Veteran looksmaxxer of 7+ years. This forum is cope.

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first let me give a bit of background. I have been a part of the psl community since 2017. I have seen it all. Heard every theory. Believed most of them. Tried a large number of looksmaxxes. Even attempted to create my own. Now i look back and realise it was all a load of copium. I will break down each looksmax and provide reasonings for why each is cope. I’m not gonna cover shit that has been around forever like derma related stuff im gonna focus only on the big “innovations” to come out of looksmaxxing.

Heightmaxxing: there is no clinical study that can ever prove that healthy people can benefit from hgh or having their growth plates close late. There are only studies that are performed on children that were extreme manlet outliers that caught up to average or below average height never exceeding it. It’s retarded to think that u can disrupt the meticulous balancing act that your body puts into making sure u dont come out deformed. Even worse there is a large number of people that believe something u can dose orally or have injected into muscle can do this. Don’t believe this u will end up with diabetes one day. I havent heard a single person who heightmaxxed gaining anything more than 1cm which could easily be narrowed down to measuring incorrectly or other activities to grow taller like stretching at the same time. Note that someone who is motivated enough to take hgh will definitely be doing a whole bunch of things at the same time and cannot realistically claim the hgh did anything.

Mewing: there is no benefit to having a wider palate or more forward growth for most people. If your teeth fit in your mouth you have developed normally and any extra expansion will just cause ur cheekbones to flare inwards. There is zero benefit from forward growth for front profile as well. Any djs surgery before and after u see should be taken with a grain of salt as sliding genio + rhinoplasty is usually done at the same time. Now to state the apparently not so obvious u cannot remodel bone with just a tiny muscle pushing against it. At best mewing simply causes the teeth to grow outwards and align with the jaw bone. This does actually provide improvements to facial ratios in people who have fucked up teeth. But if you’re normal your teeth already grew before u were aware of looksmaxxing and unless had bad habits like thumb sucking most likely u ended up normal. This is why veneers can actually improve some people with malocclusions as it changes their resting bite and can relieve some muscle tensions that contribute to things such as jowls.

Lefort: same as above. Sliding genio is the single biggest contribution to side profile improvements following a lefort but will not provide benefits for any other angle. Unless u have 0 chin u most likely will not benefit from a sliding genio and unless ur actually deformed then lefort wont do anything big for u

So realistically what does work? The things that surgeons have known to work for decades:

Implants
Fillers

Basically anything where ur placing something under skin and muscle with the purpose of adding fullness to soft tissue. That’s all. If you have 0 deformities this is the most u can get out of looksmaxxing.
 
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BUT SAAR HAMZA AHMED SAID MEWING MAKES YOU CHAD
 
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Serious Forget mewing. Introducing Johnning.​




Mewing emphasizes putting the teeth together and creating a lip seal but let's talk about why this isn't favorable.

1596597126136

Firstly: The mandible is not exposed to any pressure at all. This is purely for moving the maxilla which, is unlikely to move due to reason 2.

Secondly: This makes getting the posterior third of the tongue up and generating enough force to actually move bone extremely difficult.


So what is johnning? (pronounced jaw-ning) (jaw + yawning)

As inventor of this technique i take full liberty to name it after myself. Low T otherwise.
And if any of u fucks try to rename it, it'll be the last of my knowledge I donate to this forum.


Johnning is more so about simulation than posture. You are simulating the correct way for the lower jaw to open. This is necessary because most people do not open their jaws correctly due to the lower palate not being wide enough to accommodate this and coming into conflict with the neck.

Johnning has 3 components to it:
1. Chin Tucking
2. Opening lower jaw as wide as possible (down and back. push into ur mandible with ur hand until u can't push anymore) while still in a chin tuck
3. Pushing with the back of the tongue up (although if the first 2 are done correctly the third should come naturally)


What does this look like?
1596597692413

Something like this but with a greater degree of chin tuck. Notice how the tip of the tongue isn't up but the back is? That's what you're aiming for.

