the christians also has two opposing natures 'in one person'which means its either bullocks or nestorianism is true and theyre different people.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

he is in motion thus is changing.

God must be impassible.

the God of the christians also has two opposing natures 'in one person'which means its either bullocks or nestorianism is true and theyre different people.

His human nature does not contradict His divine nature and make it contingent. They’re not opposing, they exist fully and at the same time.

Can you niggas stop trying to put parameters on what God can and can’t be? Thank you in advance

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

he is in motion thus is changing.

This is just a statement? There’s no change in christs divinity happening what exactly is changing?

the God of the christians also has two opposing natures 'in one person'which means its either bullocks or nestorianism is true and theyre different people.

This is a leap in logic this doesn’t imply nestorianism at all just that he has two natures, you realize you have two natures as well? One material nature and an eternal soul but you aren’t two different persons.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Jfl at your formatting

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Muslimcels finna get rekt by the final crusades.

“But but ser, tawheed, ser God can’t become human ser—

Incoming air strike— “

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

he is in motion thus is changing.

God must be impassible.

the God of the christians also has two opposing natures 'in one person'which means its either bullocks or nestorianism is true and theyre different people.

Allah created the world when it wasn’t there, an act is separate from its essence an act doesn’t imply a change in God. God himself is non contingent but the effects are contingent on God

Same thing for him sending down his son

Allah is described as having emotions as well you realize that right?

God having emotions doesn’t imply a change in his essence rather he has emotions because of his essence.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Over for pea brained monkey cavemen who read the Bible as anything other than analogous/Instructual.

It is a historical fiction which had great importance in society, and laid the groundwork for every story following it.

But it is fiction you know.

There are as many books within the Bible as the there so all the many facets of sin can be addressed, and the analogy of their consequences takes the form of great floods and mass killings and various divine interventions. But those interventions aren't definable as divine in real history.

The christian Bible wanted blood sacrices for our sins, he killed the infant children and animals of his nonbelievers, non just the men and women.

He's not perfect. That isnt our God. But it's a DAMN GOOD BOOK. And its worth taking seriously.

I believe God created the third dimension so it could experience all reality all at once, the only way God could be perfect is if he is us, because that would be the only justification for the kids epstein raped and the starving babies.


He's not responsible for our suffering if he is one the system itself, he is everybody.

the story of Jesus is the ultimate analogy of this. It is fiction, but its true.

This perfect analogy makes me believe the Bible is something more than a man made book, but the God depicted in it is so far from perfect, it is ridiculous to read it is as nonfiction history

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Two separate essences don’t imply two separate persons otherwise you’d be two people instead of one since you have a physical essence and a spiritual essence. And I’m indeed right as all you could do is provide a statement instead of any proof as to why someone can’t have two essences

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Over for pea brained monkey cavemen who read the Bible as anything other than analogous/Instructual.

It is a historical fiction which had great importance in society, and laid the groundwork for every story following it.

But it is fiction you know.

There are as many books within the Bible as the there so all the many facets of sin can be addressed, and the analogy of their consequences takes the form of great floods and mass killings and various divine interventions. But those interventions aren't definable as divine in real history.

The christian Bible wanted blood sacrices for our sins, he killed the infant children and animals of his nonbelievers, non just the men and women.

He's not perfect. That isnt our God. But it's a DAMN GOOD BOOK.

I believe God created the third dimension so it could experience all reality all at once, the only way God could be perfect is if he is us, because that would be the only justification for the kids epstein raped and the starving babies.


He's not responsible for our suffering if he is one the system itself, he is everybody.

the story of Jesus is the ultimate analogy of this. It is fiction, but its true.

This perfect analogy makes me believe the Bible is something more than a man made book, but the God depicted in it is so far from perfect, it is ridiculous to read it is as nonfiction history

Fuck right off you peasant pleb.

The historicity of Jesus’ existence, the crucifixion, the empty tomb are all well established. The Bible describes the time that God came to reveal Himself to humanity in the form of Jesus Christ.

He will come again and smite all of you disbelieving serfs. He won’t come as a suffering servant like the first time. Rather, He will come to bring harsh judgement on the world—even muslimcels agree with this eschatology!

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

The other thing you said is just an adhominem

 

[yandex99]

This is just a statement? There’s no change in christs divinity happening what exactly is changing?



This is a leap in logic this doesn’t imply nestorianism at all just that he has two natures, you realize you have two natures as well? One material nature and an eternal soul but you aren’t two different persons.

my two natures are both contigent and limited.

 

[yandex99]

Two separate essences don’t imply two separate persons otherwise you’d be two people instead of one since you have a physical essence and a spiritual essence. And I’m indeed right as all you could do is provide a statement instead of any proof as to why someone can’t have two essences

two opposing ones do.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Jesus is God

Muhammad is a 54 year old pedophile who married a 6 year old child and Allah is a cuck! Muhammad is burning in hell alongside his pagan parents—so too will every Muslimcel who dies a disbeliever of Jesus.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

my two natures are both contigent and limited.

Whether there contingent and limited is irrelevant the question is whether something can have two natures in one person at all.

Contingency only comes into play if I were to says Jesus’s divine nature was changing some how. It’s not as I’ve said multiple times.

What I’m saying is Jesus has two natures one divine and one human

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

two opposing ones do.

What’s the opposite of physical? Non physical. You have a non physical and physical nature and thus you are actually two separate persons

 

[yandex99]

What’s the opposite of physical? Non physical. You have a non physical and physical nature and thus you are actually two separate persons

only God is non physical and the divine intellects.the soul is ether element.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

only God is non physical and the divine intellects.the soul is ether element.

so your saying souls are made of matter or energy?

 

[Mosh12]

Jesus was a Roman myth.

Case closed!

 

[yandex99]

so your saying souls are made of matter or energy?

ether is a subtle form of matter,as is worldly energy.

 

[yandex99]

Jesus was a Roman myth.

Case closed!

this is disinfo.

this is more accurate

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

ether is a subtle form of matter,as is worldly energy.

Is this “ether” ever mentioned in any Islamic texts?

 

[yandex99]

Is this “ether” ever mentioned in any Islamic texts?

I'm a neoplatonist first and foremost.it's probabely mentioned in ibn arabi or mulla sadra though.

 

[yandex99]

Is this “ether” ever mentioned in any Islamic texts?

matter is just condensed consciousness anyway,ether is alive and the precursor to all other elements.anything acting,by merely existing,is a actor,and there can be no inert actor.

everything is alive.

 

[Researcher of Incel]

1.if anything could be like God,who is a necessary being,he would be contigent as he or his divinity could have been another way.

this not only includes having a different peculiar consciousness or one seperate from his divine nature,thus composed of two natures,but also his nature could be connected to a different mode of existing(like different thoughts,actions and desires),thus it wouldn't be absolutely necessary but accidental.
Tawheed makes the most sense.

2.to posit that jesus is God would mean that a human that is by nature contigent can simultaneously be necessary.this is a contradiction in terms.

Jesus was incarnated as a man you moron before that he existed alongside god as part of the trinity

That’s why he says “before Abraham was born I am” exposing his eternal nature as part of the trinity godhead.

Pathetic from you mate at least understand what your criticizing lol