When done correctly u will notice:
1. A sensation in your lower jaw like it is being pried open.
2. Extreme pressure on ur palate due to the back third of the tongue automatically pushing against the palate.


Disclaimer: I am not proposing this as a replacement to mewing but rather a supplement to it. As it's impossible to constantly have your jaw wide open.
 
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also with your 7 years of brainrotting did you atleast ascend or nah
 
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Serious Forget mewing. Introducing Johnning.​




Mewing emphasizes putting the teeth together and creating a lip seal but let's talk about why this isn't favorable.

1596597126136

Firstly: The mandible is not exposed to any pressure at all. This is purely for moving the maxilla which, is unlikely to move due to reason 2.

Secondly: This makes getting the posterior third of the tongue up and generating enough force to actually move bone extremely difficult.


So what is johnning? (pronounced jaw-ning) (jaw + yawning)

As inventor of this technique i take full liberty to name it after myself. Low T otherwise.
And if any of u fucks try to rename it, it'll be the last of my knowledge I donate to this forum.


Johnning is more so about simulation than posture. You are simulating the correct way for the lower jaw to open. This is necessary because most people do not open their jaws correctly due to the lower palate not being wide enough to accommodate this and coming into conflict with the neck.

Johnning has 3 components to it:
1. Chin Tucking
2. Opening lower jaw as wide as possible (down and back. push into ur mandible with ur hand until u can't push anymore) while still in a chin tuck
3. Pushing with the back of the tongue up (although if the first 2 are done correctly the third should come naturally)


What does this look like?
1596597692413

Something like this but with a greater degree of chin tuck. Notice how the tip of the tongue isn't up but the back is? That's what you're aiming for.

When done correctly u will notice:
1. A sensation in your lower jaw like it is being pried open.
2. Extreme pressure on ur palate due to the back third of the tongue automatically pushing against the palate.


Disclaimer: I am not proposing this as a replacement to mewing but rather a supplement to it. As it's impossible to constantly have your jaw wide open.
Yeah this was cope. I have made a thread on it already.
 
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also with your 7 years of brainrotting did you atleast ascend or nah
No. i should have just gotten fillers and bogged myself after. I wasted my youth.
 
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2017 isn't even that early. I been on PSL since 2014 and on bodybuilding misc since 2012
 
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can you rewrite this thread with less words please and thank you?
 
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Eh idk, I trust jawhacks on yt more than some greycel but for the other shit ur spot on
 
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Leanmaxxing = 70% of looksmaxxing tbh
 
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Eh idk, I trust jawhacks on yt more than some greycel but for the other shit ur spot on
Jawhacks is retarded. He took palate expanding too far and ended up looking deformed with insane tooth spacing and then relied on classic orthodontic treatment to correct it. In the end he’s back to where he started.
 
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Jawhacks is retarded. He took palate expanding too far and ended up looking deformed with insane tooth spacing and then relied on classic orthodontic treatment to correct it. In the end he’s back to where he started.
Maybe so, so instead of expanding my palate I should just get mouth widening, lateral commisoroscopy ?
 
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send this to the millions of heightmaxxing threads
 
Maybe so, so instead of expanding my palate I should just get mouth widening, lateral commisoroscopy ?
i have no idea if mouth widening surgery is the solution to your problems. If ur teeth fit already then dont palate expand.
 
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Roids for body, hair transplants, fat grafts under eyes work too. orbital implants, and zygo implants are more obscure but I’ve seen good results with them too. They’re still implants like you said though.
 
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i have no idea if mouth widening surgery is the solution to your problems. If ur teeth fit already then dont palate expand.
My palate is giga narrow tho, I’ve got a 6 tooth subhuman smile
 
My palate is giga narrow tho, I’ve got a 6 tooth subhuman smile
If ur bite is normal and u dont need extractions there is nothing u will gain from palate expansion.
 
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If ur bite is normal and u dont need extractions there is nothing u will gain from palate expansion.
Damn, fuck I was really hoping it would be like a “compound surgery” where it helps with a bunch of smaller things all at once
 
only tiktok newfags would believe someone with '7 years in this forum' is some grand looksmaxxer sage when in reality hes just a brainrotten subhuman loser that doesnt know anything and should slit his throt asap
 
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jfl at u
ur tried looksmaxxes are probably applying retinol from the ordinary for 1 month and it doesnt work in fixing the subhuman monster that u are

ure obviously a clueless joke
 
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Serious Forget mewing. Introducing Johnning.​




Mewing emphasizes putting the teeth together and creating a lip seal but let's talk about why this isn't favorable.

1596597126136

Firstly: The mandible is not exposed to any pressure at all. This is purely for moving the maxilla which, is unlikely to move due to reason 2.

Secondly: This makes getting the posterior third of the tongue up and generating enough force to actually move bone extremely difficult.


So what is johnning? (pronounced jaw-ning) (jaw + yawning)

As inventor of this technique i take full liberty to name it after myself. Low T otherwise.
And if any of u fucks try to rename it, it'll be the last of my knowledge I donate to this forum.


Johnning is more so about simulation than posture. You are simulating the correct way for the lower jaw to open. This is necessary because most people do not open their jaws correctly due to the lower palate not being wide enough to accommodate this and coming into conflict with the neck.

Johnning has 3 components to it:
1. Chin Tucking
2. Opening lower jaw as wide as possible (down and back. push into ur mandible with ur hand until u can't push anymore) while still in a chin tuck
3. Pushing with the back of the tongue up (although if the first 2 are done correctly the third should come naturally)


What does this look like?
1596597692413

Something like this but with a greater degree of chin tuck. Notice how the tip of the tongue isn't up but the back is? That's what you're aiming for.

When done correctly u will notice:
1. A sensation in your lower jaw like it is being pried open.
2. Extreme pressure on ur palate due to the back third of the tongue automatically pushing against the palate.


Disclaimer: I am not proposing this as a replacement to mewing but rather a supplement to it. As it's impossible to constantly have your jaw wide open.
What about gymcelling ? has it made ur sex life/ dating life better by much ? or almost no neglible difference
 
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only tiktok newfags would believe someone with '7 years in this forum' is some grand looksmaxxer sage when in reality hes just a brainrotten subhuman loser that doesnt know anything and should slit his throt asap
I have seen this exact post before he copy pasted it
 
first let me give a bit of background. I have been a part of the psl community since 2017. I have seen it all. Heard every theory. Believed most of them. Tried a large number of looksmaxxes. Even attempted to create my own. Now i look back and realise it was all a load of copium. I will break down each looksmax and provide reasonings for why each is cope. I’m not gonna cover shit that has been around forever like derma related stuff im gonna focus only on the big “innovations” to come out of looksmaxxing.

Heightmaxxing: there is no clinical study that can ever prove that healthy people can benefit from hgh or having their growth plates close late. There are only studies that are performed on children that were extreme manlet outliers that caught up to average or below average height never exceeding it. It’s retarded to think that u can disrupt the meticulous balancing act that your body puts into making sure u dont come out deformed. Even worse there is a large number of people that believe something u can dose orally or have injected into muscle can do this. Don’t believe this u will end up with diabetes one day. I havent heard a single person who heightmaxxed gaining anything more than 1cm which could easily be narrowed down to measuring incorrectly or other activities to grow taller like stretching at the same time. Note that someone who is motivated enough to take hgh will definitely be doing a whole bunch of things at the same time and cannot realistically claim the hgh did anything.

Mewing: there is no benefit to having a wider palate or more forward growth for most people. If your teeth fit in your mouth you have developed normally and any extra expansion will just cause ur cheekbones to flare inwards. There is zero benefit from forward growth for front profile as well. Any djs surgery before and after u see should be taken with a grain of salt as sliding genio + rhinoplasty is usually done at the same time. Now to state the apparently not so obvious u cannot remodel bone with just a tiny muscle pushing against it. At best mewing simply causes the teeth to grow outwards and align with the jaw bone. This does actually provide improvements to facial ratios in people who have fucked up teeth. But if you’re normal your teeth already grew before u were aware of looksmaxxing and unless had bad habits like thumb sucking most likely u ended up normal. This is why veneers can actually improve some people with malocclusions as it changes their resting bite and can relieve some muscle tensions that contribute to things such as jowls.

Lefort: same as above. Sliding genio is the single biggest contribution to side profile improvements following a lefort but will not provide benefits for any other angle. Unless u have 0 chin u most likely will not benefit from a sliding genio and unless ur actually deformed then lefort wont do anything big for u

So realistically what does work? The things that surgeons have known to work for decades:

Implants
Fillers

Basically anything where ur placing something under skin and muscle with the purpose of adding fullness to soft tissue. That’s all. If you have 0 deformities this is the most u can get out of looksmaxxing.
bump
 
Wrong, you did you even gua sha bro?
 
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I'm not sure, I've had pretty decent results so far even though I started only a few months ago

Not everyone can ascend ig
 
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first let me give a bit of background. I have been a part of the psl community since 2017. I have seen it all. Heard every theory. Believed most of them. Tried a large number of looksmaxxes. Even attempted to create my own. Now i look back and realise it was all a load of copium. I will break down each looksmax and provide reasonings for why each is cope. I’m not gonna cover shit that has been around forever like derma related stuff im gonna focus only on the big “innovations” to come out of looksmaxxing.

Heightmaxxing: there is no clinical study that can ever prove that healthy people can benefit from hgh or having their growth plates close late. There are only studies that are performed on children that were extreme manlet outliers that caught up to average or below average height never exceeding it. It’s retarded to think that u can disrupt the meticulous balancing act that your body puts into making sure u dont come out deformed. Even worse there is a large number of people that believe something u can dose orally or have injected into muscle can do this. Don’t believe this u will end up with diabetes one day. I havent heard a single person who heightmaxxed gaining anything more than 1cm which could easily be narrowed down to measuring incorrectly or other activities to grow taller like stretching at the same time. Note that someone who is motivated enough to take hgh will definitely be doing a whole bunch of things at the same time and cannot realistically claim the hgh did anything.

Mewing: there is no benefit to having a wider palate or more forward growth for most people. If your teeth fit in your mouth you have developed normally and any extra expansion will just cause ur cheekbones to flare inwards. There is zero benefit from forward growth for front profile as well. Any djs surgery before and after u see should be taken with a grain of salt as sliding genio + rhinoplasty is usually done at the same time. Now to state the apparently not so obvious u cannot remodel bone with just a tiny muscle pushing against it. At best mewing simply causes the teeth to grow outwards and align with the jaw bone. This does actually provide improvements to facial ratios in people who have fucked up teeth. But if you’re normal your teeth already grew before u were aware of looksmaxxing and unless had bad habits like thumb sucking most likely u ended up normal. This is why veneers can actually improve some people with malocclusions as it changes their resting bite and can relieve some muscle tensions that contribute to things such as jowls.

Lefort: same as above. Sliding genio is the single biggest contribution to side profile improvements following a lefort but will not provide benefits for any other angle. Unless u have 0 chin u most likely will not benefit from a sliding genio and unless ur actually deformed then lefort wont do anything big for u

So realistically what does work? The things that surgeons have known to work for decades:

Implants
Fillers

Basically anything where ur placing something under skin and muscle with the purpose of adding fullness to soft tissue. That’s all. If you have 0 deformities this is the most u can get out of looksmaxxing.
hardmaxxing is the only thing that works
 
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this guy has a crab in the bucket mentality dont listen to him.
 
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Why’s ur pfp salludon, the mewing coper then?
obv hes gonna cope to the tiktokcells

so they dont actually become looksmaxxers
 
, fat grafts under eyes work too. orbital implants, and zygo implants are more obscure but I’ve seen good results with them too. They’re still implants like you said though.
I just looked at like 30 pics of all these and I cudnt tell a difference between any of the befores and afters:feelskek:. A few were like "I thinkkkk there might be something different" but then I noticed the lighting and facial posture is also different :feelskek:
 
I'm not sure, I've had pretty decent results so far even though I started only a few months ago

Not everyone can ascend ig
U feeling better isn't ascension lmao. P in V with higher quality girls than before the surgery is all that matters
 
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obv hes gonna cope to the tiktokcells

so they dont actually become looksmaxxers
Tbfh ALL HE DID WAS JUST LEANMAX, GREW HIS MASSETER (the masseter part is soo obvious), then genioplasty. His eye area is the same he just gigasquints. But fair play to Saladman. Fair play.

Mewing is only helpful when the person is an active mouthbreather and young. There’s this kid who comes to boxing w me, he’s 14-15. He has a shit recessed jaw while his dad has a normal jaw… and the thing I noticed was… that nigga 24/7 mouth breathes. Should I save him or not? He’s still young so he has time
 
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Tbfh ALL HE DID WAS JUST LEANMAX, GREW HIS MASSETER (the masseter part is soo obvious), then genioplasty. His eye area is the same he just gigasquints. But fair play to Saladman. Fair play.

Mewing is only helpful when the person is an active mouthbreather and young. There’s this kid who comes to boxing w me, he’s 14-15. He has a shit recessed jaw while his dad has a normal jaw… and the thing I noticed was… that nigga 24/7 mouth breathes. Should I save him or not? He’s still young so he has time
depends if youre friends with him

i would only save people who are friends with me so when im with them it helps a bit with smv
 
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Stick to softmaxxing and get everything perfect. Patrick Bateman style. If you still have rough skin or get breakouts once a week your not doing enough.
 
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depends if youre friends with him

i would only save people who are friends with me so when im with them it helps a bit with smv
Im not very close to him, just more like we both are kind to each other and spar sometimes. Like I did save my best friend from not buying hard chewing gum since his jaw was already wide and he’d look like a minecraft dirtblock.. should I save the recessed guy tho.. i’ll think abt it when I see him
 
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Stick to softmaxxing and get everything perfect. Patrick Bateman style. If you still have rough skin or get breakouts once a week your not doing enough.
Who’s the guy in ur pfp?
 
Im not very close to him, just more like we both are kind to each other and spar sometimes. Like I did save my best friend from not buying hard chewing gum since his jaw was already wide and he’d look like a minecraft dirtblock.. should I save the recessed guy tho.. i’ll think abt it when I see him
yea save him and become his friend
 
yea save him and become his friend
Idk about becoming his friend but sure I’ll tell him today. Its brutal tier to have that jaw, dont even wish that upon my worst enemies
 
Idk about becoming his friend but sure I’ll tell him today. Its brutal tier to have that jaw, dont even wish that upon my worst enemies
do you think its worse to have shit orbitals or a bad jaw in martial arts
 
do you think its worse to have shit orbitals or a bad jaw in martial arts
after boxing for 2 years now, I got to say none of this stuff, talent (facial bones for protection against blows, height/reach, fast twitch muscles) matter when your skills are in the toilet. They do matter, but when yoy got good skills, you can mog anybody in the ring. Check Usyk, genetically inferior to Tyson Fury but oblierated him.

Yesterday I sparred w a guy who was 6’3 barefoot, and chad face. He was pretty good but I knew what to do to counter him.

Thats why I like boxing/combat sports. It’s not like basketball or football whete talent is required. If you got shit genetics (GGG bad muscle building genetics framecel and recessed face), you can still be awesome at the sport
 
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after boxing for 2 years now, I got to say none of this stuff, talent (facial bones for protection against blows, height/reach, fast twitch muscles) matter when your skills are in the toilet. They do matter, but when yoy got good skills, you can mog anybody in the ring. Check Usyk, genetically inferior to Tyson Fury but oblierated him.

Yesterday I sparred w a guy who was 6’3 barefoot, and chad face. He was pretty good but I knew what to do to counter him.

Thats why I like boxing/combat sports. It’s not like basketball or football whete talent is required. If you got shit genetics (GGG bad muscle building genetics framecel and recessed face), you can still be awesome at the sport
for ggg it doesnt matter cause he literally has the best chin in the sport lol nigga takes shots like hes lana rhodes
 
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